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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.02.15 14:26:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:As everyone knows, 1.8 will bring major infantry changes. I won't go into the various arguments here, but just want to gauge the CPM and CPM1 candidates' views regarding an infantry respec/SP refund. The main options are:
1. All SP in dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrades, and weaponry trees refunded.
2. All SP in dropsuit command and dropsuit upgrades trees refunded.
3. All SP in dropsuit command and weaponry trees refunded.
4. All SP in dropsuit command tree refunded.
5. No SP refunded.
6. Other (specify).
I encourage CPM and CPM1 candidates to state their preferred option. If you like you can also provide supporting reasons. 4: the large amount of changes to all suits, plus the introduction of all racial suits means that a respec in this tree is needed However, the weapons and dropsuit skills are barely being changed at all apart from new content, i feel that a respec here is not needed, as the changes in 1.8 are pretty much non existant
The weapons might not be changed much but the racial bonuses to the suits means that there are advantages to having the same racial suit and weapon. I am for (1) because it will help lower SP players to focus their skills on the suit and weapon that benefit them the most.
However, I am for this being the last SP refund that CCP gives players. We will have all the racial suits now and there should be no need for this later on unless there is massive shift to the game. From here on out, there should only be specific SP refunds for specific skills that get removed or their multiplier changed.
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:06:00 -
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The main issue is CCP's silence when it comes to these things and their limited interaction in balance.
People feel that they can make these demands because CCP has not been firm on their stance. And, people wouldnt feel that they need to ask if they were not so worried about massive shifts to their favorite weapons.
Personally, I like weapons such as the TAC AR/SCR because they have a more feel of skill to them with lining up shots etc rather than mashing the trigger. With that said, the TAC got nerfed into oblivion and the SCR is overshadowed by the RR and CR right now. If people felt that they could actually choose the weapon that they like the best and that they would not be presented with a massive disadvantage then this wouldnt even be needed.
I am fighting for more diverse suit bonuses because there needs to be suits that fit playstyles. If a player favors a certain way of playing, they will pick that suit and lobby for it and there will be less FOTM ranting. This game will always be evolving so to find true balance will be a tough issue. However, by creating diversity, it gives people a reason to fight for their style over a particular FOTM. Look at the scout and true heavy communities and you will have a great example of this. They have been fighting from launch for their roles.
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:56:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:We mustn't confuse CCP's current news blackout with an unwillingness on their part to deal with these issues. One does not mean the other.
CCP tend to go quiet in the last months before Fanfest anyway, usually they're in a sprint to finish stuff for announcment at Harpa. There has been a modestly sizable shift in resources around the company in the last few months. Nearly all Dust development is now done under one roof at CCP Shanghai according to IRC. A number of new staff have been taken on there and more to come if the jobs section of CCP is anything to go by.
The other thing to remember is that 1.8, save for some last minute tinkering based on feedback was likely finished and ready to go a few weeks ago. And 1.9 is likely slated as a fix patch only with no content. Right now, they'll be working in the next named expansion pretty much full time.
Thats the thing Dennie
Thats fine that CCP goes silent because of Fanfest and 1.8 about to be released but they need to 'communicate' that.
For a long time, CCP has made promises about more open communication and then not lived up to it. Instead we got Mintchip and Logibro that do more trolling that communicating.
For a community like this, CCP needs to be firm but fair about how they address situations.
The same goes for what their team are working on as far as bug fixes. Tell the community what they are working on and, if something changes, dont apologize for it. If they are going to treat the players like children by skirting things and silence, that is the type of communication they will breed.
CCP has removed the updated thread of what fixes that they are working on.
Since the beginning of the year, CCP has responded to a total of 85 threads in the bug section. That is 20 pages of threads for a total of 580 threads. That is a 15% response rate.
Granted, some of the threads are more rants than actual bugs and glitches but there is commonality between a lot of them. There is still the canned response of "we are aware of the problem and are working on it"
It is very easy for CCP to impliment a coding system for reported issues to determine which ones are of importance to the community. These can be addressed in weekly or bi-weekly updates. Many people would feel less frustrated if they just knew that CCP was actually working on it rather than giving them lip service.
"We have been working with VIVOX on fixing the chat bubble bugs but this has been delayed somewhat by preparing 1.8 for release. Once we have finalized any adjustments to the patch, we will be resuming work on the chat system"
"As Fanfest is right around the corner, our communication will slow somewhat as many of our team is also working on getting everything prepared for our guests and presentations. Normal communication regularity will resume after the event. Look forward to seeing everyone there!"
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:26:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:The ultimate point that I think needs addressing is that there MUST be a point where we can say this respec will be the very last one. And CCP NEED to stick by it.
We can not go on with demands for respecs for every single balance change or new module added to the game. This is a game of consequence pure and simple. Players must be made aware that any choices that they make can not be undone, can't be ticketed and can't be changed by QQ'ing in the forums.
As an example, say that in 4 months CCP releases the fabled pilot suit.
They release all racial variants, the skills required to unlock it and modules that support it. If all racial variants are availble from day one, then there is not single argument, not one, that could persuade me as to the the need for a respec. If a player, new or veteran wants to skill into that suit, then grind for it. It is as simple as that.
I agree with you. All skill tree bases (Tier 1 suits) will have been introduced. There is no need for changes to them after that. However, prior to release of the respec, I would like communication from CCP as to the intended direction of each racial group so that people can make an informed decision as to what style of play they wish to go with.
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:57:00 -
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For the EVE vs Dust argument, here are my thoughts on the matter.
In EVE, a new pilot can pretty quickly fill a role in a fleet for PVP. They are assigned to train up on their speed and EWAR so that they can tackle. This can take as little as a month or two before they are proficient in it. For Dust, this is not the case. There are no good roles that a new player can fit into nor can they really hide within a larger group due to the 16v16 nature of pub matches.
For all the cries that a respec will favor the vets who skilled into the FOTM suits and weapons, it will benefit lower SP players even more. A respec will give them the chance to use their learnings since they began to shape their character how they want it. I agree that this should be the last large respec that CCP gives. Anything else should be specific to the skill tree impacted should a large change be made to it.
One thing that I think would be beneficial to this game is to give a respec token to each new player that starts the game. It can be used up until a certain SP cap. This will allow them to experiment with suits and weapons early on and then respec and focus on what they want to do long term.
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