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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:05:00 -
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I was just thinking about how PC is just a money generation tool and all the high end corps with the largest wallets have nothing to do with all that money, especially since no one is even FIGHTING in PC, so they flood the public matches and show off in their more than affordable protogear on their corp allowances. So, why not use one problem to combat the other? Just spit-balling this idea but I think I like it.
Let high end corps throw money at districts to make a semi-immediate attack that bypasses anyone else's claims to attack it. Corp A has its districts locked. Corp B hates that, so Corp B throws, I dunno, ~150m ISK down to grease the wheels of some pilots and CONCORD bureaucrats to gain the right to attack the district in an hour and not a day. Corp A receives a "ALL HANDS ON DECK!" alert and starts frantically making phone calls and emails to its members. Battles occur as regular for PC matches but these corps can now rapidly go through their wallets, coordinate scheduled attacks on districts, and actually have some high end stuff to do in the game instead of sitting on pubs. Most corps would throw money at this just to spite other corps and try to cut into their wallets more so than try to increase their own. This would probably revitalize PC overnight and give those pesky high end players some teeth grinding level of adrenaline we're all looking for. Top tier corps have something to spend money on and a reason to fight, casual players feel better about the suddenly cleared up pub matches, and everyone's happy.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.14 13:12:00 -
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Ander Thedas wrote:I was just thinking about how PC is just a money generation tool and all the high end corps with the largest wallets have nothing to do with all that money, especially since no one is even FIGHTING in PC, so they flood the public matches and show off in their more than affordable protogear on their corp allowances. So, why not use one problem to combat the other? Just spit-balling this idea but I think I like it.
Let high end corps throw money at districts to make a semi-immediate attack that bypasses anyone else's claims to attack it. Corp A has its districts locked. Corp B hates that, so Corp B throws, I dunno, ~150m ISK down to grease the wheels of some pilots and CONCORD bureaucrats to gain the right to attack the district in an hour and not a day. Corp A receives a "ALL HANDS ON DECK!" alert and starts frantically making phone calls and emails to its members. Battles occur as regular for PC matches but these corps can now rapidly go through their wallets, coordinate scheduled attacks on districts, and actually have some high end stuff to do in the game instead of sitting on pubs. Most corps would throw money at this just to spite other corps and try to cut into their wallets more so than try to increase their own. This would probably revitalize PC overnight and give those pesky high end players some teeth grinding level of adrenaline we're all looking for. Top tier corps have something to spend money on and a reason to fight, casual players feel better about the suddenly cleared up pub matches, and everyone's happy.
You'd need a counter-bribe system where the other corp could also bribe concord to keep the attack from happening, otherwise, I like it.
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:44:00 -
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Bring Corporation Battles Back = Problem Solved
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:46:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:Bring Corporation Battles Back = Problem Solved Corp battles can't deny another corp money if they choose not to participate. It would just be something else they can choose to do at their leisure, as opposed to a harsh adjustment of the end game meta.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:54:00 -
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I could see a cost to refund the other attacker's clones/ISK and then allow you to take over the attack.
But a one-hour attack situation is still not a functional game idea, and would not revitalize PC. All it'd mean is Nyain San would hold 100% of Molden Heath instead of like 50%.
The game isn't large enough, and the players aren't coordinated enough, for it to be possible to defend a district all hours of the day.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:24:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I could see a cost to refund the other attacker's clones/ISK and then allow you to take over the attack.
But a one-hour attack situation is still not a functional game idea, and would not revitalize PC. All it'd mean is Nyain San would hold 100% of Molden Heath instead of like 50%.
The game isn't large enough, and the players aren't coordinated enough, for it to be possible to defend a district all hours of the day.
Everyone gets 1 district as a "home base" which operates under normal rules? Might encourage a little diversity, at the very least bigger corps might let some midrange groups into their alliances and give them a district of their own so they can keep it more easily defended.
Which adds more meta because then they would naturally tax the earnings of that district like some kind of PC 'protection racket". In the end the big elite corps would technically still control things, and get a lot (but not all!) of the money, but it's markedly better than what we have now.
I'm sure plenty of midrange corps would be happy to get their own little 40 acres and a mule in PC at the cost of a little protection money and joining an alliance. Imperfect (no pun intended) diversity is still diversity.
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:30:00 -
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Flaw in the plan: why would these ridiculously rich corps bother? They have tons of money and have no need to press against other rich corporations and they can already afford to wait out the smaller corps, who don't have enormous ISK reserves.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:52:00 -
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John Demonsbane, then everyone gets one home base, and everything else belongs to Nyain San? Does not address underlying issue with thread proposal.
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:21:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Flaw in the plan: why would these ridiculously rich corps bother? They have tons of money and have no need to press against other rich corporations and they can already afford to wait out the smaller corps, who don't have enormous ISK reserves.
PC needs to be pulled until it can be reworked to not be...well, crap.
The big elite corps would bother because there is a LOT of bad blood between the big elite corps. Even the ones in alliances are mostly biting their tongue to do it because the avenues to backstab the corps they dislike aren't worth the effort and the risk. This gives them the opportunity to actually make a go at it.
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:10:00 -
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Awry Barux
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:35:00 -
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I like the idea of paying money for supersede another's corp's attack on a district. It could even escalate into bidding wars over who gets the attack, like a real bribe-fest. I don't think the one-hour attack timer is necessary, you could leave it at 24 hours and just do the rest of this idea, and that would be good. |
Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:16:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:I like the idea of paying money for supersede another's corp's attack on a district. It could even escalate into bidding wars over who gets the attack, like a real bribe-fest. I don't think the one-hour attack timer is necessary, you could leave it at 24 hours and just do the rest of this idea, and that would be good.
I kind of agree the one hour timer might be a little excessive, but the 24 hour timer is entirely too long to high end competitive fights. If you're paying that much to overstep the normal 24 hour time period then the shortened attack timer would just "ramp up the action" as they say. Plus the faster you can get the stompers in PC battles the less time they have to sit in pubs, which is good for everyone.
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:28:00 -
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:40:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:John Demonsbane, then everyone gets one home base, and everything else belongs to Nyain San? Does not address underlying issue with thread proposal.
Well, for one, that would be immeasurably better than what we have now, where 99% of corporations have no district at all.
Second, I meant do this in conjunction with the proposal in the OP. That way you don't have to defend every district you own every hour of the day, which would be exhausting and would still keep smaller corps out of PC because they would not have the manpower to do it. They can have their one district on a timer they set to a time period they are able to field a team to defend it, which would be exempt from the bribe and attack mechanic proposed by the OP.
You want more than one district, though, well, you better be able to defend it on a moments notice.
EDIT: I saw your earlier post and I think you are seriously overestimating Nyain San. There's no way they could hold the number of districts they have now if they didn't have them locked to timers that are on asian time zones. Even if they were as skilled of players as people think (which they aren't, AE has much more talent, even 0.H still does), they simply don't have the manpower to do it.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:44:00 -
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I like the idea of bidding for an attack. Outbid the district locking corp and you get to fight on their attack. This would create some serious meta the larger corps use to burn ISK both holding and taking districts.
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:23:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:John Demonsbane, then everyone gets one home base, and everything else belongs to Nyain San? Does not address underlying issue with thread proposal. Well, for one, that would be immeasurably better than what we have now, where 99% of corporations have no district at all. Second, I meant do this in conjunction with the proposal in the OP. That way you don't have to defend every district you own every hour of the day, which would be exhausting and would still keep smaller corps out of PC because they would not have the manpower to do it. They can have their one district on a timer they set to a time period they are able to field a team to defend it, which would be exempt from the bribe and attack mechanic proposed by the OP. You want more than one district, though, well, you better be able to defend it on a moments notice. EDIT: I saw your earlier post and I think you are seriously overestimating Nyain San. There's no way they could hold the number of districts they have now if they didn't have them locked to timers that are on asian time zones. Even if they were as skilled of players as people think (which they aren't, AE has much more talent, even 0.H still does), they simply don't have the manpower to do it.
I agree with you about Nyain. They're strong, don't get me wrong, but this system would allow for coordinated attacks from multiple angles and multiple corps against another one. It would be possible to really put a dent in an enemy and to keep them on their toes, for sure. And if they can successfully defend well enough they know they're draining your coffers to the point where you'll be hurting yourself more than them to continue the attack. The idea is REALLY exciting to me.
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Ander Thedas
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Posted - 2014.03.03 06:39:00 -
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