DUST Search - Do I "need" damage mods?

Lordsmash wrote:

TheD1CK wrote:

Yes you do need at least 2 dmg mods...
Most scrubs in this game don't spawn without them

If they didn't ... they would get their asses handed to them

just like you Pirate

Prepare yourself for a charged shot of hate from the forums.

So anyway, I myself have questioned putting damage mods on my suit with the scrambler rifle. (Gallente logi)
Due to my idiotic playstyle of running in and hoping for the best, I've taken to stacking an unhealthy (For my CPU/PG) amount of damage. However, I think I should adjust my playstyle and try for as much shield health as I can get, even though I've only got enhanced extenders and I'm using a gallente suit.

Even though this would only result in up to 100 or so extra shield (I'll focus on fitting better plates first), I think I should start focusing on living more and not burning millions of ISK.

Proficiency IV Scrambler Rifle (Should I get this to V?)

So what do you guys think? Should I do away with damage mods making me overconfident? Is the extra fitting cost worth it for the Viziam? (The Viziam gets 5% damage bonus over the CRW compared to the basic, but less than that if you're just comparing it to the advanced, but only slightly. The Viziam also has extra damage ranges.)

Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.

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Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3320	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:32:00 - [1] - Quote I have SCR proficiency at level V so do I technically NEED damage mods? I usually roll with two complex damage mods on the Viziam and can one shot a lot of medium suits and then mop up anything else. Is this overkill? I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:35:00 - [2] - Quote That's massive overkill. But you know there is stacking penalty for those damage mods? Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3320	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:39:00 - [3] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: That's massive overkill. But you know there is stacking penalty for those damage mods? Yes, I know it isn't 20%. I can't remember the penalty value but I would estimate the really bonus comes out around 17%. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 57	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:40:00 - [4] - Quote The staking penalty means that the second 1 works at 87% its efficiency. You have to start worry about the staking penalty when stack 3 or more modules
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:41:00 - [5] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: The staking penalty means that the second 1 works at 87% its efficiency. You have to start worry about the staking penalty when stack 3 or more modules Oh, that's good to hear. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1019	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:42:00 - [6] - Quote What's this question? No, you don't 'need' the damage mods as you know already. You have the damage skills maxed and use Viziam. Some could argue that that in itself is overkill. I suggest you dump the damage mods and use the slots for militia myofibril stimulant and basic precision enhancer. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3320	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:46:00 - [7] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: What's this question? No, you don't 'need' the damage mods as you know already. You have the damage skills maxed and use Viziam. Some could argue that that in itself is overkill. I suggest you dump the damage mods and use the slots for militia myofibril stimulant and basic precision enhancer. It's not so much do I need them, it's more of a just keep them because more gank is always nice or stop one shotting everything and take them off. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 96	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:49:00 - [8] - Quote Winning loadout right now is: Damage on the left and armour on the right... that's it!
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:54:00 - [9] - Quote The only question in this game is : what is going to make me survive more? (not by camping or escaping but while you are doing your Job for your team) So if You think that sometimes you dont need all These dmg but you d prefer more shields add an extender. If You feel Like your shields are too Low to regen add a energizer (but I can guess you are amarr so I wouldnt choose this) For example: my minlogi is a real Logibro, I was asking myself, what will make me survive better? 70 shields or 10% dmg, I choose the dmg for because when I m forced to shoot I want to kill fast
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:54:00 - [10] - Quote i got a really good av ambush fit i don't use damage mods with. bpo sever logi or dren logi, 2 bpo armor, 2 bpo shield, bpo exile, bpo uplink, 2 nano hives, lai dai grenades

Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 760	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:12:00 - [11] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Repe Susi wrote: What's this question? No, you don't 'need' the damage mods as you know already. You have the damage skills maxed and use Viziam. Some could argue that that in itself is overkill. I suggest you dump the damage mods and use the slots for militia myofibril stimulant and basic precision enhancer. It's not so much do I need them, it's more of a just keep them because more gank is always nice or stop one shotting everything and take them off. So, just quick back of the envelope calculations: No DMG mods, Prof V, PRO ScR base damage 91 charged damage 318 Two Complex DMG mods, Prof V, PRO ScR base damage 106 charged damage 370 Obviously the punch from the charge gets the biggest boost. As to the "need" question, you just have to decide what you could do with those slots instead. For high slots, you don't have a lot of options. You could leave them empty and save about 11k ISK. Is that money important to you? You could put in shields or shield regulators. Do you need more or quicker tank? You could put in precision enhancers. Do you get knifed by scouts and wish that didn't happen? You could put in myofibril stimulants. Do you feel like you should be doing more melee damage? If yes, you are a dweeb. Don't put myofibril stimulants on your fit. If you absolutely MUST do melee damage just invest in knives.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1021	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:20:00 - [12] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: You could put in myofibril stimulants. Do you feel like you should be doing more melee damage? If yes, you are a dweeb. Don't put myofibril stimulants on your fit. If you absolutely MUST do melee damage just invest in knives. I trust you understand my post was made tongue in cheek? I can't say I wouldn't use 2 dmg mods, actually I do have fits with 2! (Although I don't use Viziam) Sadly at the moment it really seems to be highs for damage, lows for armor. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2411	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:27:00 - [13] - Quote You could drop them, but what are you going to replace them with? Precision Enhancers? Shield Regulators? Pfft... You may as well leave them empty and save a few ISK on your dropsuits. I GÖú Kittens.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3112	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:27:00 - [14] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I have SCR proficiency at level V so do I technically NEED damage mods? I usually roll with two complex damage mods on the Viziam and can one shot a lot of medium suits and then mop up anything else. Is this overkill? Depends. Do you need an extra bunch of shield HP on your fitting? No.
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 761	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:31:00 - [15] - Quote I only included Myo because they are a legitimate option. Just like leaving the slots empty is also a viable option. I wasn't poking fun at you. In my mind the only legit option here is putting on a Precision mod. ScR is a gun that favors picking your engagements, charging your shots, and aiming well. Extra shield tank isn't going to necessarily support that play style especially if OP is in Amarr suits (which isn't a given but I default assume all ScR users are Amarr). Precision, on the other hand, will help reveal anybody who needs to be shot. It will tell you what direction they are facing and where they are. This helps you can plan better. I am also a huge fan of EWAR overall. So if the gun is doing 10% more damage than you need it to, there is room to make the fit more efficient.
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3321	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:38:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I have SCR proficiency at level V so do I technically NEED damage mods? I usually roll with two complex damage mods on the Viziam and can one shot a lot of medium suits and then mop up anything else. Is this overkill? Depends. Do you need an extra bunch of shield HP on your fitting? Already have 373 aHP on my advanced Amarr suit. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 469	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I have SCR proficiency at level V so do I technically NEED damage mods? I usually roll with two complex damage mods on the Viziam and can one shot a lot of medium suits and then mop up anything else. Is this overkill? there is no over kill ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 287	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:51:00 - [18] - Quote I love overkill! Like someone mentioned, stacking penalties aren't worth considering until the 3rd or more mod. Like someone else said, the winning fit is damage on the left, armor on the right. To experiment with that, several months ago I took racial ADV medium frames, fit them with a racial weapon (Amarr - Scrambler, Gallente - Assault, etc.), double complex damage mods and double basic plates. I did much better with each of them than any of the fits I put time, effort, and thought into. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Cpl Foster USMC Alpha Response Command 640	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:54:00 - [19] - Quote I NEED damage mods...like bad.... if I can fit 5 then i'm happy. 4 will keep me satisfied. 3 is the bare minimum. 2 and I prob won't even use the suit, unless it's a heavy.
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3322	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:04:00 - [20] - Quote I just wish range extenders were high slot modules. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2693	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:13:00 - [21] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Repe Susi wrote: What's this question? No, you don't 'need' the damage mods as you know already. You have the damage skills maxed and use Viziam. Some could argue that that in itself is overkill. I suggest you dump the damage mods and use the slots for militia myofibril stimulant and basic precision enhancer. It's not so much do I need them, it's more of a just keep them because more gank is always nice or stop one shotting everything and take them off. Yes, that match where I mailed you laughing saying wtf. Well in that match if me and my 2 squad mates were running our proto with damage mods, we'd have raped those grenade spamming nubs, we was in full std scrub mode, you'd have quickly felt very alone lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2693	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:14:00 - [22] - Quote And yes its overkill but that's the point, carry on mate. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1208	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:25:00 - [23] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: That's massive overkill. But you know there is stacking penalty for those damage mods? Yes, I know it isn't 20%. I can't remember the penalty value but I would estimate the really bonus comes out around 17%. For two damage mods it comes out to 19.559%. {:)}{3GÇó>
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 657	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:29:00 - [24] - Quote Yes you do need at least 2 dmg mods... Most scrubs in this game don't spawn without them If they didn't ... they would get their asses handed to them just like you Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed
Lordsmash Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:48:00 - [25] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Yes you do need at least 2 dmg mods... Most scrubs in this game don't spawn without them If they didn't ... they would get their asses handed to them just like you Prepare yourself for a charged shot of hate from the forums. So anyway, I myself have questioned putting damage mods on my suit with the scrambler rifle. (Gallente logi) Due to my idiotic playstyle of running in and hoping for the best, I've taken to stacking an unhealthy (For my CPU/PG) amount of damage. However, I think I should adjust my playstyle and try for as much shield health as I can get, even though I've only got enhanced extenders and I'm using a gallente suit. Even though this would only result in up to 100 or so extra shield (I'll focus on fitting better plates first), I think I should start focusing on living more and not burning millions of ISK. Proficiency IV Scrambler Rifle (Should I get this to V?) So what do you guys think? Should I do away with damage mods making me overconfident? Is the extra fitting cost worth it for the Viziam? (The Viziam gets 5% damage bonus over the CRW compared to the basic, but less than that if you're just comparing it to the advanced, but only slightly. The Viziam also has extra damage ranges.) Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 853	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:25:00 - [26] - Quote Personally I feel practically naked without a damage mod in every high slot, no matter the suit. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5031	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:33:00 - [27] - Quote I need damage mods :D I suck so much :D > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1095	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote 2 Damage Mods are highly effective, 3 is effective, and over 3 is non effective. After 3 mods the increase is so small it's not worth it. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4626	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:36:00 - [29] - Quote I'd love to dump a damage mod...Too bad there's nothing in our Highslot sto dump them in.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2122	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:40:00 - [30] - Quote My AK.0+ ScR suit is titled "Go Big or Go Home" need I say moar... Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah

Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 243	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:43:00 - [31] - Quote hold that wrote: i got a really good av ambush fit i don't use damage mods with. bpo sever logi or dren logi, 2 bpo armor, 2 bpo shield, bpo exile, bpo uplink, 2 nano hives, lai dai grenades Are the nanohives k2s? I'm going to have to try this. I have everything but the grenade skills. . . "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3323	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:33:00 - [32] - Quote Lordsmash wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Yes you do need at least 2 dmg mods... Most scrubs in this game don't spawn without them If they didn't ... they would get their asses handed to them just like you Prepare yourself for a charged shot of hate from the forums. So anyway, I myself have questioned putting damage mods on my suit with the scrambler rifle. (Gallente logi) Due to my idiotic playstyle of running in and hoping for the best, I've taken to stacking an unhealthy (For my CPU/PG) amount of damage. However, I think I should adjust my playstyle and try for as much shield health as I can get, even though I've only got enhanced extenders and I'm using a gallente suit. Even though this would only result in up to 100 or so extra shield (I'll focus on fitting better plates first), I think I should start focusing on living more and not burning millions of ISK. Proficiency IV Scrambler Rifle (Should I get this to V?) So what do you guys think? Should I do away with damage mods making me overconfident? Is the extra fitting cost worth it for the Viziam? (The Viziam gets 5% damage bonus over the CRW compared to the basic, but less than that if you're just comparing it to the advanced, but only slightly. The Viziam also has extra damage ranges.) Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer. Yes, get proficiency five. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
OZAROW 0uter.Heaven 1403	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:41:00 - [33] - Quote Lol I love this post, epic trolling at its finest haha , everybody got rused into explaining like the OP didn't already kno, lmao CLASSIC +1 SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3324	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:04:00 - [34] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Lol I love this post, epic trolling at its finest haha , everybody got rused into explaining like the OP didn't already kno, lmao CLASSIC +1 Shhhhhhhh. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 721	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:27:00 - [35] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I have SCR proficiency at level V so do I technically NEED damage mods? I usually roll with two complex damage mods on the Viziam and can one shot a lot of medium suits and then mop up anything else. Is this overkill? who cares if its over kill? use whatever you want. if the enemy doesnt like it....well thats to bad for them. they wanted to play online. and we all know that when you play online you are subject to whatever gets thrown at you. that includes a demonic scram rifle with demon mods on it . keep using the scram with damage mods. if you enjoy using that load out why would you stop using it?


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