The way it is, is much better.

Your right nobody deserves the right to police pfc unless they put the effort in, which kain has done.

And no its better this way, I'd rather pay a weekly fee than pay 50 million isk to a capable team.

The corps on pfc and the ones that will form the council are happy as far as I know, it seems to be people with bs ulterior motives or people who should simply be quiet that have no say that aren't happy.

Stop stirring with your bs.

It's not BS, it's an opinion, and I have one, and a forum last I checked is the place to voice that. You have yours, and I have mine. Yours is just a little more kissA$$ish.

Giving one person, or one group, the right to police something like this is inherently dangerous. I'm sorry, but I don't feel like I should have to give Kane Spero a cent. No one should. Effort? To play a video game? To go in with a team of ringers to mop up some guys who probably have less SP and money and slaughter them out of PC? Yeah, that takes real effort. To play a game he'd be playing ANYWAY, only easier. I'm not attacking the man personally, but I am attacking his motives.

Why not put it the "protection" money in a fund he doesn't have access to, and have someone dole it out to him as needed then?

Here's a thought:

All the big corps (you know who you are) agree to NOT attack PFC. If for instance (and I mean nothing by using specific names for this example) KEQ took a PFC district from Venezuela Corp, then a big corp goes in, takes them out, and returns it for a one time fee to whatever corp wants it via silent auction which will cover the big corps expenses plus some. But only if that district was taken by a big corp in the first place.

If a defending small corp gets attacked by another small corp, and that small corp was proven not to be a shell corp, and loses that district, then they deserve to lose it. Plain and simple. For example (again, nothing in names), Phoenix Fed gets attacked by Exemplars, and loses that district, it should be rightfully Exemplars district to own until they move on outside of PFC (hopefully a corp in that position would hand it off to another, or again, silent auction) or get beat. I do think only so many corps in the same alliance should be allowed spots in PFC though.

I see no reason why any small corp should have to pay Kane Spero protection money. I ask the same question everyone else asks: What gives Kane, or any one person or organization, the right to decide or police PFC? The correct answer is they don't. Let PFC police itself, and only intervene if necessary and get paid that way as I stated above.

It may not seem like a lot of ISK to them. But for corps that are starting out and don't have as much ISK, it's a lot to them. Granted, it's CCP's fault for eliminating corp battles and not opening the map up more.

At the same time I ask this: If corp battles were brought back, do you think NF would bum rush PFC and try to take every one of those districts?

If you're going to make it a noob fest then change the name of the planet... clearly it is no longer Planet Fight Club.... stop calling it that.

If you're going to make it a noob fest then change the name of the planet... clearly it is no longer Planet Fight Club.... stop calling it that.

We need for CCP to bring Corp Battles back, so that PFC can be eliminated.

Those districts were a gift from the higher level corps to those corporations that are hoping to get in the scene, it was never meant to be a long term solution for small corps to taste a little of PC. The community has to accept that some corporations are never going to enter the PC grounds and their PFC district they hold is not actually only for them.

That's complete bs, corp battles don't have any mechanics in whatsoever.

Take your hype elsewhere.

The idea for PFC was never benevolent, it was all an ISK scheme that went south.

The small corporations in PFC were meant to get experience, recruit more for PC, learn the mechanics of attacking/moving clones/clone generation/etc and BUY districts outside of PFC from better corporations. It is very clear that some corporations do not want to be part of PC, but they will like to hold a small piece of land for months without making any effort to grow out of there.

With corp battle back, the community would be able to remove unprepared corporations from PC and send them back to the pool where they should prepare several skirmishes a day in order to actually prepare them for a competitive environment... instead of needing babysitters to protect them from competition.

That's complete bs, corp battles don't have any mechanics in whatsoever.

Take your hype elsewhere.

Where do you think the people that dominate PC now got their **** together? They were doing corp battles against each other for months before PC dropped.

Not having some lower level team deploy has killed PC in terms of player involvement.

Can I nestle my nose between your buttocks?

KEQ took a PFC district from Venezuela Corp

Here's a thought:

All the big corps (you know who you are) agree to NOT attack PFC. If for instance (and I mean nothing by using specific names for this example) KEQ took a PFC district from Venezuela Corp, then a big corp goes in, takes them out, and returns it for a one time fee to whatever corp wants it via silent auction which will cover the big corps expenses plus some. But only if that district was taken by a big corp in the first place.

If a defending small corp gets attacked by another small corp, and that small corp was proven not to be a shell corp, and loses that district, then they deserve to lose it. Plain and simple. For example (again, nothing in names), Phoenix Fed gets attacked by Exemplars, and loses that district, it should be rightfully Exemplars district to own until they move on outside of PFC (hopefully a corp in that position would hand it off to another, or again, silent auction) or get beat. I do think only so many corps in the same alliance should be allowed spots in PFC though.

I see no reason why any small corp should have to pay Kane Spero protection money. I ask the same question everyone else asks: What gives Kane, or any one person or organization, the right to decide or police PFC? The correct answer is they don't. Let PFC police itself, and only intervene if necessary and get paid that way as I stated above.

It may not seem like a lot of ISK to them. But for corps that are starting out and don't have as much ISK, it's a lot to them. Granted, it's CCP's fault for eliminating corp battles and not opening the map up more.

At the same time I ask this: If corp battles were brought back, do you think NF would bum rush PFC and try to take every one of those districts?

i dont know where you get your information from but KEQ has never took a district on PFC from anyone.

we attack PFC districts on occasion to train our new players but have never so much as attempted a district flip.

get your facts straight before you post, jackass.

i dont know where you get your information from but KEQ has never took a district on PFC from anyone.

we attack PFC districts on occasion to train our new players but have never so much as attempted a district flip.

get your facts straight before you post, jackass.

What you need to be in the top corp to be in pfc ? If you were, go get a district out there and stfu. Arent your corp in the top 50 ? Go get them tiger ! Show us the example. Lead the way, be a leader..... Leave the organizing to us.

Whos the jackass? Learn to read. I was using names as EXAMPLES. Which I stated CLEARLY...sigh...some peoples children...

That's complete bs, corp battles don't have any mechanics in whatsoever.

Take your hype elsewhere.

We need for CCP to bring Corp Battles back, so that PFC can be eliminated.

Those districts were a gift from the higher level corps to those corporations that are hoping to get in the scene, it was never meant to be a long term solution for small corps to taste a little of PC. The community has to accept that some corporations are never going to enter the PC grounds and their PFC district they hold is not actually only for them.

Actually the district that a PFC corp occupies is theirs to use as they please as long as it is within the rules set up by the council and they don't perma-lock the district on full clones. A PFC corp in good standing is free to sell their district as well in consultation with the PFC council.

PFC was originally set up by Imperfects and SyNergy, but TeamPlayers began the positive shift towards starter corps.

PFC is discriminating against old corps. You ask if top corp should be requirement to be in pfc. I say no. I also say that being a noob shouldn't be a requirement either. Choosing one is excluding the other.

Ex, you bring up a good point, but the system you speak of is exactly the type of system that Kain is weeding out. It didn't work, Plain and simple, most corps were just farming isk and not doing a damn thing. Kain got them out of the way so corps that want to train and move on can get better in stead of fester and use the isk for pubstomping.

As for smaller corps not having a lot of money flow. Any CEO of any corp wishing to break into PC who reads the forums or talks to other people in the game should know about the isk involved. Preparing a wallet for PC is something you do BEFORE entering into the arena, not AFTER you have a district, even on PFC.

I have no sympathy for those who are not financially prepared to fund a military campaign.

No NF would not take back these districts back because they all know the true reason for doing what they are, giving corps a platform to get better as a team, legit corps who want to get into PC. Not corps that just want to have fun battles like corp battles used to be, then throw in the towel and go back to pubs. It's a waste of time and space for a corp who truly wants to compete.