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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:19:00 -
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excillon wrote:Here's a thought:
All the big corps (you know who you are) agree to NOT attack PFC. If for instance (and I mean nothing by using specific names for this example) KEQ took a PFC district from Venezuela Corp, then a big corp goes in, takes them out, and returns it for a one time fee to whatever corp wants it via silent auction which will cover the big corps expenses plus some. But only if that district was taken by a big corp in the first place.
If a defending small corp gets attacked by another small corp, and that small corp was proven not to be a shell corp, and loses that district, then they deserve to lose it. Plain and simple. For example (again, nothing in names), Phoenix Fed gets attacked by Exemplars, and loses that district, it should be rightfully Exemplars district to own until they move on outside of PFC (hopefully a corp in that position would hand it off to another, or again, silent auction) or get beat. I do think only so many corps in the same alliance should be allowed spots in PFC though.
I see no reason why any small corp should have to pay Kane Spero protection money. I ask the same question everyone else asks: What gives Kane, or any one person or organization, the right to decide or police PFC? The correct answer is they don't. Let PFC police itself, and only intervene if necessary and get paid that way as I stated above.
It may not seem like a lot of ISK to them. But for corps that are starting out and don't have as much ISK, it's a lot to them. Granted, it's CCP's fault for eliminating corp battles and not opening the map up more.
At the same time I ask this: If corp battles were brought back, do you think NF would bum rush PFC and try to take every one of those districts? Ex, you bring up a good point, but the system you speak of is exactly the type of system that Kain is weeding out. It didn't work, Plain and simple, most corps were just farming isk and not doing a damn thing. Kain got them out of the way so corps that want to train and move on can get better in stead of fester and use the isk for pubstomping.
As for smaller corps not having a lot of money flow. Any CEO of any corp wishing to break into PC who reads the forums or talks to other people in the game should know about the isk involved. Preparing a wallet for PC is something you do BEFORE entering into the arena, not AFTER you have a district, even on PFC.
I have no sympathy for those who are not financially prepared to fund a military campaign.
No NF would not take back these districts back because they all know the true reason for doing what they are, giving corps a platform to get better as a team, legit corps who want to get into PC. Not corps that just want to have fun battles like corp battles used to be, then throw in the towel and go back to pubs. It's a waste of time and space for a corp who truly wants to compete.
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Sir Snugglz wrote:If you're going to make it a noob fest then change the name of the planet... clearly it is no longer Planet Fight Club.... stop calling it that. Can I nestle my nose between your buttocks?
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:28:00 -
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excillon wrote:Kain Spero wrote:LittleCuteBunny wrote:We need for CCP to bring Corp Battles back, so that PFC can be eliminated. Those districts were a gift from the higher level corps to those corporations that are hoping to get in the scene, it was never meant to be a long term solution for small corps to taste a little of PC. The community has to accept that some corporations are never going to enter the PC grounds and their PFC district they hold is not actually only for them. Actually the district that a PFC corp occupies is theirs to use as they please as long as it is within the rules set up by the council and they don't perma-lock the district on full clones. A PFC corp in good standing is free to sell their district as well in consultation with the PFC council. PFC was originally set up by Imperfects and SyNergy, but TeamPlayers began the positive shift towards starter corps. I would just like it explained as to HOW and WHY you need almost 1 BILLION isk a month to maintain PFC. Hey, you got an itemized list that justifies it, great. I won't complain. That number just seems SEVERELY bloated. Here's the cold hard truth, if you are not on PFC you do not deserve an answer to ANYTHING, period, get over it. Why do you all care where OUR money goes?
Or are you all just jealous you didn't come up with the idea Kain has put into effect first? I am usually passivebut frankly unless you are on PFC it's none of your fkng business, mind your own...
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:32:00 -
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xMaggot Brainx wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:excillon wrote:Here's a thought:
All the big corps (you know who you are) agree to NOT attack PFC. If for instance (and I mean nothing by using specific names for this example) KEQ took a PFC district from Venezuela Corp, then a big corp goes in, takes them out, and returns it for a one time fee to whatever corp wants it via silent auction which will cover the big corps expenses plus some. But only if that district was taken by a big corp in the first place.
If a defending small corp gets attacked by another small corp, and that small corp was proven not to be a shell corp, and loses that district, then they deserve to lose it. Plain and simple. For example (again, nothing in names), Phoenix Fed gets attacked by Exemplars, and loses that district, it should be rightfully Exemplars district to own until they move on outside of PFC (hopefully a corp in that position would hand it off to another, or again, silent auction) or get beat. I do think only so many corps in the same alliance should be allowed spots in PFC though.
I see no reason why any small corp should have to pay Kane Spero protection money. I ask the same question everyone else asks: What gives Kane, or any one person or organization, the right to decide or police PFC? The correct answer is they don't. Let PFC police itself, and only intervene if necessary and get paid that way as I stated above.
It may not seem like a lot of ISK to them. But for corps that are starting out and don't have as much ISK, it's a lot to them. Granted, it's CCP's fault for eliminating corp battles and not opening the map up more.
At the same time I ask this: If corp battles were brought back, do you think NF would bum rush PFC and try to take every one of those districts? Ex, you bring up a good point, but the system you speak of is exactly the type of system that Kain is weeding out. It didn't work, Plain and simple, most corps were just farming isk and not doing a damn thing. Kain got them out of the way so corps that want to train and move on can get better in stead of fester and use the isk for pubstomping. As for smaller corps not having a lot of money flow. Any CEO of any corp wishing to break into PC who reads the forums or talks to other people in the game should know about the isk involved. Preparing a wallet for PC is something you do BEFORE entering into the arena, not AFTER you have a district, even on PFC. I have no sympathy for those who are not financially prepared to fund a military campaign. No NF would not take back these districts back because they all know the true reason for doing what they are, giving corps a platform to get better as a team, legit corps who want to get into PC. Not corps that just want to have fun battles like corp battles used to be, then throw in the towel and go back to pubs. It's a waste of time and space for a corp who truly wants to compete. You are so wrong. The first corp taking off PFC was Subsonic which upheld all the rules of PFC and never locked their district unlike Death Firm whose district has been locked in the last few days. what he is weeding out are those that oppose him and letting the cowards remain. Plain and simple. We changed our timer WED night and posted it publically so no one would cry about it, but obviously you still QQ. Get your facts straight.
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:38:00 -
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And furthermore, our district is locked to regen clones after attempted district flipping by WTF and MBO, there it's public notice to all concerned, F OFF!!!
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:15:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Here's the cold hard truth, if you are not on PFC you do not deserve an answer to ANYTHING, period, get over it. Why do you all care where OUR money goes?
Or are you all just jealous you didn't come up with the idea Kain has put into effect first? I am usually passivebut frankly unless you are on PFC it's none of your fkng business, mind your own...
Sorry in advance for the wall-o-text below, slow Monday Interesting position to take really. Example: As a community member, just because I don't cash in welfare food stamps doesn't mean I am not allowed to be concerned, or inquire about the community welfare program. Understand? Sometimes the best thing you can do is put the shoe on the other foot and look at it from the rest of the communities perspective. A lot of folks here in this community have been through countless wars, seen top dogs come and go, imposing their will on the Planetary Conquest landscape from get rich quick schemes of policing PFC and taking/selling districts at upwards of 200million a pop... to top corps relentlessly attacking and taking every district a corporation owns... to mid level corps running a muck on PFC killing the experience of new players. We have pretty much seen it all, until this latest scheme of a "protection racket" which was made public knowledge and which is new for most of us. If you didn't want any feedback or resistance from the public, you all should have done better to keep this information confidential. We are part of the community, PFC is a community driven idea that a lot of us have supported over the past year. Some of us have previously owned districts on PFC and played by the "rules". Some of us were recently booted off the planet by the latest overlord (isn't the first, wont be the last). Some of us are curious about what is going on, not only for our own knowledge.. perhaps someone asking questions is truly interested in getting involved in PFC. Some may be curious as to how much isk you all are feeding NF, one of, if not the most dominating force to ever play this game. ISK is a huge part of this game, and perhaps will have even more importance in the near future when PC gets back into full swing. The ability to attack with clone packs, hire ringers, and fend off a large assault (or even bribe the attackers to switch sides). Right now MH is all locked up so nothing is happening... as a hypothetical scenario, this money that is being stockpiled COULD be used for other purposes if/when the time comes. Are you that surprised that so many in the community who have been here since beta can see plain as day that this is a huge risk? I think many would agree that nobody should expect NF to sit back in the shadows when PC goes live again and just be the PFC police. Its a statistical probability that they will want to take the fight to the other big dogs like AE and that will require a good amount of isk to fund. Once that task is completed, what is stopping this latest overlord from moving his sights onto the rest of us.... and whats to stop him from using the money currently being stockpiled to fuel a war? What would be the disadvantage of using this stockpile for his own purposes, to **** off a bunch of indy corps who pose zero threat to him?lol Would his potentially "tarnished" reputation really be that big of a deal, or would it be easily forgotten in a month or two?lol this is new eden afterall. Those are the concerns of the public in a nutshell. Some folks say Kane is a stand up guy and he would never do that. But if you put the shoe on the other foot, not everyone has had dealings either way with this person so some of us may be skeptical at best. Talking about it and bringing up the risks is part of a discussion, it can be assumed that some of these indy corps feeding the giant grapes daily don't know exactly what the repercussions could be once the giant gets too fat. TL:DR We have every right to ask questions on a public forum about a community based program. Be careful when you start lashing out at the rest of the community like this, in many cases their bite is much bigger than your bark. I will apologize for my standoffish posture earlier, it is just getting old, very old how everyone is concerned what we do with our funds here on PFC. I understand concerns about Kain and his intentions, you would be crazy not to have them.
I am just tired of hearing the same people QQ about the subject. Not the ones such as yourself with legitimate concerns for the future. The fact is what the corps on PFC do while we are here has absolutely nothing to do with what could happen in the future, unless you somehow tend to hold us responsible, which some are sounding like they are.
I'm talking about little things like if we change our timer, the district is locked, no one outside PFC deserves an explanation as to why. If the district was locked for a week that would be a different story. Yes it is a priveledge to hold a district here but, some things do not warrant explanation that do not directly impact others not involved.
Us indie corps pose zero threat to all of you also, some may not understand what could happen, I do, personally I feel if that is something he wanted to do, would have been done already.
If the concerns are toward what "might" happen then the focus should be on that. But when people start worrying about a district being locked for a day to pay the weekly fee, or being locked for a day to change a timer to accommodate others play times, that is the info I do not consider needs to be broadcast, nor public knowledge. We are the ones paying out the money to kain and we aren't the ones complaining.
And I was not lashing out at the whole community, let me set that straight, only a couple that are crying, not inquiring, I fully respect all concerns that this "could" bring to light in the "future".
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:19:00 -
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I never meant to offend anyone in the greater community, just tired of a couple with repetitive nonsense that has nothing to do with them, or what could happen in the future, just nonsense.
I know the potential bite, I am not barking, only growling.
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Posted - 2014.02.17 23:15:00 -
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Bullitt you once again bring valid points to light with a gentlemans perspective, I enjoy your intelligence.
Men in Black Ops tried flipping us earlier in the week, first battle was mostly WTF with MBO shuttles to get into the battle, they beat us bad and re upped the attack immediately. We called on the security team and they did their job beautifully. I shuttled the fifteen private military contractors into the battle and played my role in the battle quietly as I watched, listened, and learned from some of the best. I was humbled by some of the players I fought alongside.
Was Subsonic made an example of? I don't know, you have a good point, for that question I have not an answer. I can tell you this, if they were left alone and WTF and MBO came at them the way they came at us, they would most likely be gone.
I have not yet an answer to who has graduated from PFC and had a successful campaign, I will put some time into it and try to find an answer.
And these are just my thoughts.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:59:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:@ Cyrax, I wish you and your crew nothing but success. And thank you for sharing your example of protection gone right. If more stories like that one come to light, and PFC corps start showing improvement with their PC tactics, then PFC will truly be doing its job. I'm glad you had an opportunity to see how the best of the best handle business. Ive only seen it from the other side of the barrel, but it is impressive nonetheless.
My goal with these words was not to create drama, but to discuss some points of view from an outsiders perspective. I don't know what goes on in private discussions within the council and that's the way it should be. If you want to silence the naysayers then share with us.. if not, then don't. The choice is up to you guys :) Nobody has to prove anything to me, I just felt the need to ask some "tough" questions and put them into the air. As long as you young, indy corps are doing what you think is best for yourselves.. then rock and roll with it. Thank you and you have brought valid topics. I really have nothing more to share, everyone knows about the money. Everyone knows about how the security works, everything has been said. I can assure you my representative to the council keeps me well informed. No I'm not the rep to PFC and don't the CEO of any corp should be for possibility of conflict of interest.
If I get any new information that should be of public interest or judgement, I will be the first to bring it to the public eye, but everything is pretty much out there.
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