DUST Search - why does this game have less players online than a 1995 fps?

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

So today C&C renegade, the original now free to play 1995 game has 3000 people online today. Jumping on both eve and dust I found dust is under this number today.

With only a couple more weeks until C&C renegade X comes out, and it offering mostly everything CCP was promising but never delivered on, is anyone else switching over on feb 28th?

Both games are using unreal 3, dust has cost CCP over 30 million $ while renegade X has only cost it's 4 creators 100,000$. I love dust and I can't wait to play it once it's out of beta. You know has at least all basic content.

The original which you can play now

The remake being played by me last week in cosed beta

Because Dust 514 is a FPS RPG grindfest where the newberries get thrown into the year old vets in tiny battlefields where PVE doesn't exist to alleviate the fun they aren't having. The players who stick it out learn quick that any given month CCP will nerf something causing their stuff to suck, like the minmitar assault, because of other abusive players using what CCP never play tested. It's a perfect storm of awful that I can't help but flagellate myself with just hoping it will get better.

Just most people go, well I guess i'll just play another fps rpg that doesn't like to screw me over. Yes, there are other fps rpgs though they are mostly on the computer. Free to play even, just not as polished usually... and Korean... but hey at least those games have like a monster or zombie mode or something for PVE.

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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4451	Posted - 2014.02.13 11:50:00 - [31] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Not to dismiss you as completely ignorant, it is however the case that Tetris and GTA V shares many common elements. This sounds like a thoroughly entertaining line of discussion. Please explain. If possible, please explain EITHER how Tetris is a third-person open world crime simulator, OR how GTAV is a puzzle game (I suspect the latter argument is more likely). Since Duran's post was only claiming that the two games are of different genres, and not that they lack in similar or comparable features, this would be a reasonable request in order to make your thinly-veiled accusation of ignorance anything but a demonstration of your own failure at basic reading comprehension. EDIT: I should probably mention that I"m actually legitimately curious about the comparison, I haven't played any GTA games since I got my PS3.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 391	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:20:00 - [32] - Quote Savage 2: A Tortured Soul is an RTS FPS. It's actually a lot of fun and totally free. I dont think it has more players than dust however. Its old as ****.
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:24:00 - [33] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: So today C&C renegade, the original now free to play 1995 game has 3000 people online today. Jumping on both eve and dust I found dust is under this number today. With only a couple more weeks until C&C renegade X comes out, and it offering mostly everything CCP was promising but never delivered on, is anyone else switching over on feb 28th? Both games are using unreal 3, dust has cost CCP over 30 million $ while renegade X has only cost it's 4 creators 100,000$. I love dust and I can't wait to play it once it's out of beta. You know has at least all basic content. The original which you can play now The remake being played by me last week in cosed beta Because Dust 514 is a FPS RPG grindfest where the newberries get thrown into the year old vets in tiny battlefields where PVE doesn't exist to alleviate the fun they aren't having. The players who stick it out learn quick that any given month CCP will nerf something causing their stuff to suck, like the minmitar assault, because of other abusive players using what CCP never play tested. It's a perfect storm of awful that I can't help but flagellate myself with just hoping it will get better. Just most people go, well I guess i'll just play another fps rpg that doesn't like to screw me over. Yes, there are other fps rpgs though they are mostly on the computer. Free to play even, just not as polished usually... and Korean... but hey at least those games have like a monster or zombie mode or something for PVE. could you give out links to these so called korean FPS's Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden. KAMEHAMEHA professional Heavy for hire
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:35:00 - [34] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Why are there still so many people playing Tetris? That's an obvious sign that GTA V is a failure. To be fair, you made absolutely no sense. At least the OP compared two games of the same genre. On a side note, correct. GTA 5 is a failure. thats the joke buh dum tiss Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden. KAMEHAMEHA professional Heavy for hire
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:36:00 - [35] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skrimish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? can you source this ??? Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden. KAMEHAMEHA professional Heavy for hire
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1950	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:37:00 - [36] - Quote Looks a bit, cr*p actually, Ill stick to dust thanks. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1950	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:41:00 - [37] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skrimish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? Duke Nukem Forever Metal Gear Solid Revengence Battlefield 4 all 3 had WORSE development than DUST has. The team CCP head office fired just before christmas was working on eternal darkness the vampire RPGMMO shown at last fanfest. The ED was fired a while ago for REASONS Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1380	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:41:00 - [38] - Quote its dust it sucks that is all more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quite irritating no one fights on even ground
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 217	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:47:00 - [39] - Quote Dust is nothing but a a sloppy version of "generic lobby shooter". 80 million ps3's, 4k players at peak on dust lol. Dust had it's chance, now all of us "entitled console kids" are going to point and laugh. Ha ha.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:11:00 - [40] - Quote Quite often I find myself explaining ZERO based budgeting to my 15yr old. CCP may not be using ZBB, but they are using an expenditure model not too far from it. I admit to having spent more on this game than any other game, or game series; because I am patient and a self described "longterm investor" AKA Consolidated Dust. So fill your weekly SP CAP, and then go play something fun, I prefer GT6-8.15 on 24hr NURBURG ring 494hp and still chasing the Germans...now that is some poop. CCP i'll settle for the Caldari reload racial perk, but only if an increased reload time is your nerf for the RR

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 140	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:18:00 - [41] - Quote "Rise my people. I have returned, never to leave your side again. GDI sought to destroy me, but they have only made me stronger. Today, we march forward into our future. A stronger people. A divined people, enhanced for the Tiberium world. The time has come, to claim this world as our own! The time has come, to destroy GDI! One vision. One purpose! Nod is peace! Peace through power!" In the name of KANE we should, we must rise once more my brothers of NOD XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1776	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:10:00 - [42] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skrimish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? Both Tribes Ascend and Mechwarrior online have been developed more poorly than Dust. However, that isn't saying much. The problem with Dust is it's boring. For two main reasons: 1) The AR. Simply put, hitscan, high dps weapons at medium range have killed any tactical thought that was originally supposed to be the hallmark of Dust (well, that and integration into Eve which is nonexistent). 2) Lack of content - especially PVE. Their poor and slow development cycle hasn't helped Dust either, but it isn't the worst. That being said, it seems that CCP doesn't know how to make the game interesting, or their development team has been cut down so much that development only happens at a snail's pace.
Neo Rinzler Commando Perkone Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:21:00 - [43] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. Looking at Dust .. it doesn't seem that CCP do either xD
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:52:00 - [44] - Quote Neo Rinzler wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. Looking at Dust .. it doesn't seem that CCP do either xD xD release rts shooter scrap rts shooter for lobby shooter with no announcement CCP >.<
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2159	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:55:00 - [45] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skrimish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? Both Tribes Ascend and Mechwarrior online have been developed more poorly than Dust. However, that isn't saying much. The problem with Dust is it's boring. For two main reasons: 1) The AR. Simply put, hitscan, high dps weapons at medium range have killed any tactical thought that was originally supposed to be the hallmark of Dust (well, that and integration into Eve which is nonexistent). 2) Lack of content - especially PVE. Their poor and slow development cycle hasn't helped Dust either, but it isn't the worst. That being said, it seems that CCP doesn't know how to make the game interesting, or their development team has been cut down so much that development only happens at a snail's pace. Aside from the slow dev cycle, how about when CCP throw away whole game modes that are better than what we have now? Commander mode was set for release back in 2013, only days away from being done according to the devs on the forum. Being able to call in bases from space, attacking the enemy base as the red lines move, having a purpose for high speed jets. The reason renegade is so fun is you have to win by blowing up the enemy base. Dust should not be able k/d it should be war. Like it used to be...
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2159	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:57:00 - [46] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: To be honest I wasn't even aware of that game - looks fun. The rifle you're holding at the beginning does resemble a gallente assault - but the sounds are more "visceral" than Dust, although that weird "boing" sound when someone dies sounds out of place. :) yeah that "boing" sound is classic. But it's kinda outdated seeing as it's not 2002 anymore and the graphics actully look great now. Hopefully they will replace it, dust has has a good headshot sound. I love it.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2159	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:58:00 - [47] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: I can't even think of another real RTS FPS Battlezone. I still have a copy on CD somewhere around my apartment. Natural selection 2 frontlines: fual of war. (if player correctly) Planetside 2 if your crazy enough to command the war effort. Thats 3 off the top of my head. OP is being stuiped tbh Dust514 keeps it 3000-4000 playrrs nearly 23/7 renegade does not not even close most of the time. Its just had a mod realease hence its jump in popularity. Op is trolling or connected to project and doing golria marketing I just want to be clear renegade X is not a mod. Is it a brand new game made in unreal 3 that is being released as a standalone free to play title. The mod project was scraped in 2006
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote you should consider looking up information before you make jackassey posts. peak yesterday was 3800 plus, today has already hit 3500 before primetime. http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=dust
spoony moon Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:02:00 - [49] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skirmish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? can you source this ??? It'll take some forum digging but I'll see what I can come with. They did fire 90% of the team working on dust. Just watch the 2012 fnfest dust videos on youtube. It's sad what they told CCP iceland they would have ready. They lied about where dust was and when it would be ready. I'm sure Iceland is still recovering from that headache. Dust is an odd game... I've never seen producers being so out of touch with what the people making the game are doing... Like when stcky remote mines came into dust, no english speaking dev on these forums, to this day, has any idea how it got into the game or who made the change. Be ready for more of this in future. Features will be released in dust that no blue tag will be able to account for. It's part of the fun, and madness that is playing dust514.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:03:00 - [50] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skrimish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? a 'professional' in the gaming industry that can't read? that's something new.

AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 169	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:05:00 - [51] - Quote While I love both games and they share some similar game play Dust514 and C&C Renegade have many differences that ultamitly distinguish themselves from one another.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:08:00 - [52] - Quote spoony moon wrote: Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skirmish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? can you source this ??? It'll take some forum digging but I'll see what I can come with. They did fire 90% of the team working on dust. Just watch the 2012 fnfest dust videos on youtube. It's sad what they told CCP iceland they would have ready. They lied about where dust was and when it would be ready. I'm sure Iceland is still recovering from that headache. Dust is an odd game... I've never seen producers being so out of touch with what the people making the game are doing... Like when stcky remote mines came into dust, no english speaking dev on these forums, to this day, has any idea how it got into the game or who made the change. Be ready for more of this in future. Features will be released in dust that no blue tag will be able to account for. It's part of the fun, and madness that is playing dust514. you're a little confused. dust was developed on the carbon engine, and the carbon engine was too complex for the ps3 to run. if you're looking for more information watch the eve vegas dust 514 presentation. the footage in 2012 was on the carbon engine, of course. it was developed for 5 years before being redeveloped for the ps3 and unreal engine.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:13:00 - [53] - Quote Evetybody keeps sayong "carbon was too complex for the ps3", shouldn't you really be sayong "ps3 is too complex for ccp" ?
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 721	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:13:00 - [54] - Quote Hell yes command and conquer for life!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:23:00 - [55] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Evetybody keeps sayong "carbon was too complex for the ps3", shouldn't you really be saying "ps3 is too complex for ccp" ? this one is truly not understanding the world around him.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:39:00 - [56] - Quote low genius wrote: Drud Green wrote: Evetybody keeps sayong "carbon was too complex for the ps3", shouldn't you really be saying "ps3 is too complex for ccp" ? this one is truly not understanding the world around him. I can see how my statement would be kind of upsetting, especially for somebody so emotionally/financially invested.
Sarus Rambo Legion of Seven 0	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:41:00 - [57] - Quote low genius wrote: you're a little confused. dust was developed on the carbon engine, and the carbon engine was too complex for the ps3 to run. if you're looking for more information watch the eve vegas dust 514 presentation. the footage in 2012 was on the carbon engine, of course. it was developed for 5 years before being redeveloped for the ps3 and unreal engine. So they built a framework that was supposed to run on the PS3 without doing any actual testing to make sure the engine would actually work on the PS3 once serious development had begun. So they had a better game that they could have released for PC and continued developing awesome new features for on the engine they actually built, but instead decided to port everything to a very old engine for a very old console less then a year before the next gen console was release. This makes me angry. We have this square peg, and this set of holes. It doesn't fit in the round hole, better get a hammer. Disregard that square hole over there.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13073	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:45:00 - [58] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: So today C&C renegade, the original now free to play 2002 game has 3000 people online today. Jumping on both eve and dust I found dust is under this number today. With only a couple more weeks until C&C renegade X comes out, and it offering mostly everything CCP was promising but never delivered on, is anyone else switching over on feb 28th? Both games are using unreal 3, dust has cost CCP over 30 million $ while renegade X has only cost it's 4 creators 100,000$. I love dust and I can't wait to play it once it's out of beta. You know has at least all basic content. The original which you can play now The remake being played by me last week in cosed beta This is not a mod, it's a standalone title. Dude EA has had a hate affair with command and conquer lately the 3k playing are what is probably left of the thousands if not millions of CnC fans that once propelled CnC to rival Star Craft. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13073	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:46:00 - [59] - Quote spoony moon wrote: Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: OP has no clue how game development works. buhahaha other than being a professional in the games industry. News flash no game have even been developed as poorly as dust has. When they released skirmish 1.0 they bragged it would be the smallest game mode and PvE would be out in 2012. Also they fired the whole team working on dust about what, 7 months ago now? can you source this ??? It'll take some forum digging but I'll see what I can come with. They did fire 90% of the team working on dust. Just watch the 2012 fnfest dust videos on youtube. It's sad what they told CCP iceland they would have ready. They lied about where dust was and when it would be ready. I'm sure Iceland is still recovering from that headache. Dust is an odd game... I've never seen producers being so out of touch with what the people making the game are doing... Like when stcky remote mines came into dust, no english speaking dev on these forums, to this day, has any idea how it got into the game or who made the change. Be ready for more of this in future. Features will be released in dust that no blue tag will be able to account for. It's part of the fun, and madness that is playing dust514. Please do not spread baseless rumors. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 37	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:54:00 - [60] - Quote Anyone who thinks DUST is in any way an RPG, or even believes that it someday could be, needs to explain to me how it is at all. I haven't seen anything but dated, tired, fps that hasn't been innovative since BF2.



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