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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Where are all the lists of people who call in 4 or 5 tanks and ruin matches?
There hasn't been a time I've played in two or three weeks when I didn't just end up turning Dust off because of tanks. It really bothers me because there are more factors than just the tanks here.
1) I may not be fortunate enough to have tanks on my side
2) I may not have any FGers on my side
When the tanks get called in and one side dominates the field with vehicles the blueberries on their side get this boost of confidence and the are running around cleaning up the few people trying to layout mines (which seems to be the best light infantry tactic) or land swarm volleys.
The last few weeks is the lowest my KDR has been in over a year. I'm not that worried about that, but it means it's gotten expensive.
I just don't see why these win buttons are allowed in pub matches. They are ruining them. They are 1000x worse than the Calogi, the TAC rifle, the laser rifle of Chrome, all combined.
The ONLY reason I don't back out of matches when tanks are called in is because I don't want to leave my corp mates hanging.
Does calling in a Tank to counter those 4-5 HAV count as ruining the match?
Frankly speaking I'm cool with 3 HAV per side in a match....would be better if there were objectives and or control points HAV and vehicle users could work on outside of the infantry combat zone.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:24:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Where are all the lists of people who call in 4 or 5 tanks and ruin matches?
There hasn't been a time I've played in two or three weeks when I didn't just end up turning Dust off because of tanks. It really bothers me because there are more factors than just the tanks here.
1) I may not be fortunate enough to have tanks on my side
2) I may not have any FGers on my side
When the tanks get called in and one side dominates the field with vehicles the blueberries on their side get this boost of confidence and the are running around cleaning up the few people trying to layout mines (which seems to be the best light infantry tactic) or land swarm volleys.
The last few weeks is the lowest my KDR has been in over a year. I'm not that worried about that, but it means it's gotten expensive.
I just don't see why these win buttons are allowed in pub matches. They are ruining them. They are 1000x worse than the Calogi, the TAC rifle, the laser rifle of Chrome, all combined.
The ONLY reason I don't back out of matches when tanks are called in is because I don't want to leave my corp mates hanging. Does calling in a Tank to counter those 4-5 HAV count as ruining the match? Frankly speaking I'm cool with 3 HAV per side in a match....would be better if there were objectives and or control points HAV and vehicle users could work on outside of the infantry combat zone. Totally agree with all that, the way it is now is not cool. Maps designed for tanks and no man's land for infantry (have to use a vehicle to get from point A to point B) would be cool, but we don't have that. In the meantime, AV needs to kill tanks. Wikomi swarm launcher Damage mods Pg and cpu upgrade Cloak 1 hp increasing item A tiny swarm buff
True but we have to consider not only do we need to be careful in how we request AV buffs....because you have to remember that MAV, and MTAC will be eventually available to us.
I would rather we saw AV get very minor bonuses to damage models, and redesigned the purpose of tanks of the field, reducing the pilots capacity to run anti infantry fits. In place of this I would suggest racial anti vehicle cannon as the HAV's primary means of delivering fire power. Requiring skill shots to hit smaller targets, keeping HAV vs HAV combat flexible and tactical, and allowing the HAV to keep its much needed resilience.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:26:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:How about 4?
Even then you are doing it wrong.
2 at most is required to effectively drop a tank.
Hard to solo one, really hard. 2 People should drop one easy. If I get away from 3x people shooting at me, they are just bad AV players.
I however armour tank, if a breach forge catches me in the open with a swarmer for DPS....so help me I am a goner, unless I can get out of range or break the missile lock.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:48:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm aware of jihad jeeps and I don't disagree with their use. I guess I just can't believe there isn't absolute outrage that AV weapons with millions of SP have been nerfed to the ground while vehicles have become win buttons.
And the answer is a BPO LAV and REs. Really? Our voices got hoarse. I myself said screw it and dumped lots of sp into heavies and forges so I can be allowed to enjoy the game again. Right now i'll clue you in, most the people shooting you down in this thread are tankers or they run with tankers. I'm one of the few people that do not have their heads shoved so far up their ass that they can't acknowledge a broken mechanic that is killing a game that we all seem to like by driving away any new players. Kind of hard to kill tanks when you don't have the prerequisite sp. And although newberries can just embrace the spam not everyone wants to play a combined arms game where the only real option given to them is to tank. WoT is a better tank RPG, new players have no reason to stick out 1.7 and we honestly can't promise them things will get better as we all know CCP doesn't test their **** first.
I am a Tanker yeah.
But for weeks now I have been pointing out how broken Tanks are, and its not because of its current module lay outs. It comes down to cost, base stats, and lack of a specific role.
2 AVers should me more than sufficient enough to drop any tank on the map.
Still the current HAV needs work.
My suggestion is removed Anti Infantry Large turrets and make HAV Anti Vehicle units, with their current resilience, and racial variants of the Railgun. BUff AV slight, very slightly, Increase cost significantly, and reduce the Large Turrets vertical barrel movement.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:02:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:True Adamance wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm aware of jihad jeeps and I don't disagree with their use. I guess I just can't believe there isn't absolute outrage that AV weapons with millions of SP have been nerfed to the ground while vehicles have become win buttons.
And the answer is a BPO LAV and REs. Really? Our voices got hoarse. I myself said screw it and dumped lots of sp into heavies and forges so I can be allowed to enjoy the game again. Right now i'll clue you in, most the people shooting you down in this thread are tankers or they run with tankers. I'm one of the few people that do not have their heads shoved so far up their ass that they can't acknowledge a broken mechanic that is killing a game that we all seem to like by driving away any new players. Kind of hard to kill tanks when you don't have the prerequisite sp. And although newberries can just embrace the spam not everyone wants to play a combined arms game where the only real option given to them is to tank. WoT is a better tank RPG, new players have no reason to stick out 1.7 and we honestly can't promise them things will get better as we all know CCP doesn't test their **** first. I am a Tanker yeah. But for weeks now I have been pointing out how broken Tanks are, and its not because of its current module lay outs. It comes down to cost, base stats, and lack of a specific role. 2 AVers should me more than sufficient enough to drop any tank on the map. Still the current HAV needs work. My suggestion is removed Anti Infantry Large turrets and make HAV Anti Vehicle units, with their current resilience, and racial variants of the Railgun. BUff AV slight, very slightly, Increase cost significantly, and reduce the Large Turrets vertical barrel movement. Well, I agree with everything besides the modules. HAV's should only be allowed a single Hardener, or at the very least somehow add in a stacking penalty (would probably be troublesome to code however). Until MAV's come into the picture, HAV's simply HAVE to be equivalent to the current weapons and playstyles available. Changing their turret to be Anti-Vehicle only would do absolute wonders in the current environment, as well as make an easy transition when MAV's are finally released. MAV's should be the infantry killer, and be as easily soloable from the infantry perspective. But until then, HAV's imo need to be able to be solo'd by a pro(skillfull) AVer for cohesive game balance. I'm not saying a MLT Forge Gun should tear through an HAV with ease, but having a Proto Forge gun with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods need to dominate as much as a STD HAV hull with proto Mods fitted onto it. This is a rock/paper/scissors, not rock/rock/rock.
I liked the old model for Hardeners. Where you could mix and match, have high res for X seconds or a more even % across a minute.
Indeed but then you need to consider that MAV and MTAC need a place on the battlefield proportionate to what they are.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:23:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:True Adamance wrote:
I liked the old model for Hardeners. Where you could mix and match, have high res for X seconds or a more even % across a minute.
Indeed but then you need to consider that MAV and MTAC need a place on the battlefield proportionate to what they are.
CCP as usual forced themselves into a rock and a hard place with their view of "the big picture". I'm sure when all the many AV weapons and variations of HAV's and MAV's come into the picture things might make sense in the world of balance. Sadly that is a part of their "10 year plan" and we are unable to perceive the possible future it might hold. I feel MAV's should belong to two roles : Infantry dominance and transport dominance. An MAV who's sole purpose is to roll around making infantry hate life. And an MAV that is able to transport a full squad around the battlefield effectively. Support vehicles such as the ability to repair other vehicles i think should stay in the realm of LAVs. I feel entirely ignorant ; MTAC's? 
MAV to me represent the bridgeing between vehicles and infantry. They would e APC, designed to support any infantry squad either in terms of utility with repers and MCRU, or with medium turrets.
MTACS are large industrial mech units capable of fitting military grade weapons.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:49:00 -
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Face palm when four scrubs in Sicas think they are hot **** cause they can all shoot at the same enemy target......
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Posted - 2014.02.13 11:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Duran Lex wrote:True Adamance wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm aware of jihad jeeps and I don't disagree with their use. I guess I just can't believe there isn't absolute outrage that AV weapons with millions of SP have been nerfed to the ground while vehicles have become win buttons.
And the answer is a BPO LAV and REs. Really? Our voices got hoarse. I myself said screw it and dumped lots of sp into heavies and forges so I can be allowed to enjoy the game again. Right now i'll clue you in, most the people shooting you down in this thread are tankers or they run with tankers. I'm one of the few people that do not have their heads shoved so far up their ass that they can't acknowledge a broken mechanic that is killing a game that we all seem to like by driving away any new players. Kind of hard to kill tanks when you don't have the prerequisite sp. And although newberries can just embrace the spam not everyone wants to play a combined arms game where the only real option given to them is to tank. WoT is a better tank RPG, new players have no reason to stick out 1.7 and we honestly can't promise them things will get better as we all know CCP doesn't test their **** first. I am a Tanker yeah. But for weeks now I have been pointing out how broken Tanks are, and its not because of its current module lay outs. It comes down to cost, base stats, and lack of a specific role. 2 AVers should me more than sufficient enough to drop any tank on the map. Still the current HAV needs work. My suggestion is removed Anti Infantry Large turrets and make HAV Anti Vehicle units, with their current resilience, and racial variants of the Railgun. BUff AV slight, very slightly, Increase cost significantly, and reduce the Large Turrets vertical barrel movement. Well, I agree with everything besides the modules. HAV's should only be allowed a single Hardener, or at the very least somehow add in a stacking penalty (would probably be troublesome to code however). Until MAV's come into the picture, HAV's simply HAVE to be equivalent to the current weapons and playstyles available. Changing their turret to be Anti-Vehicle only would do absolute wonders in the current environment, as well as make an easy transition when MAV's are finally released. MAV's should be the infantry killer, and be as easily soloable from the infantry perspective. But until then, HAV's imo need to be able to be solo'd by a pro(skillfull) AVer for cohesive game balance. I'm not saying a MLT Forge Gun should tear through an HAV with ease, but having a Proto Forge gun with prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods need to dominate as much as a STD HAV hull with proto Mods fitted onto it. This is a rock/paper/scissors, not rock/rock/rock. One hardener? LOL who are you? Do you even tank? Who the hell are you to decide how I'm supposed to fit my tank?
Admittedly
Balance > What Spkr wants.....
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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