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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 103	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:21:00 - [1] - Quote I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m.......
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 842	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:25:00 - [2] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... No, you shouldn't. DS3 is better at pretty much everything except sniping at the moment. Perhaps you should turn on Aim Assist. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3182	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:29:00 - [3] - Quote You should have replicated the floor and then rose up to shock and nova knife them Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 128	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:30:00 - [4] - Quote stamina Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 209	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:38:00 - [5] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... No, you shouldn't. DS3 is better at pretty much everything except sniping at the moment. Perhaps you should turn on Aim Assist. ^^^This. As someone who prefers native KB/M support over DS3 mouse emulation(FragFX, XIM, Aimon, Etc..). I have given up on using a real mouse(RAT7) in this game, & have broken out my 5 year old AimonPS. My average KDR has more than doubled since the switch. Even though it doesn't quite "feel" right compared to native mouse input, it is simply more effective. I will admit that if my RAT7 didn't malfunction on me, I may not have even realize how bad the KB/M support is Dust514. But I won't even consider going back until they give us custom key bindings.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 375	Posted - 2014.02.12 02:15:00 - [6] - Quote Spray and pray ... spray and pray. It cheapens game play does it not ..??.. and seems more accurate than aiming at times. It would actually be nice if in gun battles one would have to account for changes in positioning , distance and terrain but that's too much like right. Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1033	Posted - 2014.02.12 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote practice
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4118	Posted - 2014.02.12 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote The art of pray and spray cannot be taught. You will simply develop it when you need it most. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 474	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:35:00 - [9] - Quote Closed beta vets, most likely. Back in those days, strafing and bunny hopping was literally the only thing that mattered to survive. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
snazzbear PiZzA DuDeS 24	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote play unreal tournament and come back here. Honestly how often do you ADS?

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9058	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:50:00 - [11] - Quote This thread explains it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139357 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2391	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:53:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: practice Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3017	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:54:00 - [13] - Quote snazzbear wrote: play unreal tournament and come back here. Honestly how often do you ADS? About 90%. You? // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4964	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:54:00 - [14] - Quote Back before aim assist, keyboard and mouse used to be king. You could jump, strafe left and right faster than any DS3 user, and have perfect aim. Now, it is highly outclassed by aim assist on DS3. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 251	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:56:00 - [15] - Quote Legs.
Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 651	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:57:00 - [16] - Quote Usually the X button. Closed beta anyone?
neausea 1987 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 18	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:06:00 - [17] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: practice its not that hard (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ what i do to proto suit users
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6978	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:06:00 - [18] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... I was considering do that as well actually, just so I could have the strafe advantage. Given that I think I would win a **** ton more gun fights. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
snazzbear PiZzA DuDeS 24	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:12:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: snazzbear wrote: play unreal tournament and come back here. Honestly how often do you ADS? About 90%. You? For the most part I just use hip fire. Works well enough with an AR, and well most weapons. cept rails. I wouldn't say try this with RRs
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 457	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:16:00 - [20] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... No, you shouldn't. KBM is severely handicapped at pretty much everything except sniping at the moment. Perhaps you should turn on the aimbot. FTFY

noobsniper the 2nd POISION ROSES Galactic Skyfleet Empire 145	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:34:00 - [21] - Quote Learn to aim pal its pretty easy u just gotta move the right stick just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 351	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:38:00 - [22] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... It's like any FPS on any system/PC ever. Jump, strafe and shoot. I do it all the time. My favorite is jumping off a building and laying waste to the enemies below me before I hit the ground.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 610	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:40:00 - [23] - Quote Well trust me aiming with KB/M right now is hard work. It feels like someone has took your mouse and done terrible hideous things to it. And all of this talk that KB/M can strafe faster is total nonsense. Aim Assist is the main thing keeping the game the way it is. I would love to see AA turned down further or even just out right removed to be honest. Go back to people actually having to aim again. (Oh the horror, aiming for yourself in an FPS game... I know its shocking)
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 511	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:49:00 - [24] - Quote snazzbear wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: snazzbear wrote: play unreal tournament and come back here. Honestly how often do you ADS? About 90%. You? For the most part I just use hip fire. Works well enough with an AR, and well most weapons. cept rails. I wouldn't say try this with RRs HAH. I've killed people at 30m+ with just RR hipfire. Aim assist for hip fire is absolutely magical. Try it out some time, you'll be shocked. ADS is overrated inside the 50m range, especially given how much ADS reduces your all-important strafe speed.
snazzbear PiZzA DuDeS 24	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:52:00 - [25] - Quote Didn't say it wasn't possible, I just wouldn't recommend actively doing it :p
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1686	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:55:00 - [26] - Quote If anyone thinks that kb/m is why this happens, you only need to try playing with kb/m to see that it's pretty much like this: http://a.gifb.in/1232550737_predator%20duck%20hunt1.gif
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2904	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:55:00 - [27] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The art of pray and spray cannot be taught. You will simply develop it when you need it most. I wouldn't call it "Spray and Pray", but...... It's just good FPS skill to know when and when not to ADS. Sometimes, firing from the hip is a better solution than ADS'ing (Even if you waste more bullets). At the same time, you gotta know when to ADS as well. It just comes with practice and experience. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 765	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:11:00 - [28] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Back before aim assist, keyboard and mouse used to be king. You could jump, strafe left and right faster than any DS3 user, and have perfect aim. Now, it is highly outclassed by aim assist on DS3. Aim assist has little to do with kb/m not being king. After Uprising hit kb/m went to complete sh!t; it literally felt like something was pushing my aim away from the people I was trying to shoot like two magnets with the same polarization and it was nearly impossible to select anything on the radial menu that wasn't directly up, right, or down. I use it after every update and after every update it's still sh!tty. Support Orbital Spawns
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 514	Posted - 2014.02.12 06:16:00 - [29] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: If anyone thinks that kb/m is why this happens, you only need to try playing with kb/m to see that it's pretty much like this: http://a.gifb.in/1232550737_predator%20duck%20hunt1.gif QFT. As a long-time PC FPS player, I would punch a kitten in the face for raw mouse input in Dust. Until then, DS3 and DS3 only.
Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 196	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:33:00 - [30] - Quote People mention this in terms of AA and 'spray and pray'...I and many others I'm sure do this with shotguns. It's usually the best way to finish a target/stay alive when they are not subject to OHK due to tanking (imo). You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1560	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:03:00 - [31] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The art of pray and spray cannot be taught. You will simply develop it when you need it most. I wouldn't call it "Spray and Pray", but...... It's just good FPS skill to know when and when not to ADS. Sometimes, firing from the hip is a better solution than ADS'ing (Even if you waste more bullets). At the same time, you gotta know when to ADS as well. It just comes with practice and experience. ^ These guys are fearsome opponents and make a good point, Terminator. It's time and practice. Eventually you get better by virtue of having survived so many FUBAR'ed situations. When there's no time to think and you're in a bad position instinct has to kick in and keep you alive until you have the luxury of making choices again. Although it sucks for the ego it can really help to throw yourself into some of those messed up situations just to practice staying alive under pressure. Once you feel comfortable in a cluserfuck you can start to exercise a little more cunning and optimize the kdr. I support SP rollover.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:13:00 - [32] - Quote Additionally, as you get better at doing jump-shots, you'll also get better at shooting down jumpers or timing your rounds to where they'll land at. Its the same predictive reasoning. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 656	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:48:00 - [33] - Quote snazzbear wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: snazzbear wrote: play unreal tournament and come back here. Honestly how often do you ADS? About 90%. You? For the most part I just use hip fire. Works well enough with an AR, and well most weapons. cept rails. I wouldn't say try this with RRs True, RR struggles at medium range. Hip fire doesn't work like it does with AR for some reason, and ADS doesn't track quick enough.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:48:00 - [34] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can strafe using the ps3 controller, but some people bounce of walls and still able to shoot me. How do they do it? are they using k/m? Maybe I should switch to k/m....... They can bounce all over the place and still hit you the same way they can dodge 2000 rounds a minute at 15 M simply by running back and forth (dancing through the stream of fire mind you) and still outgun an HMG and "heavy" suit, (again hitting you with pinpoint accuracy) with an assault rifle, scrambler rifle, rail rifle, combat rifle, BB rifle, paintball rifle, spitball rifle, water balloon rifle, laser tag rifle, boiled macaroni rifle, cuddly puppy rifle, tofu on a stick rifle, rifle through the trash rifle, or any other rifle they decide to put into this game! It's the magically delicious realism of Dust 514.
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated 9	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:55:00 - [35] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Usually the X button. DozersMouse XIII wrote: stamina these Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:45:00 - [36] - Quote only ADS if you are at long range. Never ADS if you are at close range. Strafing is far more important then slow walking while ADSing, when you are ADSing in cqc they are strafing landing all their hipfire on your stationary ass. That's why the TTK has dropped so dramatically, because bullets no longer hit every 5th shot. Better net code led to lower TTK, which is why in 1.8 they are lowering damage, as high damage was a band aid for bad net code.


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