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Nephiliel Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 32	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve?
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 428	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:01:00 - [2] - Quote Exploiting PC mechanics.
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 324	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:02:00 - [3] - Quote Corp leaders (donations/PC), grinding can get 100m every 2-3 weeks, scamming. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
Cyrius Li-Moody 3518	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote I'll sell you my secret. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 179	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:03:00 - [5] - Quote Abusing the broken PC ISK generation system. And abusing taxes by inviting anyone and everyone to their corp so they have a large player base, then taxing the hell out of them. Justifying the tax by saying "we need it for PC and to help new players guise!" Rofl
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 480	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:03:00 - [6] - Quote I do it by talking in epic voices.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 728	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:19:00 - [7] - Quote Sounds clich+¬ at this point but I simply insure that I make more money then I lose each match. It's really that simple. Stick with ADV suits and if you feel things going south you can switch to STD to remain effective but cheap, MLT to be cheap and ineffective, or Starter to just stop wasting ISK. Not gonna lie though...the stuff these guys said isn't exactly misleading. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 29	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:22:00 - [8] - Quote Don't run a logi, an advanced logi is 50k each. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 467	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: I do it by talking in epic voices. Morgan Freeman plays dust?! Life is killing me.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:25:00 - [10] - Quote Don't use expensive gear. Also don't die. Dying costs money. Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2563	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:27:00 - [11] - Quote Start your own corp, get members, take over PC Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK Richest Dust corp per capita, 100% corp activity ;-)
Teilka Darkmist 262	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:28:00 - [12] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? They stopped transfers from eve a while back, so some of it may be from that, but I wouldn't think all that much overall. I'm at just over 2 mill atm and I'm trying to bring that up by running Militia suits and BPOs almost exclusively. When you don't have to pay to replace equipment all the reward is profit. That and it gives me a chance to try out different play styles without much in the way of investment. There are services which will take isk from you in EvE to give to your dust character, but they're entirely player run, with the inherent risks involved in that. Plus they usually have an exchange rate. Woman. Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not. Not a KDR Worshipper.
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 494	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:45:00 - [13] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Abusing the broken PC ISK generation system. And abusing taxes by inviting anyone and everyone to their corp so they have a large player base, then taxing the hell out of them. Justifying the tax by saying "we need it for PC and to help new players guise!" Rofl you can't invite people to corps... they need to apply. PS ML has a 0% tax rate. Thr33 is the magic number.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 377	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:49:00 - [14] - Quote Il tells you how to get hundreds of thousands of isk Be a drop ship pilot "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9309	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote A lot of people have massive quantities of ISK from the Uprising refund. I gave away hundreds of millions and still have enough to ensure I can live comfortably/protostomp all the time for a very, very long time. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:51:00 - [16] - Quote Most of us made our isk by doubling it. Send me whatever amount of isk you have and I'll double it.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 215	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:52:00 - [17] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Don't run a logi, an advanced logi is 50k each. Run a Logi! Dren BPO with all BPO gear and equipment is 0k each! "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 824	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I'll sell you my secret. Please do... *Assassination is my thing.*
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 583	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:55:00 - [19] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? 99% of the isk profit is from farming PC districts. Locking them generates 8-10million a day per district without the fear of losing the districts. If a corp has about 10 districts then they can pull in roughly 100million a day, 700million a week. If you distribute that evenly to your corp members, which is what most of the large corps do, then each corp member can make on average of 15mil a week. Considering the fact that it's really difficult to spend this money in a week, one can potentially just keep making profit every week. Another way is what some of us noobs do, we run in militia gear (blueprints that we got before they removed them) and we can run in potentially free suits all day long, or very low cost suits like 3-13k per suit. So a huge majority of the money you make in a match is profit. Then the last 1% is corp theft, scamming, and/or selling those heavy BPO's. (Though I'm not familiar with how that works) Newb
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood 922	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:56:00 - [20] - Quote I made my ~200m isk through budgeting, the only PC isk can from actual play and wins. ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...

Mr Retsof VI Retsof Investments 0	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote you should stop by my office at Retsof Investments.... here's how it works, you send me all the isk you have now, then I'll tell you how to never be broke again....
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1606	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:59:00 - [22] - Quote I play in cheap fits and don't care of my kdr (it does not mean launch myself inside a nest of proto heavies) 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 494	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:01:00 - [23] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I made my ~200m isk through budgeting, the only PC isk can from actual play and wins. How you make money crashing Gold bricks into the ground is beyond me. Dave Ramsey has taught you well. Thr33 is the magic number.
noobsniper the 2nd POISION ROSES Galactic Skyfleet Empire 143	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:07:00 - [24] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: I do it by talking in epic voices. I can confirm this btw we need to have another latenight talk show just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 733	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:09:00 - [25] - Quote We get weekly paychecks from our corp based on PC matches played, and payouts from being hired ringers. Its a more fair system than simply being in the corp and getting cash for just being there IMHO. Its not a HUGE paycheck (>10 on average) but it covers the costs of gear lost during PC, and gives us a little profit at the same time. I burned through all my uprising funds donating it to newer players, and testing things out. (I went through a month phase where I would send 10 million to the LVP who I actually saw trying each match that I played. You know the ones, they try so hard to help out but they just end up getting screwed over at every turn, they try to stick with your squad, but they get sniped after every spawn, random grenades or bullets kill them out of nowhere...You can tell when someone is horrible at something but is at least making the effort) I'm back up to 240 mill mostly from running standard fits in 99% of my games. My main logi suit that is still helpful to my team only costs me $18k, and if I want more tank I switch to the raven assault suit with all bpo gear. 650 EHP and all BPO stuff for a total cost per death of $0. Running cheap fits, one can make upwards of 12 mill a week. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2216	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:10:00 - [26] - Quote Ambush and Cheap gear. Run 6 a day and that's 1 mil every day in profit. Rinse and repeat for 100-200 days. Edit:also try to keep your fits under 10k(the lower the better) and try to keep your deaths under 10(the lower the better) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2376	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:11:00 - [27] - Quote Abuse a broken mechanic on a broken game written with broken code. Have no fear, they won't jump off of their broken asses to fix it either. You stay broke. Accept your broken fate. Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3015	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:14:00 - [28] - Quote Two big buy-backs of stuff by CCP certainly helped. I tend to break even on my profit and loss plus I tend to have a wide variety of equipment in inventory. Training into Assault Dropships took a big chunk of cash but I've mostly earned that back now. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Nephiliel Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 32	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:23:00 - [29] - Quote Well I have 20 mill thanks to the uprising refund. Still have 23 mil but just wondering how to get more. Now I know. I forgot ambush gives you the same amount of isk for a shorter period of time. I shall be running that now since Ive sp capped. Thanks guys it was very helpful
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 126	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:28:00 - [30] - Quote stack your isk by running fits under 10k use your SP to upgrade core and passive skills get 1st - 3rd place in your pub matches use your starter/bpo fits more then anything else I myself use bpo scout suits with over 16 million SP invested into core around 13 million invested in weapons and my racial scout is maxed a usual loadout for me would be bpo scout - racial at level 5 high slot - militia light damage mod low slot - militia profile damp low slot - complex cardiac regulator equipment - advanced uplink grenade - packed AV light weapon - standard combat rifle sidearm - syndicate smg my weapons have operation 5 and level four everything else now with a fit like this you can duplicate it and ad the other 2 advanced uplinks making 3 fits, 6 uplinks, and allot of warpoints for cheap label them something like 1-3 and cycle thru them as you die Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

Nirwanda Vaughns 331	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:30:00 - [31] - Quote vets its mainly from the salvage refund. noobs its from spending couple hours a da doing the whole biomass thing. ou can have 16 accoutns on a playstation 3. if 15 of those use all 3 chars to biomass that 1.5mill isk per account per day so 22.5 mill in total. plus 1mill a day fromt he 2 spare char slots on your main account then if ou grind ambush in a basic logi suit ou can earn about 1mill an hour profit depending on performance Proto and proud!!
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 348	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:31:00 - [32] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: I do it by talking in epic voices. But you're never on mic! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
toasterwaffles THE IMMORTAL L3GI0N 19	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:36:00 - [33] - Quote Grinding ambush with free fittings for long periods of time Check out our site
Mr Retsof VI Retsof Investments 1	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:44:00 - [34] - Quote it hurts me inside to see some of these things that people are doing for iskies.... seriously, you need to stop by my office. think of me as the crooked, underhanded lawyer that everyone hates.....but my clients always seem to walk out of the courthouse and into those long black Quafe Company limos.....
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:50:00 - [35] - Quote I don't have 100,000,000, ISK, but I thought it was a miracle that I even got to 5,000,000 and basically what you have to do is use your starter fit and just rank up those WPs. I don't like seeing things blink Blue...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3109	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:56:00 - [36] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? I got a few hundred million from the salvage refund, but since then I've earned another couple of hundred just because I hardly ever run advanced or proto weapons or suits. No.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 550	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:02:00 - [37] - Quote Get a job. Some corps pay their officers and recruiters. If you have skills and are decent at training recruits I know a few CEOs that need officers. Who wants some?
J0LLY R0G3R 0uter.Heaven 467	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:07:00 - [38] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I'll sell you my secret. I'll sell you mine for half price. XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:09:00 - [39] - Quote Uprising refund was pretty spectacular for most of us. You were getting 5 dropships at a time (one game I got 20 dropships, 5 prototype logistics, 5 advanced swarm launchers, and 2 locus grenades; yes, dropships came in batches of 5 but be sure to only give out 2 grenades at a time...) so there are people that had over 100. That huge influx of cash put me to about 100 million or so but it has obviously dwindled to about 70 as I am a tank driver. Other got over 250+ million isk from that payout. From there, if you run ISK positive or just barely negative, you can keep your fortune safe. Most of the people that have hundreds of millions are probably CEO's or Directors of corporations and treat the Corporate Wallet like their own personal piggie bank. If you have 200 members playing 3 matches a day getting 150k each with a 5% tax rate, you are looking at 4.5 million isk a day and that is easily a very conservative numbers. The big shots in the corp take the money for themselves. People can easily have a tidy sum by the simple concept of "get more than you spend." If you play 3 matches a day, get 220k a match, spend less than 10k per suit, and just die less than 12 times over those matches, that is a half million a day. Give it a month, that's over 15 million. It adds up very quickly. Run Militia or BPO and the cost per death can drop to less than 1,000 isk meaning more money.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 549	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:18:00 - [40] - Quote Don't forget the additonal buyback of vehicles with 1.7. Those of us who managed to get the 100 Falchions from that one event logged in to find an extra 200m ISK on the day 1.7 deployed. I contribute nothing.

calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1451	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:19:00 - [41] - Quote My 200 Million was through hard work and putting up with the BS. Plus I run cheap suits and I set a budget, I stick to the budget and that helps me make 5-10 million a week. A heavy before 1.8
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:21:00 - [42] - Quote calvin b wrote: My 200 Million was through hard work and putting up with the BS. Plus I run cheap suits and I set a budget, I stick to the budget and that helps me make 5-10 million a week. Plus he uses scrubby jihad jeeps instead of actually killing tanks with AV or another tank. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1 Prof. V srub
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood 465	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:22:00 - [43] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? maybe just good at the game ?? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5697	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:30:00 - [44] - Quote BPO's. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1217	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:39:00 - [45] - Quote put a price tag in every fit HMG SMG 8K militia heavy, complex heavy damage mod, militia smg, basic hmg, militia repper plate ex sca-n low db 8k militia logi scanner , exile or militia ar, militia damage mod, militia repper plate , militia dampener, compact hive yes I have proto fits .....but meh! more fun to kill using militia even more fun killing enemy proto fits but what do I know as my gungame is limited by both age and a slow internet where I am at. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:42:00 - [46] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Don't run a logi, an advanced logi is 50k each. but you can still die like 4times and still make a profit
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 165	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:51:00 - [47] - Quote 1) die less 2) don't run proto all the time 3) restock in bulk 4) try to keep pub suit below 60k 5) run with squad 6) make alt to hold extra isk 7) FLANK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 542	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:51:00 - [48] - Quote LOL PC and afking for most super rich I'd guess. I ted to break even so most of my liquid isk came from the chromo refund. CCP seriously needs to do that again if they are going to delay the ability to sell back loot. CCP your matchmaking sucks Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 216	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:51:00 - [49] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: calvin b wrote: My 200 Million was through hard work and putting up with the BS. Plus I run cheap suits and I set a budget, I stick to the budget and that helps me make 5-10 million a week. Plus he uses scrubby jihad jeeps instead of actually killing tanks with AV or another tank. Jihad jeeps = AV. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2014	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:54:00 - [50] - Quote Being a rich Eve player and buying ISK from Kain. I Am The Danger*

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3171	Posted - 2014.02.11 23:56:00 - [51] - Quote Ayures II wrote: Exploiting PC mechanics. /thread Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 85	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:03:00 - [52] - Quote I got my isk by selling propane and propane accessories I tell you what. Really just farmed skirmishes in cheap but effective fittings. Level 5 proficiency in throat punching
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 177	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:06:00 - [53] - Quote Think I had maybe 25M from the refund when I came back 1.2 or 3. 150M now, pretty much just from pubs, and I've given away a good 40-50M on top of that. My most expensive pub fitting is an Adv Amarr Assault fit with a mix of Basic/Enh gear at ~16k, recently raised from 12kish due to replacing a Militia Plate with an Enhanced. I still run much cheaper ones pretty regularly. My Commando alt created in November has like 60-70M, another (Minja/Min Assault) I started playing around Christmas/New Year's is at about 35M, both with no donations. Design your fittings carefully and play smart. It isn't that hard.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1452	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:06:00 - [54] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: calvin b wrote: My 200 Million was through hard work and putting up with the BS. Plus I run cheap suits and I set a budget, I stick to the budget and that helps me make 5-10 million a week. Plus he uses scrubby jihad jeeps instead of actually killing tanks with AV or another tank. Thats right I am D*** proud of it. My jeep of death cost me 0 ISK think on that fact. I would use AV but at the moment it is worthless when you have a fleet of scrub ass blaster militia tanks camping your red line, you have to do whatever you can to even the odds. A heavy before 1.8
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 4506	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:07:00 - [55] - Quote Being a vet is one way, CCP sold all our crap for isk at one point. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 469	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:00:00 - [56] - Quote uprising refund, pc, and BPOs... all of which new players don't have access to. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 555	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:03:00 - [57] - Quote Again get a job. Post in local. Or go to corp recruitment page and drop off a resume. If someone finds your skills valuable they will pay you. Who wants some?
Scar Scrilla UN1TED NATIONS 117	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:05:00 - [58] - Quote I'm selling wrecked tanks "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" -Mostly Heavies- Join our public channel: UN1TE
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2166	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:22:00 - [59] - Quote Start a corp, spam invites to every person you see. Set tax rate to between 5-20% depending on how many people care. Profit. This lesson brought to you by: Faction Warfare Army. Bringing 20 mill isk each day to ContraBanJoe. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 558	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:25:00 - [60] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Start a corp, spam invites to every person you see. Set tax rate to between 5-20% depending on how many people care. Profit. This lesson brought to you by: Faction Warfare Army. Bringing 20 mill isk each day to ContraBanJoe. I told a few about this in my local and they just kept spamming"fwarm". Joe trains em good. They have no clue and don't want to. Who wants some?

DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 128	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:29:00 - [61] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Start a corp, spam invites to every person you see. Set tax rate to between 5-20% depending on how many people care. Profit. This lesson brought to you by: Faction Warfare Army. Bringing 20 mill isk each day to ContraBanJoe. I told a few about this in my local and they just kept spamming"fwarm". Joe trains em good. They have no clue and don't want to. MESSAGE: dont drink contrabanjoe's kool-aid Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 561	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:34:00 - [62] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Start a corp, spam invites to every person you see. Set tax rate to between 5-20% depending on how many people care. Profit. This lesson brought to you by: Faction Warfare Army. Bringing 20 mill isk each day to ContraBanJoe. I told a few about this in my local and they just kept spamming"fwarm". Joe trains em good. They have no clue and don't want to. MESSAGE: dont drink contrabanjoe's kool-aid you've been jim jonesed Who wants some?
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 91	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:39:00 - [63] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A lot of people have massive quantities of ISK from the Uprising refund. I gave away hundreds of millions and still have enough to ensure I can live comfortably/protostomp all the time for a very, very long time. I've made about 40M from playing (oftentimes most of my suits are in the 20K range), but I did receive 120M from the uprising refund due to LOTS of expensive salvage (dropships, tnaks, etc) back then. Now days its the <20K suits that makes the ISK (and the 100K+ suits that blow the ISK)
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2021	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:42:00 - [64] - Quote Not that I haven't spammed the forums enough already; however, I am running a lottery (Dust Challenge Lottery) that is ending tomorrow at 7pm EST. The pot is currently at 406.5 Million ISK. You could always try your luck. Yes, you can buy tickets; however, it's not necessary with the challenge writing and completion component. Follow the link if you're interested. [Dust Challenge Lottery] I Am The Danger*
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 561	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:43:00 - [65] - Quote Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. Who wants some?
Nephiliel Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 32	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:43:00 - [66] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Not that I haven't spammed the forums enough already; however, I am running a lottery (Dust Challenge Lottery) that is ending tomorrow at 7pm EST. The pot is currently at 406.5 Million ISK. You could always try your luck. Yes, you can buy tickets; however, it's not necessary with the challenge writing and completion component. Follow the link if you're interested. [Dust Challenge Lottery] I did but I am not a gambling man. Sorry
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 604	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:47:00 - [67] - Quote While it is true that lots of us recieved a nice handsome amount of isk in exchange for our salvage, that isk went very fast when assault dropships came out let me tell you! I just ground out 150m isk over the past weeks and months. I sent all of this to my alt for safe keeping. Now im back to about 4m and will proceed to grind out more isk, bit by bit. I use starter fits a hell of a lot, I also use the militia forge and sometimes militia fit standard logi bros. I keep it super cheap. It is very possible to grind out 50 mill, 100 mill, 200 mill etc.... My personal goal is 1 billion isk. It sounds a lot but I am making good steady progress. The best thing is , this is all off my own back. No pc battle isk, no PC farm passive income, just grind and more grind. So ANYONE saying they have no isk, well you do have ways to make isk. You just have to be prepared to take a hit to your KDR. Personally I am not hugely bothered by my KDR but it was around 2. something and now it has dropped to about 1.7 / 1.8 and it will probably fall further. (Not impressive stats by anyone's standards but still - it is what it is)
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2021	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:47:00 - [68] - Quote Not even a community participation man? DJINN B4lock wrote: [Challenge Submission] Submitting a challenge idea with a description and reasoned argument for a ticket value awards 1 ticket. I Am The Danger*
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2021	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:49:00 - [69] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: While it is true that lots of us recieved a nice handsome amount of isk in exchange for our salvage, that isk went very fast when assault dropships came out let me tell you! I just ground out 150m isk over the past weeks and months. I sent all of this to my alt for safe keeping. Now im back to about 4m and will proceed to grind out more isk, bit by bit. I use starter fits a hell of a lot, I also use the militia forge and sometimes militia fit standard logi bros. I keep it super cheap. It is very possible to grind out 50 mill, 100 mill, 200 mill etc.... My personal goal is 1 billion isk. It sounds a lot but I am making good steady progress. The best thing is , this is all off my own back. No pc battle isk, no PC farm passive income, just grind and more grind. So ANYONE saying they have no isk, well you do have ways to make isk. You just have to be prepared to take a hit to your KDR. Personally I am not hugely bothered by my KDR but it was around 2. something and now it has dropped to about 1.7 / 1.8 and it will probably fall further. (Not impressive stats by anyone's standards but still - it is what it is) Sounds like you're the kind of person who would do well sweat farming in Entropia Universe. I Am The Danger*
ContraBanJoe FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 334	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:15:00 - [70] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Start a corp, spam invites to every person you see. Set tax rate to between 5-20% depending on how many people care. Profit. This lesson brought to you by: Faction Warfare Army. Bringing 20 mill isk each day to ContraBanJoe. Your more of a sheep than I guessed based on this reply. The accuracy of your statement is so far from the truth. And to set the record straight, at 1% taxes we make just enough isk to cover our programs. I run a non for profit. You just run your mouth without a mind behind it. o/

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1576	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:29:00 - [71] - Quote Logi Stician wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Don't run a logi, an advanced logi is 50k each. Run a Logi! Dren BPO with all BPO gear and equipment is 0k each! I've done this with a sever logi and it makes me feel dirty. I just stick with my M/1 Logi when running for actual logistical purposes and I'll whip out the sever logi as a cost cutter. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1953	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:39:00 - [72] - Quote Missed out on that falchion money from the event, I wasn't bothered by not getting the tanks until they got refunded for cash. AARRRGGHH! I'm still sitting on the 30 mil I got from uprising (it really was crazy how many proto dropships you used to get in salvage.. now all I get is breach shotguns and specialist swarm launchers I'll never use... sigh), it was up to 60 mil, but then FW stopped giving out ISK and I started flying dropships and.... well, now I'm back to using just BPO's for a few weeks. I use the 30 mil as my "zero" point and do my best not to drop below that. Anyway, for vets we got a bunch of free money, and the really rich get it from farming PC. For new players your only realistic option is to use starter fits and not care about your KDR. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Nirwanda Vaughns 334	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:45:00 - [73] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: calvin b wrote: My 200 Million was through hard work and putting up with the BS. Plus I run cheap suits and I set a budget, I stick to the budget and that helps me make 5-10 million a week. Plus he uses scrubby jihad jeeps instead of actually killing tanks with AV or another tank. compared to everyone who uses a scrubby militia tank in ambush? yeah calv's th eone in the wrong Proto and proud!!
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1131	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:53:00 - [74] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? I run cheap suits all day, every day. Just from capping out each week I make about 10-15 million ISK Dragonfly scout -0 isk basic shield extender - 900 isk shotgun - 900 isk toxin SMG - 0 isk locus grenade - 900 isk compact nanohive - 900 isk basic profile dampener - 900 isk basic armor repairer - 900 isk total cost: 5400 isk (cheapest suit) Most I'll die in a single match is 10 times. Typical ISK payout is 300ISK per match. net 240,000 ISK every match. 50 ambush matches to cap out. 12 million each week. I had around 300 million at the end of April. I had about 600 million when the buy-back happened in May. Currently I have around 200 million. This is because I like to loan out isk with interest, give it to my friends when i'm drunk. pay my squad to run full proto in FW (not corpmates) give them bonus ISK for winning. Put out bounties on people in game and pay them at the end of a match. Though even when I run proto in pubs... i do it from time to time... I still don't lose ISK. I lose 0-3 suits, usually around 110k each and end up breaking even at worst. I do make isk from being in a PC corp but most of that ISK just funds my silly little endeavors mentioned above. That and dropships. I go through dropships like candy. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1432	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:02:00 - [75] - Quote you just need a better dropsuit, here is mine which is designed to make you a killing machine and doesn't cost much ISK! Soma 80gj MLT blaster 1x mlt armour hardener 1x mlt blaster damage amplifier that fitting there is gauranteed to let you go toe to toe with the most expensive proto suits and is very ISK efficient. DUST VIDEOS
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 583	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:06:00 - [76] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: you just need a better dropsuit, here is mine which is designed to make you a killing machine and doesn't cost much ISK! Soma 80gj MLT blaster 1x mlt armour hardener 1x mlt blaster damage amplifier that fitting there is gauranteed to let you go toe to toe with the most expensive proto suits and is very ISK efficient. I have all my guys carry this fit. You can strap a nitro on too. We call it the Warhound. Who wants some?
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 350	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:18:00 - [77] - Quote Economize War Points, by: - Don't run proto (or advanced) suits if it won't make a significant difference - Don't equip stuff that you won't use or won't make a difference (as a scout, does it matter if you die in 0.4 or 0.5 secs?) - Invest in passive skills (don't cost anything and help all your fits) - Invest in proto weapons and damage mods if you rely on alpha damage (shotgun, sniper rifle) - Maximize your characters strong points (speed & stealth for scout, versatility for logi, plates for tank, etc.) - Don't play a role that doesn't fit the current battle (e.g. AV when there's no tanks) The more War Points, the higher your standing, payout and profit at the end of of the game.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:26:00 - [78] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. I got it too, but the joke was too dark.......even for me. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK 35	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:37:00 - [79] - Quote Did get a hunk of ISK from Chrom. I could see how ISK is generated by other means that were stated.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1195	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:44:00 - [80] - Quote Cheaters and ccksckers. Same ppl that get promotions because they're willing to work on their knees or sitting on a desk. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1579	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:51:00 - [81] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. I got it too, but the joke was too dark.......even for me. How many kids these days know about the Jonestown Massacre? Seriously, that was some **** up **. Kill your children or we'll do it for you. Most of them didn't even drink the koolaid they had syringes forced on them. Anyone who resisted was shot. If I am not mistaken, it was the inspiration for this song. If you believe in any form of punishment afterlife, Jim Jones is there. Rest assured, there is no other place for him. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:55:00 - [82] - Quote Here's the answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALUNqVWQoQ
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 263	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:16:00 - [83] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A lot of people have massive quantities of ISK from the Uprising refund. I gave away hundreds of millions and still have enough to ensure I can live comfortably/protostomp all the time for a very, very long time. i' ll take some of mine back then " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz " yes, yes you can! when 1.8 deploys..." ~ Kahn Zo
Neo Rinzler Commando Perkone Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:01:00 - [84] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A lot of people have massive quantities of ISK from the Uprising refund. I gave away hundreds of millions and still have enough to ensure I can live comfortably/protostomp all the time for a very, very long time. You should give me some because I am a MASSIVE NOOB
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:22:00 - [85] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. I got it too, but the joke was too dark.......even for me. How many kids these days know about the Jonestown Massacre? Seriously, that was some **** up **. Kill your children or we'll do it for you. Most of them didn't even drink the koolaid they had syringes forced on them. Anyone who resisted was shot. If I am not mistaken, it was the inspiration for this song. If you believe in any form of punishment afterlife, Jim Jones is there. Rest assured, there is no other place for him. I'm pretty sure Jim Jones was inspired by the song "Don't fear the Reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult (the irony in the rock group's name!). http://www.history.com/topics/jonestown/videos/jonestown-massacre Don't fear the Reaper -1976 Jonestown Massacre -1978 I haven't confirmed this yet though. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 294	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:28:00 - [86] - Quote No beta player ( started in 1,3 ) 223 Miljon isk 2000 something proto suits fully fitted have done some PC ( very few ), however I use a lot of basic gear War never changes
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1582	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:34:00 - [87] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. I got it too, but the joke was too dark.......even for me. How many kids these days know about the Jonestown Massacre? Seriously, that was some **** up . Kill your children or we'll do it for you. Most of them didn't even drink the koolaid they had syringes forced on them. Anyone who resisted was shot. If I am not mistaken, it was the inspiration for this song. If you believe in any form of punishment afterlife, Jim Jones is there. Rest assured, there is no other place for him. I'm pretty sure Jim Jones was inspired by the song "Don't fear the Reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult (the irony in the rock group's name!). http://www.history.com/topics/jonestown/videos/jonestown-massacre Don't fear the Reaper -1976 Jonestown Massacre -1978 I haven't confirmed this yet though. I wouldn't be surprised, he was one twisted **********. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4606	Posted - 2014.02.12 21:43:00 - [88] - Quote To be honest even before I got in Fatal Absolution I had +500,000,000 ISK I've played the game quite a lot and in the earlier days I could go in free suits and do absolutely fine. You can't do that now obviously because everybody is advanced but I also was in Synergy and we rarely loss PC battles so I went from 300,000,000 to 500 mil in synergy. Winning PC battles generate a ton of money if you win. Even without farming.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.12 22:16:00 - [89] - Quote I made 100m just running cheap suits starting out.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dark Taboo 19	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:47:00 - [90] - Quote Most people get hundreds of millions from their corps. (Usually AE, NS, FA, TP, and similar.) The sad part. some people spend up to 5 hours a day just locking districts so their corps stay save and make millions. I did the math, turns out Renegade Alliance is making about 880 million isk day (mostly Nyain San). Director of G0DS AM0NG MEN. Fully Support a Respec for 1.8!

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 430	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:56:00 - [91] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Most people get hundreds of millions from their corps. (Usually AE, NS, FA, TP, and similar.) The sad part. some people spend up to 5 hours a day just locking districts so their corps stay save and make millions. I did the math, turns out Renegade Alliance is making about 880 million isk day (mostly Nyain San). 461 mil from nyain 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1756	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:59:00 - [92] - Quote PC FarmVille. Selling clones for iskies is how, and then having your corp give you money. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:56:00 - [93] - Quote befor ambush was broke , i did it for 6months everyday lol . racked up few hundred mill rather easly
KGB Sleep 743	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:07:00 - [94] - Quote I need some PC ISK to fund new a Sentinel or New scout. Because beer, that's why.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 811	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:10:00 - [95] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Somebody got the reference. Its like a rick roll, but you die from it. I got it too, but the joke was too dark.......even for me. How many kids these days know about the Jonestown Massacre? Seriously, that was some **** up . Kill your children or we'll do it for you. Most of them didn't even drink the koolaid they had syringes forced on them. Anyone who resisted was shot. If I am not mistaken, it was the inspiration for this song. If you believe in any form of punishment afterlife, Jim Jones is there. Rest assured, there is no other place for him. I'm pretty sure Jim Jones was inspired by the song "Don't fear the Reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult (the irony in the rock group's name!). http://www.history.com/topics/jonestown/videos/jonestown-massacre Don't fear the Reaper -1976 Jonestown Massacre -1978 I haven't confirmed this yet though. I wouldn't be surprised, he was one twisted **********. oh yeah Who wants some?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1243	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:34:00 - [96] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? I'm not sure, but I think it involves acts that would be construed as being akin to g*y prison love in exchange for goodies. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1192	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:06:00 - [97] - Quote Ayures II wrote: Exploiting PC mechanics. Pretty much this.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 698	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:58:00 - [98] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Start your own corp, get members, take over PC What members? Everyone who plays this game is already embedded into a corp. New players dont stick around.
WolfeXXVII NECROM0NGERS 11	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:38:00 - [99] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? most of them use BPOs and starter fits most of the time or they run aurum fits and there can be no argument on this gk.0 scout 4 the win Optimization 5 in 7 weapons and counting,SP from all characters:-113,895,000- CLOSED BETA VET.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7303	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:57:00 - [100] - Quote WolfeXXVII wrote: Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? most of them use BPOs and starter fits most of the time or they run aurum fits and there can be no argument on this Or more logically, and I am arguing with you, they are PC corp players and print isk out of their locked districts. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Chuckles Brown 72	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:08:00 - [101] - Quote It just adds up over time. Die less, or at least get revived often = lose less assets during a match. Big corps dish out paychecks, because districts net far to much revenue in this game that offsets the economy* in this game. It basically builds a structure where large PC corps can "afford" to run proto in public contracts, but non-PC players can't without using some sort of side-system. *In no way, shape, or form is the EvE/New Eden economy a slight resemblance of an economy. To call it an economy is simply false, and an ignorant use of the term. The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 7	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:12:00 - [102] - Quote money lost < money earned that is all
Government CheeseBurger 702	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:14:00 - [103] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjKfAdJ-Y0 Dust 514
axu jen The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 1	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:22:00 - [104] - Quote Don't run expensive gear, i find that a std assault suit with a std gun and adv modules just as effective as a fully adv suit but way cheaper, guns especially seem to be more expensive from std to adv but not that much more effective.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 86	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:25:00 - [105] - Quote Nephiliel wrote: Just curious. Is this all because of the salvage that was sold at the beginning of Chromosome, or are they really farming it, or is it from eve? broken game mechanics locked districts you cant attack....... the hardway is bpos and not spending isk on a alt profile Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Deltahawk Durango Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:10:00 - [106] - Quote wait til the open market when all those rich pc players get to sell all the proto stuff they salvaged... I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 561	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:29:00 - [107] - Quote I had 70m before the skill tree revamp. When the reimbursement came, it got me 195m. I spent 25m buying back skills and equipment and since then from 170m i climbed up to 234m right now. I run ADV, between 46 to 55k suits and a few times up to 67k. I have a STD 19k backup for those battles where odds of dying above the threshold are high. EDIT: Never played a single PC battle, no interest so far. em ta kool t'nod
Ensar Cael Black Spire Force Recon 85	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:21:00 - [108] - Quote Apparently CCP messed up on the EVE-DUST link. Before they could fix it, some members of the RENEGADE ALLIANCE on the EVE side managed to slip through a stack of cash to the DUST side, thus kick starting the domination of PC we see now. In short, a lot of people now can run proto continuously. Instant win button Be interesting to see a lot of these almighty slayers run basic or adv gear and see how well they manage then. Wonder if they are using skill or just OP gear right? Just saying....
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:25:00 - [109] - Quote I made a bet with someone that I could get a nova knife kill in a commando suit. Ended that game with an extra 1.5 million. Usually outnumbered 7:1 and still kicking
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1717	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:36:00 - [110] - Quote Ensar Cael wrote: Apparently CCP messed up on the EVE-DUST link. Before they could fix it, some members of the RENEGADE ALLIANCE on the EVE side managed to slip through a stack of cash to the DUST side, thus kick starting the domination of PC we see now. In short, a lot of people now can run proto continuously. Instant win button Be interesting to see a lot of these almighty slayers run basic or adv gear and see how well they manage then. Wonder if they are using skill or just OP gear right? Just saying.... IIRC, what you are talking about happened way back in Closed Beta and was fixing rather rapidly. The ones who did it were in alliances that were extremely relevant then, though are not so much so now. PC Farmville is bad, but please, get it right when bringing accusations. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2370	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:05:00 - [111] - Quote Get money in what ever way you like and don't spend it... Listen I'll change the song every week
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2370	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:06:00 - [112] - Quote Ensar Cael wrote: Apparently CCP messed up on the EVE-DUST link. Before they could fix it, some members of the RENEGADE ALLIANCE on the EVE side managed to slip through a stack of cash to the DUST side, thus kick starting the domination of PC we see now. In short, a lot of people now can run proto continuously. Instant win button Be interesting to see a lot of these almighty slayers run basic or adv gear and see how well they manage then. Wonder if they are using skill or just OP gear right? Just saying.... BAD ALT BAD ALT Listen I'll change the song every week


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