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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
1451
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:03:00 -
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i am a scout, so scanners aren't usually a problem, and the only other thing i run other than scout is a 550 melee damage cal med frame ck.0.
my melee fit is arguably the hardest thing to use in the game, BECAUSE OF SCANNERS. it has about 300 to 350 ehp, but unlike my scout suit, IT GETS SCANNED 24/7. due to this, i can rarely sneak up on people effectively to melee them, not to mention, getting one shot by ScRs.
it's amazing how terrible all the "L33T" players in the game are when they don't have their precious scanners. not just their situational awareness, but their gun game is terrible too. i know it's getting nerfed, and that's great, but i would like to know why the hell they were even put into the game. i've never heard of a mechanic in a game that allows someone to see everyone, even through walls from 150 meters away.
i'm honestly curious, was there an actual plan for the scanner when they put it in, other than to break the game?
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9285
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:04:00 -
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It's a terrible mechanic.
I would not be opposed to them being axed completely.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1176
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:15:00 -
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You know, two complex dampeners will get your medium frame under a proto scanner, right? Just sayin'.
How can you b**** about scanners when there is a mechanic that aloes you to defeat them. Now I am nots saying that I think loosing two low slots to counter one equipment is fair, but that is a different mater. A balance mater and should be adressed as such ("unbalanced") not removed.
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Justice Prevails
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:15:00 -
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Not a big fan of them. They eliminate the art of flanking and using cover to get a drop on an opponent.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1601
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:15:00 -
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As a scout you should appreciate it, at least if you scan before crossing the road, you'll know if there is a guy with a rail rifle that will shoot you from nowhere.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:15:00 -
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remove the scanner ccp |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9287
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:23:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:You know, two complex dampeners will get your medium frame under a proto scanner, right? Just sayin'.
How can you b**** about scanners when there is a mechanic that alows you to defeat them. Now I am nots saying that I think loosing two low slots to counter one equipment is fair, but that is a different mater. A balance mater and should be adressed as such ("unbalanced") not removed.
Sure, there's a mechanic that vaguely allows you to counter them.
That doesn't change the massive advantage the scanner gives you much. The scanner gives huge advantages, massive ones. You have to sacrifice a lot to evade it - those two dampeners could be the equivalent of over 200 armour.
Using a scanner, many weapons become unbalanced. I'm sure QQ about weapons with non-standard balancing mechanics like the RR and SCR are QQed about because people can pre-charge as they see someone coming around a corner.
ZATARA CARRIES US ALL
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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Aisha Ctarl
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3253
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:28:00 -
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I have Profile Dampening Level V and usually slap at least one Complex Dampener on all of my suits - I have no problems.
I'm sorry, but I'm filing this one away as butthurt and T_T
I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
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Chris F2112
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
556
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:29:00 -
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Perhaps you guys don't remember the game without them but the game is much better with them. The nerf will do much to balance them out right away and buffing scouts will help as well. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1178
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:You know, two complex dampeners will get your medium frame under a proto scanner, right? Just sayin'.
How can you b**** about scanners when there is a mechanic that alows you to defeat them. Now I am nots saying that I think loosing two low slots to counter one equipment is fair, but that is a different mater. A balance mater and should be adressed as such ("unbalanced") not removed. Sure, there's a mechanic that vaguely allows you to counter them. That doesn't change the massive advantage the scanner gives you much. The scanner gives huge advantages, massive ones. You have to sacrifice a lot to evade it - those two dampeners could be the equivalent of over 200 armour. Using a scanner, many weapons become unbalanced. I'm sure QQ about weapons with non-standard balancing mechanics like the RR and SCR are QQed about because people can pre-charge as they see someone coming around a corner.
Like I said, I never said that it was balanced. IMO, in order to balance the scanner you need to introduce a hard counter. Something like a deployable stationary jammer, with a jamming radius of maybe 60-80 meters. Also, maybe another type of equipment that introduces ghost/decoy signals. With the intro suction of such equipment you would very suddenly see a reduction in the use of the scanner, because of the potential for them to be made unreliable, or rendered outright unusable.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:44:00 -
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Scanners are in the game because electronic/stealth/intel denial warfare is destined to be part of the game and you're either going to have to deal with it in your fittings or just deal with being affected. You can't have you're cake and eat it too sorry there honey boo boo.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1451
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:47:00 -
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EWAR is a huge part of New Eden, and has an important role to play in DUST. The current scanners have some serious game design flaws, and fixes coming should alleviate those problems, and balance them better in gameplay.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6447
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:49:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have Profile Dampening Level V and usually slap at least one Complex Dampener on all of my suits - I have no problems.
I'm sorry, but I'm filing this one away as butthurt and T_T
Doesn't that tell you something?
Profile dampeners being standard issue on your suit?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
1798
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:50:00 -
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scanners sadly seem very similar to a suggestion I made awhile back, of course it was supposed to be built into sniper rifles to give them a spotting role on the battle field =( |
Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
248
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:50:00 -
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Read the thread in the Features and Ideas Sub-Forum for the 1.8 Patch. It mentions at the bottom that scanners will be changed so they take a snapshot scan preventing players from getting the 360 scan.
Here I found it for you.
There's also a cooldown increase I forgot to mention. |
Turtle Hermit Roshi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
113
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:06:00 -
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yeah use some dampeners bro
but scanners are anoying i remeber when everyone was like whats a scanner
but then i think it was 1.7 made them a necesity which was nice cus now scouts wernt being scaned pasivly by our dropsuit scan precision
still anoying tho
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden.
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professional Heavy for hire
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Aisha Ctarl
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3262
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have Profile Dampening Level V and usually slap at least one Complex Dampener on all of my suits - I have no problems.
I'm sorry, but I'm filing this one away as butthurt and T_T Doesn't that tell you something? Profile dampeners being standard issue on your suit?
Even without Profile Dampeners, I can slide under basic scanners in a medium frame. In pubs most people either run basic or advanced scanners - rarely if ever proto. Scanners really aren't as much as a problem that people make them seem to be; if anything I'd say more people are annoyed by the message constantly on their screens than the actual scanner mechanic itself.
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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:11:00 -
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I've called many times for them to be removed but CCP act as if I'm taking their only son away from them.
YOU WILL NEVER achieve a balanced game if you allow new players to be targeted as soon as they spawn,
their every movement tracked.
You can't plan, you can't flank, you can't use tactics because the enemy knows where you are, where you're going, and
where to shoot you from! and so do 5 of his buddies! They ALL rush towards you. it got to the point where I was being scanned
before I had even moved.
It's ridiculous and I refuse to play this broken game until it's addressed...amongst 1000 other things.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2777
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:14:00 -
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I just think there needs to be more out there to defeat them or "fool" them.
What if all suits but heavies with Dampening L5 could defeat ADV scanners? Scouts being able to defeat proto scanners UNLESS the user (or Gal Logi) fits a precision enhancement module.
What if there was a different type of scanner that defeated scans for all mercs within a certain range of the person using the scan defeater?
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:15:00 -
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They should just introduce jammers which prevent enemy scans.
Because, that's why.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1180
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:15:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've called many times for them to be removed but CCP act as if I'm taking their only son away from them.
YOU WILL NEVER achieve a balanced game if you allow new players to be targeted as soon as they spawn,
their every movement tracked.
You can't plan, you can't flank, you can't use tactics because the enemy knows where you are, where you're going, and
where to shoot you from! and so do 5 of his buddies! They ALL rush towards you. it got to the point where I was being scanned
before I had even moved.
It's ridiculous and I refuse to play this broken game until it's addressed...amongst 1000 other things.
Can I have your ISK then?
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:23:00 -
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You can see the line drawn once again between those who run proto, with plenty if slots and CPU/pg, and those who don't. Those who run in regular squads, where scanner info is shared and there are multiple scanners being used and those who don't. Scanners are one of those things that make the powerful much more powerful and the new player much weaker. That isn't. An argument for its existence either way, just an observation.
Because, that's why.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
395
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:28:00 -
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Try harder.
Put a few dampners on your CK.0, and blammo, it gets under everything except proto scanners...and you don't see many of those in pubs. |
echo47
Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:52:00 -
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Yeah individually dampeners, properly skilled up can beat scanners. The thing is that heavy trying to take the objective with you gives your position away. Dampeners are not a proper counter for a squad based game.
A leadership mod that reduces a squad members profile with in a certain proximity of each other that is a counter. So far whenever something new is introduced in this game its like no one takes the time to introduce the counter along with it.. So what happens 3-4 months then a nerf. Then its oops we nerfed it too much. If scanners and a proper counter were introduced at the same time there wouldn't be any issues right now.
Would the TAC AR in its former glory be OP compared to the RR and CR of 1.8?
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
1454
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:59:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:As a scout you should appreciate it, at least if you scan before crossing the road, you'll know if there is a guy with a rail rifle that will shoot you from nowhere.
i don't even run scanners, and no, i shouldn't appreciate them. i understand why everybody brick tanks now. because if you don't, you'll be as good as useless unless you can avoid scanners.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
1454
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:00:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Try harder.
Put a few dampners on your CK.0, and blammo, it gets under everything except proto scanners...and you don't see many of those in pubs.
i'm using a melee fit. i need those lows for speed and stamina.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
1454
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:02:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have Profile Dampening Level V and usually slap at least one Complex Dampener on all of my suits - I have no problems.
I'm sorry, but I'm filing this one away as butthurt and T_T
did you not read that i was using a 300 ehp MELEE fit? i can't use those lows to dampen, i need speed and stamina.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1097
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:03:00 -
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Have you ever played Blacklight Retribution?
I digress, Scanners are definitely too powerful but I use them mostly to find Uplinks more than anything, and in PC uplinks are higher in priority than enemy combatants
The Sinwarden
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9310
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:08:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Have you ever played Blacklight Retribution?
I digress, Scanners are definitely too powerful but I use them mostly to find Uplinks more than anything, and in PC uplinks are higher in priority than enemy combatants
In PC, they're still very powerful against enemy combatants.
But in pubs, they're terrifying pubstomping tools.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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sabre prime
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
75
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:10:00 -
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Scanners are a tricky issue. If implemented properly they could be a cool part of the EWAR aspect of DUST. But the way they have been implemented until now they are just a wall hack, plain and simple. How could CCP implement a "scan angle" and then let people do 360 degree spins? Just not very well thought out.
The nerf is very welcome. It's actually not even a nerf; their just making them work as intended with a snapshot scan within the scan angle. Hopefully we'll see less scanning overall after 1.8.
On a related note:. Is anything happening to vehicle scanners? I presume they do 360degree scans by default?
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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