DUST Search - Why are Amarr and Caldari weapons so hated?!

Nikoli Gleimer wrote:

My opinion on all of this, is that i love all the weapons so far. Every weapon has a specialty, and limits. Some more than other aka laser rifle.

I have always used the weapon that people wouldnt use. So if, for instance If the rail rifle is OP, i would use the laser rifle or something, just to show people that there are uses to each individual weapon. I actually like the laser rifle alot. I do think it needs to have more range though. Its optimal range is kinda ridiculous also. If you are even 1 meter too close from its optimal range, it does 9% of the total damage. Thats kinda stupid.

I also really like scrambler rifles. I used to run the assault but i like the charge feature too much. I always run an assault class with my scrambler rifle with a submachine gun, and that works very good for me.

I am not a big fan of rail rifles at the moment. I know i will get alot of hate from saying this but if you think about it. What other long range frontline weapons are there? (im not talking sniper rifles) There is the laser rifle, scrambler rifle, and rail rife. The laser rifle and scrambler rifle both overheat very fast with long range encounters (charge fire with scrambler rifle) but the rail rifle doesnt.....how is that fair? Another thing that kinda makes me angry is the fact that you can kill things pretty easily with a rail rifle at medium to close quarters combat. At the moment the rail rifle is one of the most versatlile weapons when i think it should be high damage at long range and like half the damage at close range. Now im not talking make it like the laser rifle, but have some sort of deduction on damage at close range.

> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥

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Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4865	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:33:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously! The Laser Rifle in Chrome The current Scrambler Rifle (although I agree that the Assault Scrambler Rifle is OP) Even the Scrambler Pistol has been QQed about The Forge Gun The Rail Rifle (I've been QQing about it since 1.7....then I caved in and got it to level 3 ) And the Railgun (of course that is really broken....) I wish I could change my starting race :( All these QQers give us Amarrians a bad name! > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 192	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:37:00 - [2] - Quote Because most people don't know how to use them really effectively or know how to counter them. I actually love scrambler rifle but I forget to use it as I've been running CR and RR. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4865	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:38:00 - [3] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Because most people don't know how to use them really effectively or know how to counter them. I actually love scrambler rifle but I forget to use it as I've been running CR and RR. The CR is definitely OP, but no one complains about it as much as all the other weapons :( > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2034	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:38:00 - [4] - Quote I think the scramblers are balanced. Combat rifle just needs less range. No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Squagga The State Protectorate 203	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:40:00 - [5] - Quote Uhparrently the Gal and Min don't have the fine mottor skills to be able pull a trigger? Reloading, the silent killer.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6830	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:41:00 - [6] - Quote AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 481	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:43:00 - [7] - Quote The most vitriol spit forth by a weapon, hands down, is the Assault Rifle (please change the name...). Since beta to the release of the Rail/Combat Rifle, it was the most complained about weapon in existence.
Tectonic Fusion 1041	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:44:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. If you do the math, it is underpowered and because you can't really use the new range other than chipping people with the recoil. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4871	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. IMO, it should overheat before you finish the clip....it's just a better Assault Rifle. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4871	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. If you do the math, it is underpowered and because you can't really use the new range other than chipping people with the recoil. I hate math > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6830	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:46:00 - [11] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. If you do the math, it is underpowered and because you can't really use the new range other than chipping people with the recoil. This gun is accurate and powerful out to 50m though. Just interested. I always though the Imperial was better, but the Carthum does rock dem socks. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6830	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:46:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. IMO, it should overheat before you finish the clip....it's just a better Assault Rifle. Agreed. Every weapon/ AR needs a point where over heat becomes a legitimate concern. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 193	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:51:00 - [13] - Quote I like the Imperial better. I can fire it faster than the Carthum and it does more damage. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4874	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:51:00 - [14] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I like the Imperial better. I can fire it faster than the Carthum and it does more damage. I lost my feel for the Scrambler Rifle. I've been using the CR too much GET THIS DIRTY MINMATAR WEAPON OUT OF MY HANDS! > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
neausea 1987 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 9	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:55:00 - [15] - Quote for me it goes like this, the combat rifle is not OP (combat rifle bias/user) but the range can be nerfed a little i never heard someone complain in battlefield the rapid fire weapons are OP maybe after 3 clips you would need a barrel change lol, the scrubler rifle does what it's supposed to do 1 on 1 or maybe take out two people before heat becomes an issue its a frikin lasserr (dr evil voice), the gallente plasma weapons are the most versatile in the game (not intended for use by QQ babies or scrubs), and the rail need a very slight nerf to something but i cant put my finger on it i think the scoped RR needs a CQC nerf and the assault needs a slight (very slight) dmg nerf. these are my opinions so dont be so quick to string me up on a tree i try to stop puking but proto bums make me sick
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6834	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:57:00 - [16] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I like the Imperial better. I can fire it faster than the Carthum and it does more damage. Indeed but you tend to suffer with the Imperial against heavy armoured targets, the Carthum offers the capacity to fire for much longer, and suppress your enemy more....at a surprising range. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 247	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:00:00 - [17] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I wish I could change my starting race :( All these QQers give us Amarrians a bad name! You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. Also, most people hate on CAL or AMARR weapons because most people are Gallente or Minmatar...period. MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6836	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:03:00 - [18] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I wish I could change my starting race :( All these QQers give us Amarrians a bad name! You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. Also, most people hate on CAL or AMARR weapons because most people are Gallente or Minmatar...period. Not so secret KING CHECKMATE! "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 247	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:06:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I wish I could change my starting race :( All these QQers give us Amarrians a bad name! You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. Also, most people hate on CAL or AMARR weapons because most people are Gallente or Minmatar...period. Not so secret KING CHECKMATE! D': King what? MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
Not Patrick57 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:09:00 - [20] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. No one will ever find out!!

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 249	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:10:00 - [21] - Quote Not Patrick57 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. No one will ever find out!! +100 MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1934	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:11:00 - [22] - Quote Not Patrick57 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. No one will ever find out!! lol Charlotte O'Dell is a liar, that's only a piece of corn & I'm the one and only majestic unicorn.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6841	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:11:00 - [23] - Quote Not Patrick57 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. No one will ever find out!! You sure you aren't Patrick57? Look deep into my eyes and tell me you aren't! "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Nikoli Gleimer Nex Miles Militis 3	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:13:00 - [24] - Quote My opinion on all of this, is that i love all the weapons so far. Every weapon has a specialty, and limits. Some more than other aka laser rifle. I have always used the weapon that people wouldnt use. So if, for instance If the rail rifle is OP, i would use the laser rifle or something, just to show people that there are uses to each individual weapon. I actually like the laser rifle alot. I do think it needs to have more range though. Its optimal range is kinda ridiculous also. If you are even 1 meter too close from its optimal range, it does 9% of the total damage. Thats kinda stupid. I also really like scrambler rifles. I used to run the assault but i like the charge feature too much. I always run an assault class with my scrambler rifle with a submachine gun, and that works very good for me. I am not a big fan of rail rifles at the moment. I know i will get alot of hate from saying this but if you think about it. What other long range frontline weapons are there? (im not talking sniper rifles) There is the laser rifle, scrambler rifle, and rail rife. The laser rifle and scrambler rifle both overheat very fast with long range encounters (charge fire with scrambler rifle) but the rail rifle doesnt.....how is that fair? Another thing that kinda makes me angry is the fact that you can kill things pretty easily with a rail rifle at medium to close quarters combat. At the moment the rail rifle is one of the most versatlile weapons when i think it should be high damage at long range and like half the damage at close range. Now im not talking make it like the laser rifle, but have some sort of deduction on damage at close range.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4884	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:29:00 - [25] - Quote Nikoli Gleimer wrote: My opinion on all of this, is that i love all the weapons so far. Every weapon has a specialty, and limits. Some more than other aka laser rifle. I have always used the weapon that people wouldnt use. So if, for instance If the rail rifle is OP, i would use the laser rifle or something, just to show people that there are uses to each individual weapon. I actually like the laser rifle alot. I do think it needs to have more range though. Its optimal range is kinda ridiculous also. If you are even 1 meter too close from its optimal range, it does 9% of the total damage. Thats kinda stupid. I also really like scrambler rifles. I used to run the assault but i like the charge feature too much. I always run an assault class with my scrambler rifle with a submachine gun, and that works very good for me. I am not a big fan of rail rifles at the moment. I know i will get alot of hate from saying this but if you think about it. What other long range frontline weapons are there? (im not talking sniper rifles) There is the laser rifle, scrambler rifle, and rail rife. The laser rifle and scrambler rifle both overheat very fast with long range encounters (charge fire with scrambler rifle) but the rail rifle doesnt.....how is that fair? Another thing that kinda makes me angry is the fact that you can kill things pretty easily with a rail rifle at medium to close quarters combat. At the moment the rail rifle is one of the most versatlile weapons when i think it should be high damage at long range and like half the damage at close range. Now im not talking make it like the laser rifle, but have some sort of deduction on damage at close range. Interesting. I love the Laser Rifle so much, but it's impractical to use with all the Rail Rifles out there. I'd use it all the time if rail Rifles weren't so common. I also think that the Rail Rifle shouldn't be so effective in CQC. I don't think it needs a damage reduction, I think an accuracy reduction (or major accuracy increase) would do just fine. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Nikoli Gleimer Nex Miles Militis 4	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:56:00 - [26] - Quote I think making an accuracy decrease or increase on the way you look at it, would be great. It would still have its damage at long range, high rate of fire, but it would not be so good at CQC
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 249	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:04:00 - [27] - Quote ''Why are Amarr and Caldari weapons so hated?!'' Because CCP's MAPS dont have any freakn cover, and 80% of them are composed of 90% OPEN AREAS, where RANGE = Win. MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 678	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:09:00 - [28] - Quote They are the weapons with range and in Dust (and in a lot of other shooters I've played) there is not enough advantage in increased tank or speed to counter range (especially when the weapon has little close quarters disadvantage). Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1313	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:44:00 - [29] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I like the Imperial better. I can fire it faster than the Carthum and it does more damage. I think you mean "as much as the Carthum", since they have the exact same RoF. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1313	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:45:00 - [30] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Not Patrick57 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: You can always have an UBER secret double identity like myself. No one will ever find out!! +100 PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor

KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2077	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:54:00 - [31] - Quote go back to cod scrub! So about those vehicle locks...
XxWarlordxX97 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 4163	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:56:00 - [32] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Seriously! The Laser Rifle in Chrome The current Scrambler Rifle (although I agree that the Assault Scrambler Rifle is OP) Even the Scrambler Pistol has been QQed about The Forge Gun The Rail Rifle (I've been QQing about it since 1.7....then I caved in and got it to level 3 ) And the Railgun (of course that is really broken....) I wish I could change my starting race :( All these QQers give us Amarrians a bad name! Minmatar rule,pay isk and I will help Amarr Hello reddots >:)
Cyrius Li-Moody 3448	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:02:00 - [33] - Quote I like the scrambler on my gallente scout with an SMG. It's almost better than knives and a CR on my minnie. Almost. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1924	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:01:00 - [34] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: I like the Imperial better. I can fire it faster than the Carthum and it does more damage. I lost my feel for the Scrambler Rifle. I've been using the CR too much GET THIS DIRTY MINMATAR WEAPON OUT OF MY HANDS! I know, I feel dirty too, but damnit the thing costs nothing to fit! It's like 1/3 he PG! I.. I.. I know it's wrong, but I just can't resist the urge to use one and upgrade my equipment. Also, this is the first I am hearing of the AScR being OP. I like it too, but again, the PG, oh, the PG... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4903	Posted - 2014.02.10 11:44:00 - [35] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: go back to cod scrub! You're just jelly of these skills! > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 162	Posted - 2014.02.10 11:54:00 - [36] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: True Adamance wrote: AScR is OP? How so? I'm honestly interested since I've never heard that before. IMO, it should overheat before you finish the clip....it's just a better Assault Rifle. i said this and ppl looked at me like i was crazy i mean amarr assault has an overheat bonus might as well use it right AScR and AScP are my only guns btw so its not like im QQing i just think its a good idea


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