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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:31:00 -
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Gallente ought to be good in CQC so allowing them to reload faster would give them more of an advantage than a dispersion bonus, and on the flip side reduced dispersion makes the RR more effective at range, maybe that's just me and logic though...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:31:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Gallente ought to be good in CQC so allowing them to reload faster would give them more of an advantage than a dispersion bonus, and on the flip side reduced dispersion makes the RR more effective at range, maybe that's just me and logic though... +1
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:33:00 -
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+1 but in all honesty it doesn't even matter anymore. It is obvious what the new fotms will be and they will definitely not be using ARs or Rail rifles. And it won't be Caldari or Gallente assaults.
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Sick Metagamer
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:33:00 -
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Makes sense, should be easy for CCP to do, I like it! |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:34:00 -
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Remeber posts keep the thread on the front page, don't get off topic though as if it's banned our voices will not be heard as easily.
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:36:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:+1 but in all honesty it doesn't even matter anymore. It is obvious what the new fotms will be and they will definitely not be using ARs or Rail rifles. And it won't be Caldari or Gallente assaults. True but if the Gal and Cal Assault are less ****** then it will help a little.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:48:00 -
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Dispersion will affect the hipfire. That's CQC material right there.
Also, a reload bonus is pretty useless for most weapons. No CQC Gallente weapon would seriously benefit from this - the PR gets 5 seconds sustained fire anyway.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:49:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:+1 but in all honesty it doesn't even matter anymore. It is obvious what the new fotms will be and they will definitely not be using ARs or Rail rifles. And it won't be Caldari or Gallente assaults. True but if the Gal and Cal Assault are less ****** then it will help a little.
I guess so, I just hope that the dispersion/kick works only in ADS, plus the range:dps balancing.
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:53:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dispersion will affect the hipfire. That's CQC material right there.
Also, a reload bonus is pretty useless for most weapons. No CQC Gallente weapon would seriously benefit from this - the PR gets 5 seconds sustained fire anyway. true, but smaller hipfire after a certain point decreases CQC effectiveness, and increases ranged effectiveness
Reload is useless in most scenarios but it's harder to try to say increase damage to blaster then people will blindly yell OP without checking stats anyway 50% reduced reload would be huge...
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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:56:00 -
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This just shifts the rubbish bonus from Caldari to Gallente.
Maybe give Caldari the kick/dispersion bonus and Gallente a RoF bonus? Fits the full auto Gallente rifle well. |
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:57:00 -
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Let's just wait and see what the new weapon stats look like before complaining too much, ok? |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:58:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:This just shifts the rubbish bonus from Caldari to Gallente.
Maybe give Caldari the kick/dispersion bonus and Gallente a RoF bonus? Fits the full auto Gallente rifle well. I see your point, I wouldn't mind a RoF bonus either because it increases ammo consumption as well as DPS...
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:59:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Let's just wait and see what the new weapon stats look like before complaining too much, ok? Good point just making some points from the current info we have and common sense.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:02:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Gallente ought to be good in CQC so allowing them to reload faster would give them more of an advantage than a dispersion bonus, and on the flip side reduced dispersion makes the RR more effective at range, maybe that's just me and logic though...
Caldari got a Reload bonus because their weapons are the slowest to reload and this is their ONLY drawback. Buffing something else on the RR would make an "OP" even more "OP".
Don't forget there's a weapon rework.
I think Calda assault will LOOOOOOOOOVE the reload bonus once their mag is 25 bullet. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:04:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Gallente ought to be good in CQC so allowing them to reload faster would give them more of an advantage than a dispersion bonus, and on the flip side reduced dispersion makes the RR more effective at range, maybe that's just me and logic though... Caldari got a Reload bonus because their weapons are the slowest to reload and this is their ONLY drawback. Buffing something else on the RR would make an "OP" even more "OP". Don't forget there's a weapon rework. I think Calda assault will LOOOOOOOOOVE the reload bonus once their mag is 25 bullet. Now if that is the case I will be happy with Cal Assaults getting a reload bonus...
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Seigfried Warheit
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:12:00 -
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Does the Rail Rifle bullets disperse that much that we need a bonus for reduction to dispersion? Perhaps just me but it seems pretty pinpoint and that bonus would be more useless than the ammo reload speed for the Caldari Assault suit.
Every assault suit bonus that was released so far compliments there weapons excellently however our skill doesn't do that sadly. We need to come up with a bonus that will compliment our weapons as range fighters. Maybe zoom fidelity and ROF? I read one about spool up time reduction I like it but its only effects the RR and Charged sniper..I would like a skill that makes all Caldari weaponry deadlier in our hands than with any other suit that includes all snipers and of course the rail rifle maybe even that one odd gun the swarm launcher.
We need to come up with a skill that we can agree on and push for all together so the devs will at least acknowledge that it is a issue ...which is probably gonna be easier said than done. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:14:00 -
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Seigfried Warheit wrote:Does the Rail Rifle bullets disperse that much that we need a bonus for reduction to dispersion? Perhaps just me but it seems pretty pinpoint and that bonus would be more useless than the ammo reload speed for the Caldari Assault suit.
Every assault suit bonus that was released so far compliments there weapons excellently however our skill doesn't do that sadly. We need to come up with a bonus that will compliment our weapons as range fighters. Maybe zoom fidelity and ROF? I read one about spool up time reduction I like it but its only effects the RR and Charged sniper..I would like a skill that makes all Caldari weaponry deadlier in our hands than with any other suit that includes all snipers and of course the rail rifle maybe even that one odd gun the swarm launcher.
We need to come up with a skill that we can agree on and push for all together so the devs will at least acknowledge that it is a issue ...which is probably gonna be easier said than done. RoF would be a good Gal one to be honest, Caldari is the hard one to comment on.
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Seigfried Warheit
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:14:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Let's just wait and see what the new weapon stats look like before complaining too much, ok?
Hopefully CCP releases it before to give time for changes cause atm the bonus seems to be lacking compared to others |
Seigfried Warheit
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:15:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Gallente ought to be good in CQC so allowing them to reload faster would give them more of an advantage than a dispersion bonus, and on the flip side reduced dispersion makes the RR more effective at range, maybe that's just me and logic though... Caldari got a Reload bonus because their weapons are the slowest to reload and this is their ONLY drawback. Buffing something else on the RR would make an "OP" even more "OP". Don't forget there's a weapon rework. I think Calda assault will LOOOOOOOOOVE the reload bonus once their mag is 25 bullet.
Well the weapons have a reload speed skill to invest into so throwing a skill that we already have a skill for seems kinda..lame and useless to me |
Seigfried Warheit
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:22:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote: RoF would be a good Gal one to be honest, Caldari is the hard one to comment on.
Yeah Caldari is hard to come up with a bonus for perhaps the devs ran into the same problem lol
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:22:00 -
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I can't see giving the rail more range. It already hits hard from a distance.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:25:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I can't see giving the rail more range. It already hits hard from a distance. if the tales of a DPS nerf are true then the range may not be that bad of a bonus...
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:30:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I can't see giving the rail more range. It already hits hard from a distance. if the tales of a DPS nerf are true then the range may not be that bad of a bonus... They say say it will only be slight as well. The Getting any type of bonus makes no sense unless it is getting some major nerfs.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:38:00 -
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CCP wants to increase Time to Kill. A ROF boost and a damage boost will probably not happen as it directly goes against that agenda. Farther zoom REALLY hurts when trying to use the Scope at closer range. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because of the ability to make weapons go farther; it was the biggest example of "I haz more SP lulz" in the game at the time. I doubt bringing it back is on the table. Also, bonuses should not only affect a single weapon. "Better optimal range with Rail Rifle" only helps Rail Rifle whereas the other bonuses at LEAST work on two weapons.
The Gallente is only when shooting from the hip. Giving it to the Rail Rifle, which is almost always used in ADS, would be a waste. Reload speed really doesn't help in close combat. The only scenario is helps is if BOTH combatants run out of ammunition and go to reload and not a single one of them swaps to a side arm. Side Arms should be used to cover the "I have to reload" problem, not faster reload times.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:39:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:CCP wants to increase Time to Kill. A ROF boost and a damage boost will probably not happen as it directly goes against that agenda. Farther zoom REALLY hurts when trying to use the Scope at closer range. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because of the ability to make weapons go farther; it was the biggest example of "I haz more SP lulz" in the game at the time. I doubt bringing it back is on the table. Also, bonuses should not only affect a single weapon. "Better optimal range with Rail Rifle" only helps Rail Rifle whereas the other bonuses at LEAST work on two weapons.
The Gallente is only when shooting from the hip. Giving it to the Rail Rifle, which is almost always used in ADS, would be a waste. Reload speed really doesn't help in close combat. The only scenario is helps is if BOTH combatants run out of ammunition and go to reload and not a single one of them swaps to a side arm. Side Arms should be used to cover the "I have to reload" problem, not faster reload times.
So what's your suggestion?
also regarding optimals the Sniper would gain an extra 150m range at 5% per level
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:44:00 -
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FIXED:
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Spartykins
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:48:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:+1 but in all honesty it doesn't even matter anymore. It is obvious what the new fotms will be and they will definitely not be using ARs or Rail rifles. And it won't be Caldari or Gallente assaults.
Well, at least the Minnies still have SOMETHING people want.
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Seigfried Warheit
Caught Me With My Pants Down
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:51:00 -
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Spool time reduction seems to be the best suggestion so far its just irks me that the sniper rifles gets nothing really |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:55:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:CCP wants to increase Time to Kill. A ROF boost and a damage boost will probably not happen as it directly goes against that agenda. Farther zoom REALLY hurts when trying to use the Scope at closer range. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because of the ability to make weapons go farther; it was the biggest example of "I haz more SP lulz" in the game at the time. I doubt bringing it back is on the table. Also, bonuses should not only affect a single weapon. "Better optimal range with Rail Rifle" only helps Rail Rifle whereas the other bonuses at LEAST work on two weapons.
The Gallente is only when shooting from the hip. Giving it to the Rail Rifle, which is almost always used in ADS, would be a waste. Reload speed really doesn't help in close combat. The only scenario is helps is if BOTH combatants run out of ammunition and go to reload and not a single one of them swaps to a side arm. Side Arms should be used to cover the "I have to reload" problem, not faster reload times.
So what's your suggestion? also regarding optimals the Sniper would gain an extra 150m range at 5% per level
My suggestion for the Caldari bonus? I have no idea. It is quite a tough thing to say because the Rail Rifle doesn't have too many difficulties other than close quarter combat and trying to give it less of a detriment there is really quite difficult. Reducing the charge time is more meaningless because it still is within the realm of blinking speed (and doesn't help the Sniper Rifle). Reload speed is extremely boring and is not able to be seen where all the SP went for the user. Being able to shoot your ScR more lets you see where the SP went for Amarr, getting a laser focused Assault Rifle (please change the name) tells you where the SP went for Gallente, and having 11 shots in a Mass Driver lets you see what you paid for.
I think it was from King of the Hill where Peggy was describing a bunch of hipsters but it applies to most humans: "They don't know what they want, only what the don't want." So despite not knowing what I want, I know it isn't a reload bonus. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:25:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:CCP wants to increase Time to Kill. A ROF boost and a damage boost will probably not happen as it directly goes against that agenda. Farther zoom REALLY hurts when trying to use the Scope at closer range. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because of the ability to make weapons go farther; it was the biggest example of "I haz more SP lulz" in the game at the time. I doubt bringing it back is on the table. Also, bonuses should not only affect a single weapon. "Better optimal range with Rail Rifle" only helps Rail Rifle whereas the other bonuses at LEAST work on two weapons.
The Gallente is only when shooting from the hip. Giving it to the Rail Rifle, which is almost always used in ADS, would be a waste. Reload speed really doesn't help in close combat. The only scenario is helps is if BOTH combatants run out of ammunition and go to reload and not a single one of them swaps to a side arm. Side Arms should be used to cover the "I have to reload" problem, not faster reload times.
So what's your suggestion? also regarding optimals the Sniper would gain an extra 150m range at 5% per level My suggestion for the Caldari bonus? I have no idea. It is quite a tough thing to say because the Rail Rifle doesn't have too many difficulties other than close quarter combat and trying to give it less of a detriment there is really quite difficult. Reducing the charge time is more meaningless because it still is within the realm of blinking speed (and doesn't help the Sniper Rifle). Reload speed is extremely boring and is not able to be seen where all the SP went for the user. Being able to shoot your ScR more lets you see where the SP went for Amarr, getting a laser focused Assault Rifle (please change the name) tells you where the SP went for Gallente, and having 11 shots in a Mass Driver lets you see what you paid for. I think it was from King of the Hill where Peggy was describing a bunch of hipsters but it applies to most humans: "They don't know what they want, only what the don't want." So despite not knowing what I want, I know it isn't a reload bonus. Hmm okay... good point.
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