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Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Luna Angelo wrote:

Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7.

Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light.

In pub matches you cant find 2 AV players to work together so if you make a tank require a crew of 2-4 with increased HP/PG/CPU/Slots with 4 proto pilot suits which then requires 2-4 AV to work together and destroy it infantry will cry even harder mainly because they struggle with AV now so getting 4 players would be impossible

I saw Swarms just the other night and so I decided to pull out my own. I didn't know the bluedot who had them and I got myself a Madrugar kill with an un-modded CBR-7.

Last night, I killed a gunnlogi with some Wiyrkomi AV grenades, with help from friendly anonymous bluedot swarms.

^^This invalidates the beginning of your argument.

Secondly, I would appreciate if you ceased fearmongering regarding the pilot suit. You seem to have based your entire argument on a dropsuit that is as of yet non-existent in game. When it is in game, we can cross that bridge, not before.

What follows is all speculation, though so is nearly 100% of your argument against Crew Service.

Lastly, you also seem to be under the impression that the different pilot suits would have effects on the same HAVs, when we get them, IDK that that is how it will work. Look at how CCP is attempting to give racial fidelity to dropsuits and weapons, do you really think that they wouldn't do the same with dropsuits and vehicles?

Beyond that, you seem to also be under the impression that all of the dropsuits in the HAV would stack bonuses, I would imagine that, if CCP included Crew Service, they would tie the pilot suit (if it turns out to be more than vaporware) bonuses to seats (i.e. driver would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for driving type things, gunners would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for gunner type things). I seriously doubt that they would give the pilot suits blanket stacking bonuses to the vehicle. TBH, I doubt that more than one pilot per HAV would have any point (likely only applying if the pilot is the driver of the HAV).

Can you just admit that you're against Crew Service since you don't want to have to share your dropsuit security blanket with 3 others?

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Y-BLOCK BioCyberDevelopment 1	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:21:00 - [1] - Quote Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2439	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:27:00 - [2] - Quote Limit suits then 2 assault/2 logi/ 2 heavy 5 scouts/5 commandos Intelligence is OP
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5670	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:30:00 - [3] - Quote Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. I, too, have spent a lot of time and money on this game, and I'll be damned if I have to limit my tanking playstyle to accommodate your infantry playstyle. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3126	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:30:00 - [4] - Quote Just stop it alright? I'm tired of people with their selfish ideas who continue to ruin my experience because they don't know how to suck it up and deal with it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 715	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:35:00 - [5] - Quote Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1546	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:37:00 - [6] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 353	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:38:00 - [7] - Quote silly wabit, there is a limit... isnt it like 7 vehicles???? Luck is just one of my skills
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 871	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:43:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Limit suits then 2 assault/2 logi/ 2 heavy 5 scouts/5 commandos Ok, make suits immune to tank damage
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1546	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:46:00 - [9] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Limit suits then 2 assault/2 logi/ 2 heavy 5 scouts/5 commandos Ok, make suits immune to tank damage That would just be OP, just make dropsuits have the same amount of resistance to vehicle damage as vehicles have to light weapon damage. Even then, IDK that it would help much Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
voidfaction Void of Faction 135	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:46:00 - [10] - Quote If only there was a way to make everyone happy. OH WAIT there is. Make a game mode with no vehicles and one with. then all the tanks go play with themselves and those like me that hate vehicles can play without. NO NERF REQUIRED but how many tankers would then cry because they have no infantry to OP, lol

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1546	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:48:00 - [11] - Quote voidfaction wrote: If only there was a way to make everyone happy. OH WAIT there is. Make a game mode with no vehicles and one with. then all the tanks go play with themselves and those like me that hate vehicles can play without. NO NERF REQUIRED but how many tankers would then cry because they have no infantry to OP, lol Playing with yourself makes baby Jesus cry. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Y-BLOCK BioCyberDevelopment 1	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:50:00 - [12] - Quote Been playin since closed beta yo, & there wasnt a bunch of tanks flying around like flock of fying pigs.. U want tanks, then go play a tank game!!...but n all seriousness great responses..
voidfaction Void of Faction 135	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:01:00 - [13] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: voidfaction wrote: If only there was a way to make everyone happy. OH WAIT there is. Make a game mode with no vehicles and one with. then all the tanks go play with themselves and those like me that hate vehicles can play without. NO NERF REQUIRED but how many tankers would then cry because they have no infantry to OP, lol Playing with yourself makes baby Jesus cry. So people that name a baby Jesus should not let him play with himself.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 520	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote Reduce blaster range and give infantry a chance to close the gap. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1175	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:44:00 - [15] - Quote I tank. I agree. But it would be better to just require the sp to make the tank useful. Hoping the mil tanks get nerfed so that AV can dispose of them easily. Mil tank/mil AV. Funny how most all tankers on the forums will justify one tank as being better than one infantry. That is true, it should be. But, then you have to concede that limiting tanks is different than limiting infantry. A tank is a tank you are going to do one thing with that tank. Not everybody is going to bother going FG or AV. Otherwise, infantry don't affect tanks. Tanks effect infantry no matter what. Otherwise, to disagree with limiting tanks is to agree with their eventual nerf to paper thinness. Most tankers have said they prefer strong, nearly invulnerable tanks. I like the latter and I want the sp to matter. That will offset the tank spam. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1763	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. What in war is fair? Go to Call of Duty. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Onesimus Tarsus 1120	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:15:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. What in war is fair? Go to Call of Duty. Nah, they just need to add a slot for every suit that holds one grenade that one-shots a tank every time. However, not many people would use it, because you'd have to run out to the red line every time, and that gets tiresome. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 893	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:26:00 - [18] - Quote nerf blaster damage to infantry so tanks can stay tough. thus making tanks vs infantry more about supression while infantry flanks and flushes them out for tank clean up or vice versa. in other words, tanks rely more on cooperation and teamwork with infantry to kill infantry. Then nerf railguns enough to still trump blasters but no more super quick kills, give the recipient at least some time to react. oh and give a decent damage buff to swarms an AV nades to the current FG levels since their range is garbage. boom vehicles are fixed...(except ADSs...whatever kamikazi viper them if they're OP..) How to get likes: post QQ reply to every thread where a PC corps players post claiming they only win cus "FOTM"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1763	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:50:00 - [19] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. No I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:01:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. No no hes right, make everything require a crew to us. Infantry Suit: 1 person moves legs. 1 person aims weapon. 1 person shoots weapon. Tanks: 1 person moves tank like a **** 1 person aims and shoots like a **** 1 person activates god mode to make up for the lack of intelligence in the game. Youtube Alt # 1 Back on main 3-31-2014

Deadly Goliath Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 43	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:27:00 - [21] - Quote Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. Pff once my whole team in Ambush was tanks....16 tanks we did not lose a single clone, so yeah. Extermination is what i do.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3939	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:32:00 - [22] - Quote Just patch hardeners and be done with it. HAVs aren't OP A dual-hardened HAV is OP I am your scan error.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1546	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:49:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. No Spkr, How can you expect AV to require multiple people to take down an HAV and then turn right around and refuse to have the same restriction applied to you? What is good for the goose is good for the gander too. If I and other Infantry are to rely on the bluedots or our squadmates to help with AV, you and the other Tankers should need to rely on bluedots or your squadmates to help manage your vehicle. IMHO, it is either Crew Service for HAVs or suck it up and deal with getting soloed by one guy with Swarms. This is New Eden, don't expect to HAV your cake and eat it too. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2456	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:00:00 - [24] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. In pub matches you cant find 2 AV players to work together so if you make a tank require a crew of 2-4 with increased HP/PG/CPU/Slots with 4 proto pilot suits which then requires 2-4 AV to work together and destroy it infantry will cry even harder mainly because they struggle with AV now so getting 4 players would be impossible Intelligence is OP
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1548	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:42:00 - [25] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. In pub matches you cant find 2 AV players to work together so if you make a tank require a crew of 2-4 with increased HP/PG/CPU/Slots with 4 proto pilot suits which then requires 2-4 AV to work together and destroy it infantry will cry even harder mainly because they struggle with AV now so getting 4 players would be impossible I saw Swarms just the other night and so I decided to pull out my own. I didn't know the bluedot who had them and I got myself a Madrugar kill with an un-modded CBR-7. Last night, I killed a gunnlogi with some Wiyrkomi AV grenades, with help from friendly anonymous bluedot swarms. ^^This invalidates the beginning of your argument. Secondly, I would appreciate if you ceased fearmongering regarding the pilot suit. You seem to have based your entire argument on a dropsuit that is as of yet non-existent in game. When it is in game, we can cross that bridge, not before. What follows is all speculation, though so is nearly 100% of your argument against Crew Service. Lastly, you also seem to be under the impression that the different pilot suits would have effects on the same HAVs, when we get them, IDK that that is how it will work. Look at how CCP is attempting to give racial fidelity to dropsuits and weapons, do you really think that they wouldn't do the same with dropsuits and vehicles? Beyond that, you seem to also be under the impression that all of the dropsuits in the HAV would stack bonuses, I would imagine that, if CCP included Crew Service, they would tie the pilot suit (if it turns out to be more than vaporware) bonuses to seats (i.e. driver would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for driving type things, gunners would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for gunner type things). I seriously doubt that they would give the pilot suits blanket stacking bonuses to the vehicle. TBH, I doubt that more than one pilot per HAV would have any point (likely only applying if the pilot is the driver of the HAV). Can you just admit that you're against Crew Service since you don't want to have to share your dropsuit security blanket with 3 others? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1776	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:10:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Just... wait and the tanks will be fixed. I paid quite a bit into this game as well. I just want tanks dialed back slightly, enough to where Infantry stand half a chance, and yet, make it more difficult than pre-1.7. Crew Service is the way, the truth and the light. In pub matches you cant find 2 AV players to work together so if you make a tank require a crew of 2-4 with increased HP/PG/CPU/Slots with 4 proto pilot suits which then requires 2-4 AV to work together and destroy it infantry will cry even harder mainly because they struggle with AV now so getting 4 players would be impossible I saw Swarms just the other night and so I decided to pull out my own. I didn't know the bluedot who had them and I got myself a Madrugar kill with an un-modded CBR-7. Last night, I killed a gunnlogi with some Wiyrkomi AV grenades, with help from friendly anonymous bluedot swarms. ^^This invalidates the beginning of your argument. Secondly, I would appreciate if you ceased fearmongering regarding the pilot suit. You seem to have based your entire argument on a dropsuit that is as of yet non-existent in game. When it is in game, we can cross that bridge, not before. What follows is all speculation, though so is nearly 100% of your argument against Crew Service. Lastly, you also seem to be under the impression that the different pilot suits would have effects on the same HAVs, when we get them, IDK that that is how it will work. Look at how CCP is attempting to give racial fidelity to dropsuits and weapons, do you really think that they wouldn't do the same with dropsuits and vehicles? Beyond that, you seem to also be under the impression that all of the dropsuits in the HAV would stack bonuses, I would imagine that, if CCP included Crew Service, they would tie the pilot suit (if it turns out to be more than vaporware) bonuses to seats (i.e. driver would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for driving type things, gunners would only get bonuses if the suit was bonused for gunner type things). I seriously doubt that they would give the pilot suits blanket stacking bonuses to the vehicle. TBH, I doubt that more than one pilot per HAV would have any point (likely only applying if the pilot is the driver of the HAV). Can you just admit that you're against Crew Service since you don't want to have to share your dropsuit security blanket with 3 others? What was the gap of time between those tank kills? Back to back matches? The same match? A day? 3 days? A week? A few isolated situations that don't happen multiple times a day doesn't invalidate an argument. We very rarely come up against coordinated AV, so that invalidates your argument. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1637	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:13:00 - [27] - Quote Deadly Goliath wrote: Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. Pff once my whole team in Ambush was tanks....16 tanks we did not lose a single clone, so yeah. I call BS. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1179	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:18:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. What in war is fair? Go to Call of Duty. Yeah, really. Good thing it's a video game. So, like sports (which is a game) things can start from a standpoint of fairness. But, I wouldn't expect computer nerds who have zero military or sports experience to understand the difference. Seems there are one too many players that try to make up for lack of real military experience by trying to be macho, talking about "being a man" in combat like they know what that is and treating this game like it's the real thing; like it's a duty or something to keep on pushing those objectives instead of grabbing a beer and saying f*ck it. Lol, like this game is any different than Call of Duty anyway. All these FPS combat games are silly kiddie video games. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 500	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:12:00 - [29] - Quote I think tanking would be more interesting if a player could only summon one per match, and if it were destroyed, he was forced to either call another vehicle type or go infantry. It would add all kinds of tension to tanking that's been missing ever since the price dropped.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2942	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:39:00 - [30] - Quote Deadly Goliath wrote: Y-BLOCK wrote: Just came out of a battle where the opposing team had 3 to 4 tanks stomping around with turbo boosters not giving my team a fair chance at a match. There definately needs 2 b limits on the number of tanks allowed at any given moment per team. I have spent alot of time and real money in this game, and I am starting to feel cheated when I cant enjoy a decent fair match. Pff once my whole team in Ambush was tanks....16 tanks we did not lose a single clone, so yeah. Stop trolling/lying. That's literally not possible.



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