DUST Search - Is the combat rifle next???????

John Demonsbane wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ****. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!!

Sorry guy, while I personally don't think the RR is OP, I also don't believe CCP makes balance changes just on forum QQ. They have a ton of hard data on what weapons are getting kills in Dust and are basing nerfs/buffs off of that. Supposedly all rifles are getting some nerfing which may be a good thing, as I think TTK needs to go up some. My worry is that with rifle nerfs combined with resistances means Sentinel suits are going to be little walking battlemechs able to engage whole squads without Sentinels by themselves. Probably will be good for my main character who is logi, but won't be good for the game as a whole.

Also, as someone with a degree in a science, changing so many variables together is a terrible idea to me

Agreed on all counts (nerd epeen moment, I have multiple degrees in the hard sciences

). It's a common diversionary tactic around here to blame the forum community and all the "completely baseless" QQ for getting things nerfed, because there's obviously no possible objective reason that could conflict with their belief that something is not OP.

The bigger issue is not whether or not something CCP thinks is OP really is, because yes for all their flaws they do use some data, it's how they think it needs to be changed. Subtle changes are not so much their style.

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

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HYENAKILLER X KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 553	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! You are welcome for my leadership. Proven Aggressive Type I have spoken.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1888	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:44:00 - [2] - Quote I think they're all next, except the LR, which is as it should be. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 614	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:45:00 - [3] - Quote only if next means it needs to be better balanced. low damage, solid from short to mid range. high ROF. avg hip fire. our battery of questions for CPM1 candidates: http://tinyurl.com/mjvwe7f
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 140	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:49:00 - [4] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! Actually a lot of people have complained about tanks, to the point that tanks are going to have their mods looked at again and changed. Rail Rifles are also going under the nerf bat during next update, aim assist is also not as high tweeked as it used to be thankfully as well.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1581	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:54:00 - [5] - Quote Confirming that Combat Rifle is next on the nerf QQ list. And for a good reason. CCP forgot why they had to fix the TAC. Make it fire in 3-round bursts with a slight pause only and we're all good. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1847	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:59:00 - [6] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! why are you not using aim assist? Pride? Just wondering Armor and Shields are not the same!
Tectonic Fusion 1034	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:00:00 - [7] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Confirming that Combat Rifle is next on the nerf QQ list. And for a good reason. CCP forgot why they had to fix the TAC. Make it fire in 3-round bursts with a slight pause only and we're all good. Use the burst assault rifle to see how crap that would be. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3096	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:23:00 - [8] - Quote Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ***. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.* For the State!! [email protected]
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1873	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:47:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ***. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! So let me ask you what the base DPS of the 4 rifles are? Do you not think the AR should have the highest base DPS? Do you nkt think the AR is already strong enough? Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 729	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:15:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ****. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! So let me ask you what the base DPS of the 4 rifles are? Do you not think the AR should have the highest base DPS? Do you nkt think the AR is already strong enough? I guess I don't understand why they just don't buff the AR by mild increase to ROF and hip fire accuracy or even give it a sight similar to the SCR instead of whipping out the nerf bat and kneecapping everything else in sight. If TTK is the reason....Try using dropsuit stats or modules to help rather than CHANGING WEAPONS FOR THE 15th TIME! "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 729	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:16:00 - [11] - Quote Double post "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1859	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote OFF WITH ITS HEAAD!!!!! New born sAMARRi
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3106	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:39:00 - [13] - Quote The AR should have been left alone. Why nerf it when you don't even have all the weapons in to judge? The RR...its kryptonite is the CR and SCR. But yea...we don't talk about that. If the SCR was more used, best believe that would have been first on the chopping block. And that damn CR in the right hands is deadly. But let's talk about the RR since blueberries like to copycat and think they know what they are talking about. It's absurd. You don't need to stroke your mathematical epeen to realize this. Cut out the Rain Man syndrome and get with reality of the situation. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4449	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:41:00 - [14] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! THERE IS PEOPLE THAT USE MODDED CONTROLLERS AND KBM in ORDER to have an ADVANTAGE over the opponent They Equipment spam to create latency problems and you THINK they will turn AA off. LULZ AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 195	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:47:00 - [15] - Quote Lets just make every weapon kill you with 1 shot. Problem solved. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 140	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: The AR should have been left alone. Why nerf it when you don't even have all the weapons in to judge? The RR...its kryptonite is the CR and SCR. But yea...we don't talk about that. If the SCR was more used, best believe that would have been first on the chopping block. And that damn CR in the right hands is deadly. But let's talk about the RR since blueberries like to copycat and think they know what they are talking about. It's absurd. You don't need to stroke your mathematical epeen to realize this. Cut out the Rain Man syndrome and get with reality of the situation. yeah...so loved the scr would be....except you forget the fact that the scr gets screwed over by overheating which can kill you and leave you vunerable for around 5 seconds to basically die. Lets also love how the charge up for the SCR will usually just glitch and not hit anything useful unless you know the headshot glitch with it. It will never be that popular of a weapon because it has a lot of weaknesses the Rail Rifle really doesn't.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 657	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:23:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ****. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! Sorry guy, while I personally don't think the RR is OP, I also don't believe CCP makes balance changes just on forum QQ. They have a ton of hard data on what weapons are getting kills in Dust and are basing nerfs/buffs off of that. Supposedly all rifles are getting some nerfing which may be a good thing, as I think TTK needs to go up some. My worry is that with rifle nerfs combined with resistances means Sentinel suits are going to be little walking battlemechs able to engage whole squads without Sentinels by themselves. Probably will be good for my main character who is logi, but won't be good for the game as a whole. Also, as someone with a degree in a science, changing so many variables together is a terrible idea to me Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1875	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:28:00 - [18] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ***. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! So let me ask you what the base DPS of the 4 rifles are? Do you not think the AR should have the highest base DPS? Do you nkt think the AR is already strong enough? I guess I don't understand why they just don't buff the AR by mild increase to ROF and hip fire accuracy or even give it a sight similar to the SCR instead of whipping out the nerf bat and kneecapping everything else in sight. If TTK is the reason....Try using dropsuit stats or modules to help rather than CHANGING WEAPONS FOR THE 15th TIME! They have changed suits considerably more often than the weapons. In older builds heavies had as much health as our current tanks. Also if they change a stat on a weapon the weapon is the only thing effected. If you increase EHP you havevto buff ALL health related modules. Thats a lot of work, nerfing the rifles is the better solution this time around. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1896	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:48:00 - [19] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this **. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! Sorry guy, while I personally don't think the RR is OP, I also don't believe CCP makes balance changes just on forum QQ. They have a ton of hard data on what weapons are getting kills in Dust and are basing nerfs/buffs off of that. Supposedly all rifles are getting some nerfing which may be a good thing, as I think TTK needs to go up some. My worry is that with rifle nerfs combined with resistances means Sentinel suits are going to be little walking battlemechs able to engage whole squads without Sentinels by themselves. Probably will be good for my main character who is logi, but won't be good for the game as a whole. Also, as someone with a degree in a science, changing so many variables together is a terrible idea to me Agreed on all counts (nerd epeen moment, I have multiple degrees in the hard sciences). It's a common diversionary tactic around here to blame the forum community and all the "completely baseless" QQ for getting things nerfed, because there's obviously no possible objective reason that could conflict with their belief that something is not OP. The bigger issue is not whether or not something CCP thinks is OP really is, because yes for all their flaws they do use some data, it's how they think it needs to be changed. Subtle changes are not so much their style. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 659	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:52:00 - [20] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this **. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! Sorry guy, while I personally don't think the RR is OP, I also don't believe CCP makes balance changes just on forum QQ. They have a ton of hard data on what weapons are getting kills in Dust and are basing nerfs/buffs off of that. Supposedly all rifles are getting some nerfing which may be a good thing, as I think TTK needs to go up some. My worry is that with rifle nerfs combined with resistances means Sentinel suits are going to be little walking battlemechs able to engage whole squads without Sentinels by themselves. Probably will be good for my main character who is logi, but won't be good for the game as a whole. Also, as someone with a degree in a science, changing so many variables together is a terrible idea to me Agreed on all counts (nerd epeen moment, I have multiple degrees in the hard sciences). It's a common diversionary tactic around here to blame the forum community and all the "completely baseless" QQ for getting things nerfed, because there's obviously no possible objective reason** that could conflict with their belief that something is not OP. The bigger issue is not whether or not something CCP thinks is OP really is, because yes for all their flaws they do use some data, it's how they think it needs to be changed. Subtle changes are not so much their style. You out nerd me good sir, I only have my M.S. in biology (and an M.S. in Education, but that's a fluff degree). Anyway, think that CCP runs an ANOVA to determine which of the things they change is really producing the desired effect? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 629	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:55:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Are you telling me they are nerfing the RR?!!!! Based on people who just play ambush pub matches!!!!!!! Alright, I might stick around for a bit. But that just pissed me off. I can't believe this ****. It's getting real old how a bunch of short sighted pub players who don't rarely know what they are talking about can get CCP to nerf weapons that don't need any nerfing. Alright, I'm answering some posts and its time to get some beer. Morons!! CCP does not balance around forum warriors, they use stats. If they see one weapon dominating the field, there's a good chance that will at least take a look at it. Don't fret though I'm sure RR will be fine, it's a rifle after all. CCP will not make it a 2nd class weapons like all the weapons outside of the main 4.
HYENAKILLER X KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 557	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:50:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! why are you not using aim assist? Pride? Just wondering Yea pretty much. Also shame on everyone who is crying nerf rr and cr. You are welcome for my leadership. Proven Aggressive Type I have spoken.
Aria Gomes Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.02.08 07:00:00 - [23] - Quote Spec into both!! ScR Pistols are fun though. I gotta dual ScR pistol fit. One Breach and One Assault. Try it sometime. :) breach hits harder though it's rate of fire is slower than the regular and assault variant.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1172	Posted - 2014.02.08 08:15:00 - [24] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Should I spec into shot guns or pistols? Something that guys who werent quick enough to get a tank delivered wont fear or have a fighting chance against might do it. I stopped using aim assist and lost 6 points in 1 month off of my kdr and havent cried once about rail rifles or combat rifles. The fact that tanks OPENLY ruin game after game after game yet no one says sht is obsurd. Scrubs run this game. Please try using the combat rifle WITHOUT aim assist. If you cant aim fire rate, damage mods and armor will not help you. And if you do use aim assist why do you care about any rifle. Dust 514 community: grow a pair! Lol, get outside some and grow a pair. This is a video game. Give me all the assist I can get. Go measure your epeen somewhere else. Really, the console leet kiddie crowd would have complained about Pac-Man being too easy because it had power pellets, Space Invaders too good because it had barriers to hide behind. Drink a beer (or Apple Juice if under age) sit back, press the buttons and laugh. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1897	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:37:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: You out nerd me good sir, I only have my M.S. in biology (and an M.S. in Education, but that's a fluff degree). Anyway, think that CCP runs an ANOVA to determine which of the things they change is really producing the desired effect? LOL. That's a fair assumption, since, as you mentioned they tend to change too many variables at once, which suggests to me that they don't have the worlds most sophisticated approach to it. ANOVA, being so commonly used, would make sense. Tbh, I don't know enough about the more sophisticated methods (that's what biostatisticans are for!) to say if there's a better suited one. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!

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