DUST Search - Tentative Laser Rifle changes for Uprising 1.8

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Garth Mandra wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Garth Mandra wrote:

I still think the laser needs more base damage as it progresses from standard to proto.

All the other weapons get more damage AND some additional stuff like accuracy, range, charge time, etc.

Also all the other rifles get increased range as they progress though the tiers. I don't personally like this but the laser should get it too.

Oh well something is better than nothing.

It gets more damage in the form of omega damage. The longer you hold the laser rifle, the more damage it does. And this isn't one-to-one either; as time moves linearly the damage increases exponentially. So by having less heat build up with higher tiers, you are able to tap into damage values far higher than the standard laser rifle can possibly achieve.

Exponential? I was under the impression it was linear.

Long long ago in beta some claimed that Wolfman said on IRC that the formula was something like:

Damage = base damage + 0.8 * shots fired

This seems to fit with my personal, vague observations.

I wonder if once of the devs could tell use how it works at the moment.

Hm, I have always heard exponential and from my experience that is how it appeared to have worked, but who know you could be right. A dev response to clear this up would be nice.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8929	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:13:00 - [31] - Quote This pleases me Pets my Templar laser rifle soon you will rise again Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3082	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:14:00 - [32] - Quote I hated that sound. That sound of impending doom... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6745	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:47:00 - [33] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: About damn time. Would love to see more Amarr and Gallente weapons on the field. We'll bring the swag if you bring the hook.....um the beers...... Could have sworn it that said bears. "Swag and Bears" Searched google image and found swag bear. We have created the ultimate Gal/Amarr faction. **** sisters of Eve....All Hail the rise of the Swagbears! "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6507	Posted - 2014.02.07 06:09:00 - [34] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I have to admit I am a bit worried. Not due to the buff of the laser, that overjoys me. With the loss of the reduction to heat build-up of the amarrian assault suits, does this mean that the laser is still going to be kinda meh? Especially at standard levels? To put it another way... they laser is pretty horrible on non-assault suits at present, will these changes mean that the standard laser = laser on non-assault suits now, but with more range? I use the standard laser rifle on my Commando and do just fine Not that a buff isn't needed, but calling it "meh" is grossly over-exaggerating how bad it is. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6507	Posted - 2014.02.07 06:11:00 - [35] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: I still think the laser needs more base damage as it progresses from standard to proto. All the other weapons get more damage AND some additional stuff like accuracy, range, charge time, etc. Also all the other rifles get increased range as they progress though the tiers. I don't personally like this but the laser should get it too. Oh well something is better than nothing. It gets more damage in the form of omega damage. The longer you hold the laser rifle, the more damage it does. And this isn't one-to-one either; as time moves linearly the damage increases exponentially. So by having less heat build up with higher tiers, you are able to tap into damage values far higher than the standard laser rifle can possibly achieve. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 313	Posted - 2014.02.07 06:16:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: I still think the laser needs more base damage as it progresses from standard to proto. All the other weapons get more damage AND some additional stuff like accuracy, range, charge time, etc. Also all the other rifles get increased range as they progress though the tiers. I don't personally like this but the laser should get it too. Oh well something is better than nothing. It gets more damage in the form of omega damage. The longer you hold the laser rifle, the more damage it does. And this isn't one-to-one either; as time moves linearly the damage increases exponentially. So by having less heat build up with higher tiers, you are able to tap into damage values far higher than the standard laser rifle can possibly achieve. Exponential? I was under the impression it was linear. Long long ago in beta some claimed that Wolfman said on IRC that the formula was something like: Damage = base damage + 0.8 * shots fired This seems to fit with my personal, vague observations. I wonder if once of the devs could tell use how it works at the moment.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6508	Posted - 2014.02.07 06:23:00 - [37] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: I still think the laser needs more base damage as it progresses from standard to proto. All the other weapons get more damage AND some additional stuff like accuracy, range, charge time, etc. Also all the other rifles get increased range as they progress though the tiers. I don't personally like this but the laser should get it too. Oh well something is better than nothing. It gets more damage in the form of omega damage. The longer you hold the laser rifle, the more damage it does. And this isn't one-to-one either; as time moves linearly the damage increases exponentially. So by having less heat build up with higher tiers, you are able to tap into damage values far higher than the standard laser rifle can possibly achieve. Exponential? I was under the impression it was linear. Long long ago in beta some claimed that Wolfman said on IRC that the formula was something like: Damage = base damage + 0.8 * shots fired This seems to fit with my personal, vague observations. I wonder if once of the devs could tell use how it works at the moment. Hm, I have always heard exponential and from my experience that is how it appeared to have worked, but who know you could be right. A dev response to clear this up would be nice. And Aero said unto his children, "LET THERE BE A REGISTRY" CPM Info and Q&A -Status: Open
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 313	Posted - 2014.02.07 06:32:00 - [38] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: I still think the laser needs more base damage as it progresses from standard to proto. All the other weapons get more damage AND some additional stuff like accuracy, range, charge time, etc. Also all the other rifles get increased range as they progress though the tiers. I don't personally like this but the laser should get it too. Oh well something is better than nothing. It gets more damage in the form of omega damage. The longer you hold the laser rifle, the more damage it does. And this isn't one-to-one either; as time moves linearly the damage increases exponentially. So by having less heat build up with higher tiers, you are able to tap into damage values far higher than the standard laser rifle can possibly achieve. Exponential? I was under the impression it was linear. Long long ago in beta some claimed that Wolfman said on IRC that the formula was something like: Damage = base damage + 0.8 * shots fired This seems to fit with my personal, vague observations. I wonder if once of the devs could tell use how it works at the moment. Hm, I have always heard exponential and from my experience that is how it appeared to have worked, but who know you could be right. A dev response to clear this up would be nice. Here we go. This is the original tertiary source (code itself would be primary source, Wolfman describing the code secondary, observation of Wolfman describing the code tertiary). It's more than a year old but I suspect that it's still correct (if it was ever correct). Perhaps the scale factor has changed but the form is probably the same.
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 23	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:25:00 - [39] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: About damn time. Would love to see more Amarr and Gallente weapons on the field. Does running around like an idiot with a swarm launcher count?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1352	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:51:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: About damn time. Would love to see more Amarr and Gallente weapons on the field. We'll bring the swag if you bring the hook.....um the beers...... Please leave the swag and bring the light show! "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy

RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 728	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:27:00 - [41] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: About damn time. Would love to see more Amarr and Gallente weapons on the field. Does running around like an idiot with a swarm launcher count? No. It's calamari (say hi to Sam from me!) Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 721	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:33:00 - [42] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: cedz636 wrote: If a dropsuit was made of a reflective material like that of a mirror, or polished aluminum or chrome, would laser and/or light projectiles reflect back at the shooter? I'm just sayin... It would only work if the surface was absolutely 100% reflective. A typical mirror would maybe prevent it from dealing damage for a few microseconds, but even it would absorb enough energy to just melt like everything else. The best defense against a Laser Weapon would be thick heat thick armor with great heat dispersion qualities. Even if the other empires managed to develop 100% reflective surfaces, the Amarr could just use different wavelength frequencies to bypass it completely. Mirrors don't stop Radio Waves... My tinfoil hat does though. Shiny side OUT. ALWAYS! That way, they can't read your thoughts. I also use a flashlight to see what the dark looks like. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1168	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:55:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No, no, no, no! OMG NO! ****!! This is bad, oh this is so bad. I'm having nightmares already... Nay brother fear not. The righteous will never turn their arms against those who given unto our glorious Empire. You can't huge you children with nuclear arms. Think about it... {:)}{3GÇó>
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Buster Friently Rosen Association 1810	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:24:00 - [45] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: cedz636 wrote: If a dropsuit was made of a reflective material like that of a mirror, or polished aluminum or chrome, would laser and/or light projectiles reflect back at the shooter? I'm just sayin... It would only work if the surface was absolutely 100% reflective. A typical mirror would maybe prevent it from dealing damage for a few microseconds, but even it would absorb enough energy to just melt like everything else. The best defense against a Laser Weapon would be thick heat thick armor with great heat dispersion qualities. Even if the other empires managed to develop 100% reflective surfaces, the Amarr could just use different wavelength frequencies to bypass it completely. Mirrors don't stop Radio Waves... This is all down to frequency. Oh, and mirrors do stop radio waves. They're called radio telescopes. Mirrors aren't effective against real military lasers because most of them are in the infrared, and thus are essentially "heat" lasers. A proper reflector made to the correct frequency would though. As you've stated though, some absorption would still occur, especially for higher power lasers.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2510	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:28:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No, no, no, no! OMG NO! ****!! This is bad, oh this is so bad. I'm having nightmares already... Suddenly the Minmitar SentinelGÇÖs bonuses are looking more appealing... Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2510	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:32:00 - [47] - Quote cedz636 wrote: If a dropsuit was made of a reflective material like that of a mirror, or polished aluminum or chrome, would laser and/or light projectiles reflect back at the shooter? I'm just sayin... It is more likely that it would get deflected in some other random direction. The Minmitar Sentinel must get their bonus through good head dispersion, because it certainly is not from reflection. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2510	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:44:00 - [48] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I have to admit I am a bit worried. Not due to the buff of the laser, that overjoys me. With the loss of the reduction to heat build-up of the amarrian assault suits, does this mean that the laser is still going to be kinda meh? Especially at standard levels? To put it another way... they laser is pretty horrible on non-assault suits at present, will these changes mean that the standard laser = laser on non-assault suits now, but with more range? They ditched the first set of proposed bonuses and now the Amarr Assault is getting to keep the %5 reduction to Laser weapon heat build-up per level bonus. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1730418#post1730418 Unless they changed their minds again, but I think if they did they would have edited the linked post as it is stickied. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2510	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:49:00 - [49] - Quote My concern is that they are nerfing the Infantry Rifles and buffing the Laser Rifle at the same time. You know what happens when CCP nerf one thing and buff another... Yup, that 15% resistance to lasers on the Minmatar Sentinel is definitely looking better and batter... Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1660	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:02:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No, no, no, no! OMG NO! ****!! This is bad, oh this is so bad. I'm having nightmares already... I don't really believe increased damage at short range was needed but higher effective range definitely was. Short range damage is about right because it is so powerful at optimal. The LR needs a wider optimal, about 20M more range added and a fall off that isn't so steep. I don't think we need to go all overboard with it, it just needs a few minor tweaks to become a very good weapon, it is already probably the best weapon in its optimal. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1772	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:55:00 - [51] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: My concern is that they are nerfing the Infantry Rifles and buffing the Laser Rifle at the same time. You know what happens when CCP nerf one thing and buff another... Yup, that 15% resistance to lasers on the Minmatar Sentinel is definitely looking better and batter... It seems to me that the rifles aren't the only thing getting nerfed. CCP is looking at TTK as a whole. I'm wondering if they aren't going to roll back the blanket 10% damage buff they did after removing the Weaponry Skill bonus... that would leave all weapons in relatively the same state of balance, with longer overall TTK. Anyway, yes. I am finding myself both excited that the Laser Rifle is getting a buff and happy I'm planning on speccing into Minmatar Sentinel at the same time... (Total side note, I always wanted to know the math behind how the Laser Rifle works. Now I know. Fuggin awesome. Now I need to figure out how many shots the Laser Rifle fires a second, and I can finally figure out the damn DPS of the thing...) I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2144	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:01:00 - [52] - Quote opens closet "Your day is coming again, my precioussssss....." "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 387	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:11:00 - [53] - Quote I knew this thread was coming when Logibro posted them earlier, should called it then. Logibro blue tag 32db Mad Bomber.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2567	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:41:00 - [54] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: cedz636 wrote: If a dropsuit was made of a reflective material like that of a mirror, or polished aluminum or chrome, would laser and/or light projectiles reflect back at the shooter? I'm just sayin... It would only work if the surface was absolutely 100% reflective. A typical mirror would maybe prevent it from dealing damage for a few microseconds, but even it would absorb enough energy to just melt like everything else. The best defense against a Laser Weapon would be thick heat thick armor with great heat dispersion qualities. Even if the other empires managed to develop 100% reflective surfaces, the Amarr could just use different wavelength frequencies to bypass it completely. Mirrors don't stop Radio Waves... Radio waves huh "I cant get this Katy Perry song out of my head, what a horrible way to die" I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Rusty Shallows 1043	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:59:00 - [55] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No, no, no, no! OMG NO! ****!! This is bad, oh this is so bad. I'm having nightmares already... It's not like they're bringing back the "beam cooking" feature. Hopefully Uprising 1.8 will do for the laser rifle that the December fix did for the HMG. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6900	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:08:00 - [56] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I knew this thread was coming when Logibro posted them earlier, should called it then. Logibro blue tag Check out the date, this was before Logibro said anything Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 299	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:50:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: GIMME GIMME GUMME GUMME GUMMY GUMMY GUMMY NAOW! Naoooooows Laser heavy to the rescue Real heavies use lasers
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 260	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:58:00 - [58] - Quote Im just interested in one thingie, and that thingie is how it will working on battlefield :P Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2014.02.27 01:00:00 - [59] - Quote I will welcome the return of the laser to a fully functional status. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 488	Posted - 2014.02.27 01:03:00 - [60] - Quote dat zoom buff.



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