DUST Search - About Matari OBs

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Shiruba Ryou wrote:

m twiggz wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Makes no sense.

Caldari = Hybrid (got that right)
Amarr = Laser (got that right)
Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP)
Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong)

I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

Rebalance should be;

Caldari = Hybrid
Amarr = Laser
Gallente = EMP
Minmatar = Projectile

You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you?

Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM.

Is a Minmatar weapon.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4403	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:10:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2499	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote Indeed, shouldnt you guys just be dropping big rocks that are made of smaller rocks duct taped together? That is the pinnacle of minnie technology right Guys I think my helmet is stuck. Guys?
Billi Gene 474	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:19:00 - [3] - Quote Projectile Ammo comes in all sorts of flavours, all do kinetic damage of some sort but also thermal, EMP and explosive (not all at the same time. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 222	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs? Instead of the EMP OB we got right now? Fear The Tribes / Standings Minmatar 5 / Gallente 5 / Pilot
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:26:00 - [5] - Quote Give Fusion S OB ammo... Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4404	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs? Instead of the EMP OB we got right now? That's what we use most yes. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 222	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs? Instead of the EMP OB we got right now? That's what we use most yes. I know, im just confused why we have EMP. Fear The Tribes / Standings Minmatar 5 / Gallente 5 / Pilot
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 683	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:38:00 - [8] - Quote If anything, amarr would get the EMP. We should add Nuclear and keep the EMP. Amarr gets rapid deployment and precision, gallente/caldari gets slower deployment larger damage/radius Minmatar gets versatility. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4411	Posted - 2014.02.07 00:34:00 - [9] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Indeed, shouldnt you guys just be dropping big rocks that are made of smaller rocks duct taped together? That is the pinnacle of minnie technology right Well sir I think you'd do well to hear my response. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 535	Posted - 2014.02.07 00:55:00 - [10] - Quote Maybe because a nuclear OB would wipe the map? Are we really asking this question? Any other ammo type, Phased Plasma, Titanium Sabot, Carbonzed Lead, Proton, and Depleted Uranium would just be a slower "regular" (the hybrid kind) bombardment. Plus, with the Amarr being so capacitor dependent lore-wise, EMP might be a proper recial flavor for the Matari to prefer. I contribute nothing.

Rolf The Viking PiZzA DuDeS 26	Posted - 2014.02.07 01:12:00 - [11] - Quote I think we should lower a giant blunderbuss barrel and then fire a $&(@/$ ton of glass shards, dirt, and nails over that section of the battlefield.... Kinda like a junkyard farting.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4426	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote Bump Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:07:00 - [13] - Quote Hail would make sense
Minmatar Mercenary 9292 Science For Death 405	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Indeed, shouldnt you guys just be dropping big rocks that are made of smaller rocks duct taped together? That is the pinnacle of minnie technology right Well sir I think you'd do well to hear my response. I dunno man, im pretty sure he is right and a Matari OB would look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9wVQ9jWC8
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1537	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: Projectile Ammo comes in all sorts of flavours, all do kinetic damage of some sort but also thermal, EMP and explosive (not all at the same time. I wish they would've given us Tactical DU S Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1537	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:26:00 - [16] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Hail would make sense If we're going T2, I want Tactical Quake Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 342	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:39:00 - [17] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Makes no sense. Caldari = Hybrid (got that right) Amarr = Laser (got that right) Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP) Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong) I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. Rebalance should be; Caldari = Hybrid Amarr = Laser Gallente = EMP Minmatar = Projectile
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 342	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:43:00 - [18] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Maybe because a nuclear OB would wipe the map? Are we really asking this question? Any other ammo type, Phased Plasma, Titanium Sabot, Carbonzed Lead, Proton, and Depleted Uranium would just be a slower "regular" (the hybrid kind) bombardment. Plus, with the Amarr being so capacitor dependent lore-wise, EMP might be a proper recial flavor for the Matari to prefer. EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 536	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:56:00 - [19] - Quote m twiggz wrote: EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice. Yes, it wipes out shields, but it also disables equipment and can destroy turrets. EVE ships just have a lot more EMP hardening to protect their internal systems. Things are less EMP hardened on the ground, apparently. Plus, look at your recommendation: m twiggz wrote: I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. You want the Matari OB to be exactly like the Amarr OB in fuction, if not form. That doesn't add variety into the game, and that's what I said in the post you quoted. Why do people want to take variety out and put in mere reskins? I contribute nothing.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 343	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:02:00 - [20] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: m twiggz wrote: EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice. Yes, it wipes out shields, but it also disables equipment and can destroy turrets. EVE ships just have a lot more EMP hardening to protect their internal systems. Things are less EMP hardened on the ground, apparently. Plus, look at your recommendation: m twiggz wrote: I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. You want the Matari OB to be exactly like the Amarr OB in fuction, if not form. That doesn't add variety into the game, and that's what I said in the post you quoted. Why do people want to take variety out and put in mere reskins? I said something LIKE the laser, not identical with a different name. I am the LAST person to take variety out of this already dull game. Honestly a small AoE high RoF low DPS OB for Minmatar would make sense. They use projectile weaponry, high RoF with low DPS. How does that not make sense? Perhaps it wouldn't add variety in a grand scheme of things, but things also have to, or should, make sense to the 10+ year old lore. Just saying. Don't mind me. PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets.

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 536	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:35:00 - [21] - Quote m twiggz wrote: PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets. My apologies, when I said "EMP does X," I was talking of Flux grenades and (erroneously) assumed the OB worked the same way (as they are functionally identical.) IMO EMP OBs should at the least do everything fluxes do. Anyways, maybe we can compromise on the fact that the EMP warheads in the OP are delivered by a projectile shell? I contribute nothing.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1735	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:38:00 - [22] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs? Instead of the EMP OB we got right now? Basically everybody should get different types of OB ammo. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1649	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:42:00 - [23] - Quote I think the EMP OB needs some other effects to make it more useful. Like disabling the tacnet for anyone caught in the blast area for a significant period of time and slowing down turret turn speeds (ie: the electronics are disabled, so the turrets have to be turned manually)
Jakar Umbra Altyr Initiative 510	Posted - 2014.02.07 18:50:00 - [24] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Because the Matari love their blast radius and artillery and if they drop any bombs from orbit that aren't EMP they'll probably cover the entirety of the large socket structure because it will probably be a thermonuclear bomb... or several. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Reading General Discussions kills brain cells.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1537	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:36:00 - [25] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: m twiggz wrote: PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets. My apologies, when I said "EMP does X," I was talking of Flux grenades and (erroneously) assumed the OB worked the same way (as they are functionally identical.) IMO EMP OBs should at the least do everything fluxes do. Anyways, maybe we can compromise on the fact that the EMP warheads in the OP are delivered by a projectile shell? AFAIK, Flux do not kill turrets anymore. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Shiruba Ryou 205	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:45:00 - [26] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Makes no sense. Caldari = Hybrid (got that right) Amarr = Laser (got that right) Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP) Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong) I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. Rebalance should be; Caldari = Hybrid Amarr = Laser Gallente = EMP Minmatar = Projectile You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you? Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1537	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:46:00 - [27] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: m twiggz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Makes no sense. Caldari = Hybrid (got that right) Amarr = Laser (got that right) Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP) Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong) I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. Rebalance should be; Caldari = Hybrid Amarr = Laser Gallente = EMP Minmatar = Projectile You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you? Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM. Is a Minmatar weapon. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 68	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:49:00 - [28] - Quote What about a neutralizing effect? Maybe the EMP puts all installations into neutral mode? Meaning, the blast would take out all deployable equipment, including cloaks (would drain their cap), and on top all installations except nullcannons would turn neutral again! But generally I think the EMP should be a gallente ammunition, since the flux grenade is gallente too. The minmatar ammo could be some kind of explosive shells with massive blast radius, good for destroying installations and tanks. It needs to be good against armor, but sub par against shields.
Shiruba Ryou 205	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:50:00 - [29] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: m twiggz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout Makes no sense. Caldari = Hybrid (got that right) Amarr = Laser (got that right) Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP) Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong) I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS. Rebalance should be; Caldari = Hybrid Amarr = Laser Gallente = EMP Minmatar = Projectile You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you? Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM. Is a Minmatar weapon. I was using it for a missile example. Pretty sure in EvE's history the weapon manufacture doesn't dictate who uses something best. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`


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