DUSTSearch ForumWatch http://dustsearch.com/ The alternative DUST514 Forum browser. en-us Tue, 9 Sep 2025 00:00:00 +0000 DUSTSearch RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Shiruba Ryou]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811742#post1811742 Alaika Arbosa wrote:
Shiruba Ryou wrote:
m twiggz wrote:
Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Makes no sense.

Caldari = Hybrid (got that right)
Amarr = Laser (got that right)
Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP)
Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong)

I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

Rebalance should be;

Caldari = Hybrid
Amarr = Laser
Gallente = EMP
Minmatar = Projectile


You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you?

Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM.

Is a Minmatar weapon.


I was using it for a missile example. Pretty sure in EvE's history the weapon manufacture doesn't dictate who uses something best.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:50:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498512 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Mad Syringe]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811738#post1811738
Maybe the EMP puts all installations into neutral mode?

Meaning, the blast would take out all deployable equipment, including cloaks (would drain their cap), and on top all installations except nullcannons would turn neutral again!

But generally I think the EMP should be a gallente ammunition, since the flux grenade is gallente too.

The minmatar ammo could be some kind of explosive shells with massive blast radius, good for destroying installations and tanks. It needs to be good against armor, but sub par against shields.

]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:49:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498511 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Alaika Arbosa]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811729#post1811729 Shiruba Ryou wrote:
m twiggz wrote:
Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Makes no sense.

Caldari = Hybrid (got that right)
Amarr = Laser (got that right)
Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP)
Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong)

I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

Rebalance should be;

Caldari = Hybrid
Amarr = Laser
Gallente = EMP
Minmatar = Projectile


You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you?

Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM.

Is a Minmatar weapon.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:46:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498487 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Shiruba Ryou]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811724#post1811724 m twiggz wrote:
Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Makes no sense.

Caldari = Hybrid (got that right)
Amarr = Laser (got that right)
Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP)
Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong)

I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

Rebalance should be;

Caldari = Hybrid
Amarr = Laser
Gallente = EMP
Minmatar = Projectile


You try and take away a Gallentean plasma and we're going to have an issue. And for your information btw, Caldari use missiles mostly. They just have a few ships fitted with hybrid rail bonuses. But it's mostly missiles. Swarms, Flaylock. Am I reaching you?

Minmatar have projectile ammo for any and all types. It goes with their lore of builing ships with stolen tech from others and their extreme levels of adaptability. DUST 514 seems to think that because their OB is EMP that that's their thing. They use everything. The don't get bonuses for EMP they get bonuses for projectiles. ALL OF THEM.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:45:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498486 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Alaika Arbosa]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811700#post1811700 Arx Ardashir wrote:
m twiggz wrote:

PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets.

My apologies, when I said "EMP does X," I was talking of Flux grenades and (erroneously) assumed the OB worked the same way (as they are functionally identical.) IMO EMP OBs should at the least do everything fluxes do.

Anyways, maybe we can compromise on the fact that the EMP warheads in the OP are delivered by a projectile shell? Smile

AFAIK, Flux do not kill turrets anymore.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:36:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498457 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Jakar Umbra]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811568#post1811568 Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Because the Matari love their blast radius and artillery and if they drop any bombs from orbit that aren't EMP they'll probably cover the entirety of the large socket structure because it will probably be a thermonuclear bomb... or several.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:50:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498353 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Kristoff Atruin]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811551#post1811551 Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:42:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498336 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Aikuchi Tomaru]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811545#post1811545 Delta90212 wrote:
Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs?
Instead of the EMP OB we got right now?


Basically everybody should get different types of OB ammo.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:38:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498335 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Arx Ardashir]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811538#post1811538 m twiggz wrote:

PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets.

My apologies, when I said "EMP does X," I was talking of Flux grenades and (erroneously) assumed the OB worked the same way (as they are functionally identical.) IMO EMP OBs should at the least do everything fluxes do.

Anyways, maybe we can compromise on the fact that the EMP warheads in the OP are delivered by a projectile shell? Smile]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:35:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498334 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by m twiggz]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811450#post1811450 Arx Ardashir wrote:
m twiggz wrote:
EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice.

Yes, it wipes out shields, but it also disables equipment and can destroy turrets. EVE ships just have a lot more EMP hardening to protect their internal systems. Things are less EMP hardened on the ground, apparently.

Plus, look at your recommendation:
m twiggz wrote:
I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

You want the Matari OB to be exactly like the Amarr OB in fuction, if not form. That doesn't add variety into the game, and that's what I said in the post you quoted. Why do people want to take variety out and put in mere reskins?

I said something LIKE the laser, not identical with a different name. I am the LAST person to take variety out of this already dull game.

Honestly a small AoE high RoF low DPS OB for Minmatar would make sense. They use projectile weaponry, high RoF with low DPS. How does that not make sense? Perhaps it wouldn't add variety in a grand scheme of things, but things also have to, or should, make sense to the 10+ year old lore. Just saying. Don't mind me.

PS; EMP OBs do not destroy turrets.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:02:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498240 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Arx Ardashir]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811431#post1811431 m twiggz wrote:
EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice.

Yes, it wipes out shields, but it also disables equipment and can destroy turrets. EVE ships just have a lot more EMP hardening to protect their internal systems. Things are less EMP hardened on the ground, apparently.

Plus, look at your recommendation:
m twiggz wrote:
I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

You want the Matari OB to be exactly like the Amarr OB in fuction, if not form. That doesn't add variety into the game, and that's what I said in the post you quoted. Why do people want to take variety out and put in mere reskins?]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:56:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498221 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by m twiggz]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811400#post1811400 Arx Ardashir wrote:
Maybe because a nuclear OB would wipe the map? Are we really asking this question?

Any other ammo type, Phased Plasma, Titanium Sabot, Carbonzed Lead, Proton, and Depleted Uranium would just be a slower "regular" (the hybrid kind) bombardment.

Plus, with the Amarr being so capacitor dependent lore-wise, EMP might be a proper recial flavor for the Matari to prefer.

EMP wipes out shields. Granted it would make sense to wipe capacitor as well but we don't use capacitor in Dust. Amarr are armor users (or should be before Dust defied New Eden Lore and made them dual tankers, still lol about that) so in Dust an EMP OB shouldn't be their arch nemesis' OB of choice.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:43:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498199 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by m twiggz]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811391#post1811391 Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Why is it the Matari, that fight the Amarr, fire EMP rounds?- a confused Matari Scout

Makes no sense.

Caldari = Hybrid (got that right)
Amarr = Laser (got that right)
Gallente = Hybrid (should have EMP)
Minmatar = EMP (completely wrong)

I'd say the Minmatar should have something like the laser. Small AoE high RoF low DPS.

Rebalance should be;

Caldari = Hybrid
Amarr = Laser
Gallente = EMP
Minmatar = Projectile]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:39:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498198 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Alaika Arbosa]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811351#post1811351 Suanar Daranaus wrote:
Hail would make sense

If we're going T2, I want Tactical Quake]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:26:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498138 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Alaika Arbosa]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811340#post1811340 Billi Gene wrote:
Projectile Ammo comes in all sorts of flavours, all do kinetic damage of some sort but also thermal, EMP and explosive (not all at the same time.

I wish they would've given us Tactical DU S]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:23:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498137 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Minmatar Mercenary 9292]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811306#post1811306 Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Delta 749 wrote:
Indeed, shouldnt you guys just be dropping big rocks that are made of smaller rocks duct taped together? That is the pinnacle of minnie technology right

Well sir I think you'd do well to hear my response.


I dunno man, im pretty sure he is right and a Matari OB would look like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9wVQ9jWC8]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498107 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Suanar Daranaus]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811289#post1811289 ]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:07:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498086 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Sinboto Simmons]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1811281#post1811281 Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:03:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1498085 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Rolf The Viking]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1809274#post1809274
Kinda like a junkyard farting. Pirate]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 01:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1496258 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Arx Ardashir]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1809233#post1809233
Any other ammo type, Phased Plasma, Titanium Sabot, Carbonzed Lead, Proton, and Depleted Uranium would just be a slower "regular" (the hybrid kind) bombardment.

Plus, with the Amarr being so capacitor dependent lore-wise, EMP might be a proper recial flavor for the Matari to prefer.]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 00:55:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1496209 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Sinboto Simmons]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1809189#post1809189 Delta 749 wrote:
Indeed, shouldnt you guys just be dropping big rocks that are made of smaller rocks duct taped together? That is the pinnacle of minnie technology right

Well sir I think you'd do well to hear my response. ]]> Fri, 7 Feb 2014 00:34:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1496168 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Lynn Beck]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808601#post1808601 We should add Nuclear and keep the EMP.
Amarr gets rapid deployment and precision, gallente/caldari gets slower deployment larger damage/radius
Minmatar gets versatility.]]> Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:38:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495639 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Delta90212]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808593#post1808593 Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Delta90212 wrote:
Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs?
Instead of the EMP OB we got right now?

That's what we use most yes.

I know, im just confused why we have EMP. Ugh]]> Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:35:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495638 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Spectral Clone]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808566#post1808566 Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:26:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495614 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Sinboto Simmons]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808568#post1808568 Delta90212 wrote:
Shouldn't the minmatar use nuclear OBs?
Instead of the EMP OB we got right now?

That's what we use most yes.]]> Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:26:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495615 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Delta90212]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808558#post1808558 Instead of the EMP OB we got right now?]]> Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:24:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495613 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Billi Gene]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808538#post1808538 Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:19:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495612 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Delta 749]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808511#post1808511 Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495578 <![CDATA[About Matari OBs - by Sinboto Simmons]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808503#post1808503 Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:10:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/1495577