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P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 521	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote So im going to use adv logi suits for this, seeing as all logis have 3 eq slots at adv (another broken design, but thats another thread.) Caldari gets hives/injector, so i fill my slots with a needle, a healy hive, and a regular hive. I set up shop around a point, drop my hives, and revive anyone who falls. ALL of my equipment is receiving a bonus. Now on to amarr. I equip 3 uplinks to my suit and spam them in desireable areas. Once again, ALL of my equipment gets a bonus. Now the minmatar. I equip 3 rep tools, but i can only use one at a time, its not droppable, and it never runs out. So i switch my two other eq slots for something else, which i wont get a bonus for. Now gallente and the scanner. Same as above^. So with the new logi bonuses coming is there really any point to speccing gal/minny? I mean why be gimped to using only one eq slot at a time? Why even have 3 slots?
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 185	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction... But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. P.A.I.R.- Pilot Against Invisible RDVs.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6705	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:59:00 - [3] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction... But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. Racial equipment bonuses.....not so much. Generalised equipment bonuses used to reinforce logistics support role, not marginalise the logi builds. Take the EVE logisitics ships. They get general, ship, and role bonuses to repairs units, rep range, etc. I would rather CCP follow that model of Logistics bonuses rather than racial equipment bonuses. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Zene Ren Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 45	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: So im going to use adv logi suits for this, seeing as all logis have 3 eq slots at adv (another broken design, but thats another thread.) Caldari gets hives/injector, so i fill my slots with a needle, a healy hive, and a regular hive. I set up shop around a point, drop my hives, and revive anyone who falls. ALL of my equipment is receiving a bonus. Now on to amarr. I equip 3 uplinks to my suit and spam them in desireable areas. Once again, ALL of my equipment gets a bonus. Now the minmatar. I equip 3 rep tools, but i can only use one at a time, its not droppable, and it never runs out. So i switch my two other eq slots for something else, which i wont get a bonus for. Now gallente and the scanner. Same as above^. So with the new logi bonuses coming is there really any point to speccing gal/minny? I mean why be gimped to using only one eq slot at a time? Why even have 3 slots? this will be the same for uplinks too i have read somewhere on forums that they are planning to limit the uplinks spam with some "global transfer rate" that will limit the "online" ready to use uplinks don't know about caldari stuff but i doubt they will enable spamming nanohives per person also atleast that would be reasonable in the grand scheme of things IMO Balance is the key to achieve knowledge and understanding
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4403	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:02:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction... But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. Racial equipment bonuses.....not so much. Generalised equipment bonuses used to reinforce logistics support role, not marginalise the logi builds. Take the EVE logisitics ships. They get general, ship, and role bonuses to repairs units, rep range, etc. I would rather CCP follow that model of Logistics bonuses rather than racial equipment bonuses. Many wish they would follow the EvE guidelines. So much simpler to do so. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6705	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:06:00 - [6] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction... But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. Racial equipment bonuses.....not so much. Generalised equipment bonuses used to reinforce logistics support role, not marginalise the logi builds. Take the EVE logisitics ships. They get general, ship, and role bonuses to repairs units, rep range, etc. I would rather CCP follow that model of Logistics bonuses rather than racial equipment bonuses. Many wish they would follow the EvE guidelines. So much simpler to do so. In this case I don't think it would be simple....but it would be better for the class as a whole. Logi gains 25% better rep rates, 25% better rep range, + then racial equipment bonus, increased regenerative stats Logi loses grenade slot, 5% EHP, rebalanced slot lay out to bring in line with Assault suits . "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Billi Gene 474	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:11:00 - [7] - Quote I feel like the Gal/Minnie are getting the better end of the deal with the bonuses. Gallente won't have to equip higher meta level scanners in order to achieve desirable scan precision. Minmatar in the same boat for a cheaper fit, but also with the option of breaking out proto rep tool for some fairly impressive numbers. Caldari will be great for setting up a rooftop Forge, or for massive grenade spam. Nice perk, but a flux will clear it out. Amarr .... well.... wow.. they got shafted... There was also a DEV post implying that there was some consideration towards making equipment hackable, once again the Cald and Amarr logi bonus is lessened. The split is along the faction lines, and i'd guess that was intended, gallente and minmatar vs amarr and caldari, perhaps there is other equipment in the pipeline that will replace certain bonuses if not change the logi completely? Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2990	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:13:00 - [8] - Quote I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 521	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:14:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction... But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. Racial equipment bonuses.....not so much. Generalised equipment bonuses used to reinforce logistics support role, not marginalise the logi builds. Take the EVE logisitics ships. They get general, ship, and role bonuses to repairs units, rep range, etc. I would rather CCP follow that model of Logistics bonuses rather than racial equipment bonuses. Many wish they would follow the EvE guidelines. So much simpler to do so. In this case I don't think it would be simple....but it would be better for the class as a whole. Logi gains 25% better rep rates, 25% better rep range, + then racial equipment bonus, increased regenerative stats Logi loses grenade slot, 5% EHP, rebalanced slot lay out to bring in line with Assault suits . I would still rather just a flat 25% eq pg/cpu reduction over the racial bonus. There isnt enough equipment in the game for each race to justify it. Every logi is going to become less effective as a whole come 1.8.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1858	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:17:00 - [10] - Quote Personally the Current Racial bonuses should have been placed under the Suit header and given to everyone. So instead of Minmatar logi units gettig the best repair tools, ALL logi units have better repair tools. The racial skill should have been more generic like a bonus to personal repping, after all I can't use my repair tool on my self. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 521	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:18:00 - [11] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. To me, this whole "nerf the logi" business was about making the logi better at logi, and worse at slaying. Equipment already was not good enough to justify not using your gun, now its even worse. Do you think it really provides incentive to logi rather than slay?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8911	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:21:00 - [12] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8911	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:25:00 - [13] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. To me, this whole "nerf the logi" business was about making the logi better at logi, and worse at slaying. Equipment already was not good enough to justify not using your gun, now its even worse. Do you think it really provides incentive to logi rather than slay? I don't really know what you're talking about, who said anything about logis not using their guns? Why can't you use your gun, and use equipment? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2990	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:25:00 - [14] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. To me, this whole "nerf the logi" business was about making the logi better at logi, and worse at slaying. Equipment already was not good enough to justify not using your gun, now its even worse. Do you think it really provides incentive to logi rather than slay? Support focused players will continue to run Logistics. I think the real question is will the bonuses on the slayer suits encourage the slayers to use those suits. Too many slayers are so defense oriented right now and will probably stick with the toughest suits. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 522	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:30:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 522	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:37:00 - [16] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: I feel like the Gal/Minnie are getting the better end of the deal with the bonuses. Gallente won't have to equip higher meta level scanners in order to achieve desirable scan precision. Minmatar in the same boat for a cheaper fit, but also with the option of breaking out proto rep tool for some fairly impressive numbers. Caldari will be great for setting up a rooftop Forge, or for massive grenade spam. Nice perk, but a flux will clear it out. Amarr .... well.... wow.. they got shafted... There was also a DEV post implying that there was some consideration towards making equipment hackable, once again the Cald and Amarr logi bonus is lessened. The split is along the faction lines, and i'd guess that was intended, gallente and minmatar vs amarr and caldari, perhaps there is other equipment in the pipeline that will replace certain bonuses if not change the logi completely? You do realize equipment is getting nerfed. So with max skills, one piece of eq will perform exactly the same as it does now, per race.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8911	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:44:00 - [17] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope. You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8. The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear. We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog). Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1561	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:46:00 - [18] - Quote I don't like the bonus on equipments too but i don't know another bonus suitable with logi suits. Also assaults will probably get a bonus on various types of weapons, equipments are 4, if they add more of weapons there is no problem, but if they add more equip? 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1844	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:52:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: So im going to use adv logi suits for this, seeing as all logis have 3 eq slots at adv (another broken design, but thats another thread.) Caldari gets hives/injector, so i fill my slots with a needle, a healy hive, and a regular hive. I set up shop around a point, drop my hives, and revive anyone who falls. ALL of my equipment is receiving a bonus. Now on to amarr. I equip 3 uplinks to my suit and spam them in desireable areas. Once again, ALL of my equipment gets a bonus. Now the minmatar. I equip 3 rep tools, but i can only use one at a time, its not droppable, and it never runs out. So i switch my two other eq slots for something else, which i wont get a bonus for. Now gallente and the scanner. Same as above^. So with the new logi bonuses coming is there really any point to speccing gal/minny? I mean why be gimped to using only one eq slot at a time? Why even have 3 slots? I honestly don't see the problem here the fits you came up for the Amarr/Cal are all temporary fits any true logi would have a rep tool, nanite, and something of their choice. Your just trying to make your Galente/Matar suits op without even knowing it. New born sAMARRi
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 462	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:56:00 - [20] - Quote minmitar should get a bonus to proxies and remotes as well, gallente though, they will be able to permascan still because they can fire one, switch to another, fire it, rinse and repeat 4x, with different scanners for different purposes Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 523	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: P14GU3 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope. You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8. The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear. Only repair tool range is getting nerfed, repair rate is staying the same. We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog). I'm not trying to downplay the importance of anything. Ive been a logi since chromosome, most of my warpoints have come from equipment. I'm only trying to point out that every other class gets a massive buff to its role, assaults get dps, scouts get cloaky, heavies get resistance, and logis get worse at their role. Edit for Noc, i run gallente and amarr logi, and will likely drop them both for min logi/scout, so please dont try to twist my post into something its not
Kaius Coriolanus Gothic Wars Consortium 8	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:58:00 - [22] - Quote Quote: So im going to use adv logi suits for this, seeing as all logis have 3 eq slots at adv (another broken design, but thats another thread.) Caldari gets hives/injector, so i fill my slots with a needle, a healy hive, and a regular hive. I set up shop around a point, drop my hives, and revive anyone who falls. ALL of my equipment is receiving a bonus. Now on to amarr. I equip 3 uplinks to my suit and spam them in desireable areas. Once again, ALL of my equipment gets a bonus. Now the minmatar. I equip 3 rep tools, but i can only use one at a time, its not droppable, and it never runs out. So i switch my two other eq slots for something else, which i wont get a bonus for. Now gallente and the scanner. Same as above^. So with the new logi bonuses coming is there really any point to speccing gal/minny? I mean why be gimped to using only one eq slot at a time? Why even have 3 slots? I see the point you're making, but we'll have to just hope that there will be more equipment for each race released in the future . Also it means that some logi will be better with some equipment then others, but the point about the Caldari logi it very true
Billi Gene 477	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:10:00 - [23] - Quote I am aware of the Uplinks relevance to staging fights. It is a necessary logistic implement, but its use require mercs to die. If a merc can be kept alive and resupplied then there is no release of pressure. Hives are great, needles also (though they come with some personal danger to the reviver in any situation where there are still enemies present). Rep tools don't make you invulnerable, no. High burst negates them. Smart play coupled with a rep tool is a force multiplier, allowing lead downrange with less downtime than a nearby uplink. If both team havescanners they negate themselves somewhat, but if you don't have your team is at a severe disadvantage. I haven't been watching the forums for a bit so I wasnt aware that equipment is getting nerfed, sorry . I think i had an inkling but yeah i wasn't thinking along those lines. I'm not saying that everyone should aim for speccing into one suit or the other, and each suit will have its purposes. I guess at this point I'm not feeling bothered by the bonuses applying unevenly to equipment counts. though I reserve the right to change my mind at random i dunno.. just ignore my posts in this thread : / jedi hand wave Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8912	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:10:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: P14GU3 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope. You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8. The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear. Only repair tool range is getting nerfed, repair rate is staying the same. We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog). I'm not trying to downplay the importance of anything. Ive been a logi since chromosome, most of my warpoints have come from equipment. I'm only trying to point out that every other class gets a massive buff to its role, assaults get dps, scouts get cloaky, heavies get resistance, and logis get worse at their role. A sentinel's role is to be tanky, so is makes sense to have a resistance bonus. A scout's role is to be stealthy, so it makes sense to have a cloak bonuses. An assault's role is to attack, so it makes sense to have bonuses to weapons/offense (though the bonuses from the test servers are a bad idea, click here for why) A commando's role is to be versatile wit light weapons, so light weapon bonuses make sense. A logi's role is to handle equipment, so it makes sense to get bonuses to equipment. While the bonuses may not be ideal, they're the only ones that really make sense. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 381	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote As a cal-logi who virtually never runs an injector, and rarely runs hives, I must admit I'm not thrilled about the rumored new bonuses. That said, I'll wait for the update to drop and I've actually seen the bonuses and how it affects gameplay before QQing.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 33	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:16:00 - [26] - Quote im happy the way they are going . tell yea they should have went with more . gall assault usen only ar and such . there was waaay to much freedom in this and any fps will have class based skills and im for that
Billi Gene 477	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:26:00 - [27] - Quote Ewar Logi suit variants possibly? deployable, handheld or throwable? webifiers ECM (loss of tacnet intel/chevrons etc) Dampeners (reverse scanners) Scanner is already like a target painter i guess? Tracking Disruption (erm...... ????) dun think so :P unless webs only affect movement and not turning speed. 'other' drones mini turrets CCP Shanghai have been looking for an AI programmer, drones or pve or both in the works? I'm all over the shop really, sorry... I'm kinda finding it hard to take any changes seriously until we have a balanced and more EvE-Like combat system. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK 36	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:35:00 - [28] - Quote Caldari logi bonus: 3% bonus to nano hive cluster amount and area of effect per level. Gallente logi bonus: 3% bonus to repair tool rate per level Minmatar logi bonus: 3% reduction to fitting cost of drop uplinks and scanners. Amarr logi bonus: 3% bonus to all weapons per level. +1 grenade per level. + shoulder mounted rocket launcher + extra light weapon slot. ;) simples 1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy. No, not alive thankfully
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 524	Posted - 2014.02.07 00:04:00 - [29] - Quote I like the ewar idea billie, but once again, we will have to see when/if something like that happens. Im speaking for currently, with current eq, it doesn't seem like the role bonuses are going to do the logi any justice. @ manboar I could definately go for the iron man suit, i mean the amarr suit..
Toby Flenderson research lab 246	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:14:00 - [30] - Quote I think most people would run one or two of their own racial equipment but not all slots. For example, a gallogi with rep/scanner/hive is much more useful than a callogi with 3 super hives. Even if you ignore this and assume the min/gals will run multiple equipments of the same race then I would suggest the following: Minmatar uses a core repair tool for keeping heavies alive and a lai dai for snagging people in the distance to save them before going down. Third slot could be a needle in case you fail. This would basically make you a full time medic and a very effective one. Gallogi could run a focused, quantum, and whichever one has the longest range (forgot the name) and cycle them to have a consistent scan at all times (more or less). This way you would have blanket coverage as well as be able to catch just about every scout while virtually bypassing the cool down times. I see what you're trying to get at with saying that nano hives and uplinks are more spammable and thus make the amarr/cals better for riddling the map with super equipment but I still would argue that mixing racial equipment would make a better logi.



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