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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:43:00 -
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So im going to use adv logi suits for this, seeing as all logis have 3 eq slots at adv (another broken design, but thats another thread.)
Caldari gets hives/injector, so i fill my slots with a needle, a healy hive, and a regular hive. I set up shop around a point, drop my hives, and revive anyone who falls. ALL of my equipment is receiving a bonus.
Now on to amarr. I equip 3 uplinks to my suit and spam them in desireable areas. Once again, ALL of my equipment gets a bonus.
Now the minmatar. I equip 3 rep tools, but i can only use one at a time, its not droppable, and it never runs out. So i switch my two other eq slots for something else, which i wont get a bonus for.
Now gallente and the scanner. Same as above^.
So with the new logi bonuses coming is there really any point to speccing gal/minny? I mean why be gimped to using only one eq slot at a time? Why even have 3 slots? |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:True Adamance wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:I'm not going to complain because I feel this is CCP moving in the right direction...
But, I also see the disparity between the races. I have to imagine there will be new equipment in the future and they will be bonused in to the suits. Racial equipment bonuses.....not so much. Generalised equipment bonuses used to reinforce logistics support role, not marginalise the logi builds. Take the EVE logisitics ships. They get general, ship, and role bonuses to repairs units, rep range, etc. I would rather CCP follow that model of Logistics bonuses rather than racial equipment bonuses. Many wish they would follow the EvE guidelines. So much simpler to do so.  In this case I don't think it would be simple....but it would be better for the class as a whole. Logi gains 25% better rep rates, 25% better rep range, + then racial equipment bonus, increased regenerative stats Logi loses grenade slot, 5% EHP, rebalanced slot lay out to bring in line with Assault suits .
I would still rather just a flat 25% eq pg/cpu reduction over the racial bonus. There isnt enough equipment in the game for each race to justify it.
Every logi is going to become less effective as a whole come 1.8.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:18:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired.
To me, this whole "nerf the logi" business was about making the logi better at logi, and worse at slaying. Equipment already was not good enough to justify not using your gun, now its even worse. Do you think it really provides incentive to logi rather than slay? |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:30:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT].
I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year?
My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it?
Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it?
Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:37:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:I feel like the Gal/Minnie are getting the better end of the deal with the bonuses.
Gallente won't have to equip higher meta level scanners in order to achieve desirable scan precision.
Minmatar in the same boat for a cheaper fit, but also with the option of breaking out proto rep tool for some fairly impressive numbers.
Caldari will be great for setting up a rooftop Forge, or for massive grenade spam. Nice perk, but a flux will clear it out.
Amarr .... well.... wow.. they got shafted...
There was also a DEV post implying that there was some consideration towards making equipment hackable, once again the Cald and Amarr logi bonus is lessened.
The split is along the faction lines, and i'd guess that was intended, gallente and minmatar vs amarr and caldari, perhaps there is other equipment in the pipeline that will replace certain bonuses if not change the logi completely?
You do realize equipment is getting nerfed. So with max skills, one piece of eq will perform exactly the same as it does now, per race.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:57:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:P14GU3 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope. You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8. The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear. Only repair tool range is getting nerfed, repair rate is staying the same. We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog).
I'm not trying to downplay the importance of anything. Ive been a logi since chromosome, most of my warpoints have come from equipment.
I'm only trying to point out that every other class gets a massive buff to its role, assaults get dps, scouts get cloaky, heavies get resistance, and logis get worse at their role.
Edit for Noc, i run gallente and amarr logi, and will likely drop them both for min logi/scout, so please dont try to twist my post into something its not |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:04:00 -
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I like the ewar idea billie, but once again, we will have to see when/if something like that happens. Im speaking for currently, with current eq, it doesn't seem like the role bonuses are going to do the logi any justice.
@ manboar I could definately go for the iron man suit, i mean the amarr suit.. |
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