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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:21:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired.
I agree with this.
Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use.
Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race:
Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs.
Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors.
Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT].
Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT].
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:25:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. To me, this whole "nerf the logi" business was about making the logi better at logi, and worse at slaying. Equipment already was not good enough to justify not using your gun, now its even worse. Do you think it really provides incentive to logi rather than slay?
I don't really know what you're talking about, who said anything about logis not using their guns? Why can't you use your gun, and use equipment?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:44:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope.
You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8.
The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear.
We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog).
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:10:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:P14GU3 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I don't see the problem with receiving a bonus to just some of your equipment. As a Minmatar I'll run my repair tool but will still use an injector and drop hives and links. Each is strong in something and normal in the rest. This adds variety to the fittings and squads can be built around the strengths if desired. I agree with this. Just because you get a bonus to a certain equipment doesn't mean its the only equipment you should use. Also, eventually we will have more equipment types, and I would like the racial bonuses to be expanded to include more equipment from that race: Minmatar could get bonus to repair tools and REs and PMs. Caldari can get bonus to nanohives nanine injectors. Gallente can get bonus to active scanner and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. Amarr can get a bonus to drop uplinks and [INSERT NEW EQUIPMENT]. I see where you guys are going, and i am not against it per se, but it all seems to revolve around this "new equipment." Let me ask you, other than the scanner (which was originally in beta but broken) and the soon to be cloak (which is technically scout equipment,) what new equipment have we gotten in the last year? My point is not really even about that though. Take uplinks, without a bonus, you can spawn in faster off the point. Why use it? Rep tools can barely keep a heavy alive under fire from 1 proto weapon. Without a bonus, it will be worse. Why use it? Scanner, well it was OP... but you get my point now I hope. You're seriously going to downplay the value of a drop uplink? If you have no friendly objective or CRU near the target, an uplink will e the only choice, and often makes the difference between winning and losing (Domination especially), even if they'll take a few more seconds to spawn in 1.8. The point of a rep tool is not to make you impervious to proto weapons (and the vast majority of weapons are not proto), they're here to either keep you alive longer, or to heal you after the fight is over and you are in critical condition, when you're down to 20 armor and more enemies are coming, the value of a rep tool becomes pretty obvious. If 2 fairly evenly matched players are in a battle, the one with the rep tool support will win; the one with the rep tool support may even win against those with superior weapons and gear. Only repair tool range is getting nerfed, repair rate is staying the same. We didn't receive any new heavy weapons in the last year either, but we know hey're planned. Likewise we know CCP has plans for new equipment, one of which is a shield generator tat creates a bubble shield (was revealed in a dev blog). I'm not trying to downplay the importance of anything. Ive been a logi since chromosome, most of my warpoints have come from equipment. I'm only trying to point out that every other class gets a massive buff to its role, assaults get dps, scouts get cloaky, heavies get resistance, and logis get worse at their role.
A sentinel's role is to be tanky, so is makes sense to have a resistance bonus.
A scout's role is to be stealthy, so it makes sense to have a cloak bonuses.
An assault's role is to attack, so it makes sense to have bonuses to weapons/offense (though the bonuses from the test servers are a bad idea, click here for why)
A commando's role is to be versatile wit light weapons, so light weapon bonuses make sense.
A logi's role is to handle equipment, so it makes sense to get bonuses to equipment. While the bonuses may not be ideal, they're the only ones that really make sense.
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