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Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:37:00 -
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Hey guys, I wanted to get your feedback on a scout build. Currently I run an Advanced Gallente Scout Suit with the following:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I know many of those who use Nova Knives use the Kin Kats and I was debating changing my Low Slots to Kin Cats and Range Amplifier or Kin Cats and Cardiac Regulators but I'm concerned about being detected or I like being able to scan further out.
I have Scout suit skilled to 4 so that should give me a 40% scan range buff but do you guys find the need to use Range Amplifiers and Profile Dampeners or do the base scout perks do the job well enough? It almost seems with the racial benefits the Gallente Scout suits get why not enhance on them futher?
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:38:00 -
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What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)?
Dropship Specialist
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:43:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I am also confused why your modules are of such low tiers considering that your running advance suits, you could run this on a std or militia for the most part. Basic Shield Extenders are pointless, so is a basic precision enchacer (you will not pick up scouts with it and you already pick up non scouts).
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:44:00 -
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Not a bad set up. I run NK on Gal scout a fair bit, and you do not necessarily need to run reds and greens to be effective. Get your scanning up (particularly range), be sure that you are below scanners and you should have little problems catching people unaware. I would suggest tiering up your modules though, basic shields does not offer much Precision enhancer is good but you want better to catch slightly dampened light suits (training scouts) and dampened Med frames.
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
1342
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:48:00 -
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My fav adv gal set up is Sg Smg 2x complex shields Enh arm rep Enh shield reg Flux Re Full health ASAP
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:51:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:My fav adv gal set up is Sg Smg 2x complex shields Enh arm rep Enh shield reg Flux Re Full health ASAP I like the look of that OZ Going to try it out
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:59:00 -
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Depends on what level you are in Precision Enhancing and Range Amplification but it's a nice passive scanning build.
You'll pick up mediums and heavies but probably not if they are dampened.
A nice alternative is to use an ADV scanner...at least until 1.8. You will scan to 36, which is better than 1 basic enhancer would get you. Plus you'll scan MUCH farther, and you'll relay info to your team. Your also saving yourself 2 mods, which you could spend on kin cats or a regulator.
I hate to say it but pull the 360 scan. |
Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:59:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)?
Hey Vulpes, my dampening, range and precision are all at level 2 so I cant use anything but the basics so I stuck with what I could get. I took the long route to scouting as I tried to shoot for the proto scout suit and built up to level 4 but that left me with the lower level modules.
Now I'm working on the modules even though the 4 low levels a proto gets makes my mouth water. But I guess I can just use loyalty points for the Federation Scout. |
Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:03:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Bad JuJu Jones wrote:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I am also confused why your modules are of such low tiers considering that your running advance suits, you could run this on a std or militia for the most part. Basic Shield Extenders are pointless, so is a basic precision enchacer (you will not pick up scouts with it and you already pick up non scouts).
Hey Oswald, I only started using the advanced so I could fit an assault SMG and some extra padding with shield extenders... I figured as a scout I needed every edge I could get over all the assault and logi suits. Without the advanced I run over on my CPU or PG I cant remember which |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1009
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:39:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)? Hey Vulpes, my dampening, range and precision are all at level 2 so I cant use anything but the basics so I stuck with what I could get. I took the long route to scouting as I tried to shoot for the proto scout suit and built up to level 4 but that left me with the lower level modules. Now I'm working on the modules even though the 4 low levels a proto gets makes my mouth water. But I guess I can just use loyalty points for the Federation Scout.
Concentrate on the dampening and range amp for now. As you said, you can use Federation Scout for now while you build up those essential scout skills. Just 1 level and you'll get advanced modules. Also you said you're short on cpu/pg? How are your core skills like electronics and engineering?
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:20:00 -
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Personally I would swap the weapons around in the slots. I know it doesn't really make much difference but I've noticed in the heat of battle it is easy to accidental switch the the primary when you want to gun someone down. Its a personal thing so if you control is good then no problem.
But I would try to upgrade the knives to the ZN-28. 1.5s charge time is far too clumsy
Edit - oh and unless your specifically after dampened mid suits I would loose the precision enhancer. 45dB + level 1 in precision enhancers means no mid suits can passively evade you, which is enough (50dB - lvl5 damp = 45). Trying to compete precision vs dampeners is simply impossible. Precision enhancers are -5% in comparison so will always loose out.
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
711
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:47:00 -
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My go-to fit is;
x2 extends (1 basic and 1 en for fitting space and fall forgiveness) ADV breach Smg (self defense and misdirection) ADV KN (just in case) ADV uplinks (fits primary purpose) ADV Cardio (dancing with vehicles and taking the long routes) ADV Codebreaker (fits secondary purpose) (scout lv 5, biotics lv 4 and scanning lv 3)
Scout Tactician
Dance puppets, DANCE!
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:56:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Bad JuJu Jones wrote:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I am also confused why your modules are of such low tiers considering that your running advance suits, you could run this on a std or militia for the most part. Basic Shield Extenders are pointless, so is a basic precision enchacer (you will not pick up scouts with it and you already pick up non scouts). Hey Oswald, I only started using the advanced so I could fit an assault SMG and some extra padding with shield extenders... I figured as a scout I needed every edge I could get over all the assault and logi suits. Without the advanced I run over on my CPU or PG I cant remember which
In my personal preference, I would drop the precision enchancer as it has zero utility for you and upgrade your shield or drop your shield and focus on your low slots and weapons
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1130
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Posted - 2014.02.06 11:31:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)? Hey Vulpes, my dampening, range and precision are all at level 2 so I cant use anything but the basics so I stuck with what I could get. I took the long route to scouting as I tried to shoot for the proto scout suit and built up to level 4 but that left me with the lower level modules. Now I'm working on the modules even though the 4 low levels a proto gets makes my mouth water. But I guess I can just use loyalty points for the Federation Scout.
1. If you are already at Lv 3 Gallente scout, get to Lv 4 dampening ASAP. At Lv 4 dampening/Lv 3 gallente scout, you can avoid the advanced scanner without a dampener (35.19 dB) which, for the most part, is really all you need to do. The advanced scanner is the most commonly used scanner. If you find yourself getting scanned during a match then either switch out into a dampened suit at a depot or come in with one after you die next.
2. You don't need a presision enhancer unless you are trying to hunt down dampened medium frames, and, with your skill where they currently are you can't even do that. So get rid of the enhancer.
3. You are a Gallente scout. This suit was built for ranged passive scanning. At Lv 5 range skill and suit skill you can passively scan for any undampend medium or heavy frame at 52 meters with one complex range amplifier and 73 meters with two. This is the art of stealth, and it is quite powerful. Learn to use it.
I don't use NKs so I don't know what advice to give you there but I can give you an example of how I set up my fittings:
Adv G-scout 1
Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Assault rail rifle TT-3 scrambler pistol
Compact nanohive (very important)
Complex range amplifier Basic armor plate
Adv G-scout 2
2x complex shield extender
Rail rifle KLO scrambler pistol
Compact nanohive
2x Complex range amplifier
So, I hope this helped you out some.
Good luck.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
557
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:42:00 -
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My 'E-WAR Menace' fit
Basic Gallente Scout
Militia Shotty
Smg
REs
Switch between enhanced damps/regs or armor plates
Psycho
boink That was my baseball bouncing off walls with extreme trig to hit you in the face
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1712
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:46:00 -
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I have been running a Dragonfly scout with 1 enhanced shield ext, 1 enhanced damp and one enhanced kin cat with a combat rifle or shotgun depending on the map a toxin SMG RE's and what ever nade I can fit. I have been doing surprisingly well with this fit although most of my kills have come from RE's there is nothing so funny as flanking a couple of tough enemies and dropping an RE right in the middle of the group.
Although I RE'd a proto heavy the other day and he survived which was a bit of a brown trousers moment.
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:31:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)? Hey Vulpes, my dampening, range and precision are all at level 2 so I cant use anything but the basics so I stuck with what I could get. I took the long route to scouting as I tried to shoot for the proto scout suit and built up to level 4 but that left me with the lower level modules. Now I'm working on the modules even though the 4 low levels a proto gets makes my mouth water. But I guess I can just use loyalty points for the Federation Scout. 1. If you are already at Lv 3 Gallente scout, get to Lv 4 dampening ASAP. At Lv 4 dampening/Lv 3 gallente scout, you can avoid the advanced scanner without a dampener (35.19 dB) which, for the most part, is really all you need to do. The advanced scanner is the most commonly used scanner. If you find yourself getting scanned during a match then either switch out into a dampened suit at a depot or come in with one after you die next. 2. You don't need a presision enhancer unless you are trying to hunt down dampened medium frames, and, with your skill where they currently are you can't even do that. So get rid of the enhancer. 3. You are a Gallente scout. This suit was built for ranged passive scanning. At Lv 5 range skill and suit skill you can passively scan for any undampend medium or heavy frame at 52 meters with one complex range amplifier and 73 meters with two. This is the art of stealth, and it is quite powerful. Learn to use it. I don't use NKs so I don't know what advice to give you there but I can give you an example of how I set up my fittings: Adv G-scout 1 Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Assault rail rifle TT-3 scrambler pistol Compact nanohive (very important) Complex range amplifier Basic armor plate Adv G-scout 2 2x complex shield extender Rail rifle KLO scrambler pistol Compact nanohive 2x Complex range amplifier So, I hope this helped you out some. Good luck.
I'm a level 4 scout with level 3 dampening Vulpes. I took your advice and made a dropsuit with no dampener to free up for a stamina boost. I also got my range and precision skills to level 3 so I guess the direction I am taking is to see the enemy and plan strategically. I also upped my electronics to level 2 for some extra CPU.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
267
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:44:00 -
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I would resignate from NK(they work only for MMScouts) and consider fitting Compact Nanohive because it can fix your armor for low CPU/PG cost from time to time.
I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
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Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:51:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:I would resignate from NK(they work only for MMScouts) and consider fitting Compact Nanohive because it can fix your armor for low CPU/PG cost from time to time.
But I loooove the NK's Its the reason I became a scout. I know MM use them best but the other racial scouts must be able to use them successfully as well no?
I'm in a debate on possibly switching to a Minmatar suit over the NK's but that's a back and forth fight. I like the scanning capabilities of the Gallente but want to use the knives too. Using the passive scans and then ambushing has worked but the extra melee damage the Min scouts get would be nice too. |
Cpl Foster USMC
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:13:00 -
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love the name...
good one.
I'm getting tired...
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:27:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:What are your scanning levels (dampening, range, precision)? Hey Vulpes, my dampening, range and precision are all at level 2 so I cant use anything but the basics so I stuck with what I could get. I took the long route to scouting as I tried to shoot for the proto scout suit and built up to level 4 but that left me with the lower level modules. Now I'm working on the modules even though the 4 low levels a proto gets makes my mouth water. But I guess I can just use loyalty points for the Federation Scout. 1. If you are already at Lv 3 Gallente scout, get to Lv 4 dampening ASAP. At Lv 4 dampening/Lv 3 gallente scout, you can avoid the advanced scanner without a dampener (35.19 dB) which, for the most part, is really all you need to do. The advanced scanner is the most commonly used scanner. If you find yourself getting scanned during a match then either switch out into a dampened suit at a depot or come in with one after you die next. 2. You don't need a presision enhancer unless you are trying to hunt down dampened medium frames, and, with your skill where they currently are you can't even do that. So get rid of the enhancer. 3. You are a Gallente scout. This suit was built for ranged passive scanning. At Lv 5 range skill and suit skill you can passively scan for any undampend medium or heavy frame at 52 meters with one complex range amplifier and 73 meters with two. This is the art of stealth, and it is quite powerful. Learn to use it. I don't use NKs so I don't know what advice to give you there but I can give you an example of how I set up my fittings: Adv G-scout 1 Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Assault rail rifle TT-3 scrambler pistol Compact nanohive (very important) Complex range amplifier Basic armor plate Adv G-scout 2 2x complex shield extender Rail rifle KLO scrambler pistol Compact nanohive 2x Complex range amplifier So, I hope this helped you out some. Good luck. I'm a level 4 scout with level 3 dampening Vulpes. I took your advice and made a dropsuit with no dampener to free up for a stamina boost. I also got my range and precision skills to level 3 so I guess the direction I am taking is to see the enemy and plan strategically. I also upped my electronics to level 2 for some extra CPU.
Sounds good. The more you play to the role's stringths the more fun you'll have.
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Bad JuJu Jones
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:56:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Personally I would swap the weapons around in the slots. I know it doesn't really make much difference but I've noticed in the heat of battle it is easy to accidental switch the the primary when you want to gun someone down. Its a personal thing so if you control is good then no problem.
But I would try to upgrade the knives to the ZN-28. 1.5s charge time is far too clumsy
Edit - oh and unless your specifically after dampened mid suits I would loose the precision enhancer. 45dB + level 1 in precision enhancers means no mid suits can passively evade you, which is enough (50dB - lvl5 damp = 45). Trying to compete precision vs dampeners is simply impossible. Precision enhancers are -5% in comparison so will always loose out.
Thanks Broonfondle, I have the ZN-28 and I put the SMG as a primary as I find I can get caught off guard when laying remote explosives and mistakenly switch to NK when I need a distance weapon.
Does that mean Precision Enhancers are broken? If you max em out and use the Complex module you must be able to pick up even other scouts. |
One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
307
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:39:00 -
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I would suggest that side arms damage mods would be of benefit to you more than the precision enhancer, esp since you are just running gal and use 2 side arms.
One aspect that is important is your play style. How do you use your suit? Are you running ambush and flanking while a squad has their attention? Are you hacking and holding objectives? Are you just hacking objectives and running off to cause more mischief?
Your play style or where you would like your play style to be also determines what you should fit.
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Bad JuJu Jones
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Posted - 2014.02.10 02:07:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I would suggest that side arms damage mods would be of benefit to you more than the precision enhancer, esp since you are just running gal and use 2 side arms.
One aspect that is important is your play style. How do you use your suit? Are you running ambush and flanking while a squad has their attention? Are you hacking and holding objectives? Are you just hacking objectives and running off to cause more mischief?
Your play style or where you would like your play style to be also determines what you should fit.
Good point, on large maps I find myself running from objective to objective hacking and ambush defending on my own. In between I hunt down snipers and ambush those I come along. unfortunately I get owned when there is one objective and its in a complex as I cant take on a squad on my own. I have a variant dropsuit for these cases and it's lack luster. I run:
2X SMG Shield Extender Flux Grenade Drop Uplink (To keep teammates coming) Reactive Plate (To help Heal) Basic Armour Plate (For extra damage)
This works to a degree when I cant scout and its has to be an all on assault but if I can I'm always trying to use stealth. |
Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
26
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Posted - 2014.02.10 02:17:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Hey guys, I wanted to get your feedback on a scout build. Currently I run an Advanced Gallente Scout Suit with the following:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I know many of those who use Nova Knives use the Kin Kats and I was debating changing my Low Slots to Kin Cats and Range Amplifier or Kin Cats and Cardiac Regulators but I'm concerned about being detected or I like being able to scan further out.
I have Scout suit skilled to 4 so that should give me a 40% scan range buff but do you guys find the need to use Range Amplifiers and Profile Dampeners or do the base scout perks do the job well enough? It almost seems with the racial benefits the Gallente Scout suits get why not enhance on them futher?
Replace the NK with a SG, lose the dampners and range amplifiers because as a gal scout you get both of those as bonuses, so you'll be fine esp. at level 4. Next you should consider some reactive or ferroscale armor and/or kin cats. You can keep the remote explosives, and flux grenades, but for your high powered you can either go for damage mods or shield extenders. Your pick and have fun. (but if you REALLY want to use NK then go for a longer range light weapon b/c the SG is **** at that, so try the RR or CR however as a gal scout you dn't get the dmg bonus for NK, but it's your choice.)
Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1373
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Posted - 2014.02.10 02:32:00 -
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ditch the basic pin point it's useless you wont see another scout coming and everything else you'll pick up passively. upgrade whatever you can to enhanced or better.
a basic guide:
MLT: scrub gear, cheap and that's about it STD: not competitive, use for cheap builds or unimportant mods ADV: base line competitive (this is what you run day to day) PRO: for your core mods, shield extenders, plates, range extenders
asap skill up: gallente scout 5 + profile dampening 3 = passive signature below ADV scanners
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1267
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Posted - 2014.02.10 02:49:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:Hey guys, I wanted to get your feedback on a scout build. Currently I run an Advanced Gallente Scout Suit with the following:
High Slots: Basic Shield Extender Basic Precision Enhancer
Light Weapon: Nova Knives
Sidearm: SMG
Grenade: Flux Grenades
Equipment Slot: Remote explosives or Drop uplink
Low Slots: Basic Profile Dampener Basic Range Amplifier
I know many of those who use Nova Knives use the Kin Kats and I was debating changing my Low Slots to Kin Cats and Range Amplifier or Kin Cats and Cardiac Regulators but I'm concerned about being detected or I like being able to scan further out.
I have Scout suit skilled to 4 so that should give me a 40% scan range buff but do you guys find the need to use Range Amplifiers and Profile Dampeners or do the base scout perks do the job well enough? It almost seems with the racial benefits the Gallente Scout suits get why not enhance on them futher?
I currently run Range Extender + KinCat, CardReg or Dampener on my Adv Gallente Knifing builds. I recommend starting with Green / Red, then switching out for the Dampener if you get scanned.
If you can fit it, I'd recommend pairing your Knife with a Fine Rifle (AR, ScR, RR, CR). The SMG is a solid CQC choice, but something with more range will afford you greater versatility.
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:09:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I would suggest that side arms damage mods would be of benefit to you more than the precision enhancer, esp since you are just running gal and use 2 side arms.
One aspect that is important is your play style. How do you use your suit? Are you running ambush and flanking while a squad has their attention? Are you hacking and holding objectives? Are you just hacking objectives and running off to cause more mischief?
Your play style or where you would like your play style to be also determines what you should fit. Good point, on large maps I find myself running from objective to objective hacking and ambush defending on my own. In between I hunt down snipers and ambush those I come along. unfortunately I get owned when there is one objective and its in a complex as I cant take on a squad on my own. I have a variant dropsuit for these cases and it's lack luster. I run: 2X SMG Shield Extender Flux Grenade Drop Uplink (To keep teammates coming) Reactive Plate (To help Heal) Basic Armour Plate (For extra damage) This works to a degree when I cant scout and its has to be an all on assault but if I can I'm always trying to use stealth.
As much as you run around, which is what I do as well, cardiac regs are a must. I run kincats too, but to this point I am unconvinced they are worth it (granted I only run basic as my suit is std and they suck up the cpu/pg).
Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
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