No incentive for EVE players.

Ok, let me do some brainstorming on the incentives for EVE Alliances to care about Planetary Districts held by DUST players.


The current bonuses are clearly not enough. For one thing they only apply to Corporations, when it would be better to have the bonuses apply to the Alliance. It is common to have DUST Corps and EVE Corps in the same Alliance, but it is rare to have a mixed DUST/EVE Corp (other than alts of the management team) due to the challenge of managing on both sides of the fence. The current bonuses, based on district infrastructure are:

- Cargo Hub: 10% per district owned to a maximum of 4 districts (40%) decrease in manufacturing time at a POS.
- Research Lab: 5% per district owned to a maximum of 4 (20%), reduction in POS fuel usage.
- Production Facility: Nothing? I could not find an EVE bonus associated with it.


So we need new Incentives. Lets start with PI. CCP has gotten away from the idea of DUST players being able to take over an EVE playerGÇÖs PI setup, but rather than looking at DUST harming an EVE playerGÇÖs PI, lets look at ways they could benefit PI.

How about Corps that own districts being able to build facilities that would give a bonus to any Alliance member doing PI on that planet?

- Power Stations: Gives a 10% Power Grid bonus to ever Allied PI Command Centre on the Planet.
- Server farm: Gives a 10% CPU upgrade to every Allied PI Command Centre on the Planet.

How about giving an increase to PI harvesting yield and processing time when your PI facilities are within an area controlled by a friendly district?

How about if a Corp owns all the districts on a planet they have the ability to set an export tax on top of the tax at the POCO?


What other bonuses or benefits could a district offer to the EVE players in the Alliance?
- Higher bounty payouts for RatGÇÖs killed in the system proportional to the percentage of the districts in the system owned by your alliance?
- More POS bonuses?
- A corporate/personal hanger in the POCO if your Alliance owns the POCO and at least 1 district on the Planet.
- Have the hanger size for POCO hanger increase with the number of districts owned.
- Factories in the districts to produce components for POS fuel such as Oxygen.
- Factories to refine minerals. Drop off the ore at the POCO, and it gets processed on the planet at the factory in your Alliance's district for a lower cost than at a station, but with a 24 hour delay. Gets returned to your hanger in the POCO for pickup.

I am more of a PVPer than an Industrialist so I donGÇÖt have a full understanding on how POSGÇÖs work, so that is hampering my abilities to come up with good bonuses for them.

Do any of these ideas have promise? Do they give you any ideas?

I was under the same impression Tallen, but then I think PI got intrenched in EVE and the player base started getting worried about people in another game messing with their PI. So CCP backed off.

I think that using Districts as PI Command Centres can start as a bonus on top of the current PI system. But then when DUST gets districts on all planet types, and EVE players get used to taking advantage of what the DUST players in their Alliance are doing, then the system can be reworked for full integration.

I was under the same impression Tallen, but then I think PI got intrenched in EVE and the player base started getting worried about people in another game messing with their PI. So CCP backed off.

I think that using Districts as PI Command Centres can start as a bonus on top of the current PI system. But then when DUST gets districts on all planet types, and EVE players get used to taking advantage of what the DUST players in their Alliance are doing, then the system can be reworked for full integration.

Completely agree, on my Eve toon I mentioned to a corp mate about the idea of Dust players interacting with PI and he went on tilt. Eve players have a much bigger voice than Dust (in numbers and in $$$ to ccp).

It'd be awesome if each district would provide a PI percentage output bonus for the Eve pilot (or corp) that controls it.

So, the eve capsuleer would set up contracts where they'd pay to have a district taken - the cost would be both for the attack and, if won, another cost to control it. That way defenders always get paid as well. Eve pilots could set up the attack battle plan: arrange the Siege cannons/CRU/Depots etc (sort of like a board game) - and there are limits of each type of course. At the end of it if there is a victory, Eve pilots get to then set up the defenses and put up a set amount to defend it. All costs would be CONCORD controlled.

The more districts controlled the higher the cost. This would set up an built in matching situation: you're not going to take the contract using militia gear on the highest paid defense (probably all proto suits). You'd choose the lowest paid defense. To the point where a proto merc wouldn't be able to cover the cost of one dropsuit loss. I also think WP payout would be lower based on suits..but I already have a thread for that...

So, say (idk) 10 mil to attack or defend for the first district and then 20 mil for the second and so on.

PI might be boring (I don't find it boring, I farmed the hell out of it for almost 2 years in null), but to be fair messing with it really could bork the economy at this point. PI is an utterly massive component to starbase fuel, and those are critical to T2 manufacturing. Both from the research side, and on the material production side. A small bump in the price of fuel blocks causes a huge ripple effect in the economy.

Maka rax, maybe I misinterpreted your suggestion but it sounds like you want to take the control of districts out of the hands of DUST mercs and give it to EVE Pilots. I would not be in favour of that, but I would be fine with having the PC interface be accessible to Corp directors/managers in either game.

I would also be fine with a contract system as an alternative to the Terrestrial Combat Officer being needed to bring ringers into a PC match. This would allow EVE corps to own Planetary Conquest districts and just get ringers to fight for them.

what's the point?

we're registering low-sec activity with concord now? that's nonsense.

I don't believe there should be any negative modifications to PI, only positive. Eve pilots need a worth while incentive to interact with Dust players. At the moment, there aren't enough. If anything, more production output would lower fuel costs.

I made a post ages ago about a
way to bring warbarges in, though the topic is locked now.

In essence, a warbarge could function sort of like a mobile POS in that it is tough and has defences. The defences can be tweaked by Dust corps (assuming they are owning the warbarge) in the same way a POS can so you can balance it according to weapons/hardeners etc.
I reckon it should function like supercaps in that it can't be pointed without very specialised ships (i.e. Heavy Interdictor), but it can be attacked so could be taken down in the 20 minutes or so a match will run.