DUST Search - 1.8 scout roles

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning
Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game
Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking and gimped weaponry
Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp

But don't worry the minmitar scout can speed tank, and the ammar scout's extra health is super useful

The only reason the amarr scout is better than minmitar is because of its better slot load out. Gallente, however, has the best slot load out, the best fitting capabilities, the best stealth abilities, and the best hp and speed ratio.

Currently, all scouts except gallente have -1 low slot because a dampener is necessary for survival. the gallente can now put on an adv plate, and 3x kin cats, whereas the minmitar, the speed tanker, can only put on two. Now the gallente scout is faster than the min scout, and has inherent armor repair. Then, all they need is a shield extender and a damage mod. The gallente scout now has enough cpu and pg to fit a cloak and active scanner (stable). A minmitar scout now trying to catch up to the gallente scouts hp uses 3x complex shield extenders. Now, with maxed out fitting skills, they have 17 pg left, 11 if they want the scanner, whereas the gallente has 26. Now the basic cloak costs 9 pg with maxed out scout skills. The minmitar can now run a basic cloak and a flay lock pistol, and the gallente scout can run a proto specialist shotgun, an SMG, and a cloak.

Does this sound fair?

Amarr scouts at least have a better fitting option compared to minmitar

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Regnier Feros Immortal Guides 25	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote its seems like all scout have dedicated role except for amarr for example: Caldari scout-long range sniping role Gallente scout-close range stealth role Minmatar scout-close range hacking/melee role Amarr scouts-? Minmatar Women Do It Better
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2965	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:26:00 - [2] - Quote The scouts counter their traditional enemy. Caldari: Perimeter Defense Gallente: Infiltration Minmatar: Guerilla Fighter Ammar: Relentless Hunter // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6368	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:53:00 - [3] - Quote But Amarr is supposed to be slow because of more base HP so even when you go to the lightest specialization where that bonus HP is the smallest the speed penalty is the same It's a scout suit, make it a scout suit. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
pseudosnipre 576	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:12:00 - [4] - Quote vision sharing would be a nice hunter skill... scout LOS -> squad chevrons Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 851	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:16:00 - [5] - Quote Caldari:Recon Gallente: Stealth Amarr:Light assault Minmatar:Assassin/Saboteur If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6371	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:19:00 - [6] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Caldari:Recon Gallente: Stealth Amarr:Light assault Minmatar:Assassin/Saboteur Minmatar Assault is already light assault. When you specifically have separate classes, one of which is called "Assault" and one of which is called "Scout," then make the scouts do the scout roles and the assaults do the assault roles. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 421	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:27:00 - [7] - Quote Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6373	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:36:00 - [8] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 856	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Caldari:Recon Gallente: Stealth Amarr:Light assault Minmatar:Assassin/Saboteur Minmatar Assault is already light assault. When you specifically have separate classes, one of which is called "Assault" and one of which is called "Scout," then make the scouts do the scout roles and the assaults do the assault roles. okay, then what's the amarr supposed to do for scouting? all the other traditional scout roles are taken. They intend it to be a light assault suit(which is different from the assault suits via it's lower profile, higher speed and stamina) If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1813	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:39:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Armor and Shields are not the same!

Vencio Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:41:00 - [11] - Quote It all depends at certain factors and how one chooses to play a role they choose it to be ( it could be a hybrid role also). There are no cons or flaws on choosing how to play an effective scout. Although there are experienced scouts that chooses to pass on good knowledge to other new scouts.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 856	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:43:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Gallente: Best scout, heavy, slayer logi, and a pretty decent assault amar: they look nice Caldari: best gun, best shield tank Minmatar: best hack speed. also, eyepatches. best logi-logi. Revised for accuaracy. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 425	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:45:00 - [13] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Gallente: Best scout, heavy, slayer logi, and a pretty decent assault amar: they look nice Caldari: best gun, best shield tank Minmatar: best hack speed. also, eyepatches. best logi-logi. Revised for accuaracy. Pretty damn accurate. The only bonus minmitar have over gallente is a 300% bonus to badassery per level Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 425	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:46:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Its so true, its not even funny Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1813	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Gallente: Best scout, heavy, slayer logi, and a pretty decent assault amar: they look nice Caldari: best gun, best shield tank Minmatar: best hack speed. also, eyepatches. best logi-logi. Revised for accuaracy. Best heavy goes to Caldari sentinel with that godly repair Idk who has the best slayer logi in 1.8, in 1.7 it's the Gallentr if using a kaal rail at long range but for close range it's probably the Caldari logi. Amarr has the most flexible heavy and the only heavy aside from minmatar that can stack damage without losing significant tank. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 859	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:53:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Gallente: Best scout, heavy, slayer logi, and a pretty decent assault amar: they look nice Caldari: best gun, best shield tank Minmatar: best hack speed. also, eyepatches. best logi-logi. Revised for accuaracy. Best heavy goes to Caldari sentinel with that godly repair Idk who has the best slayer logi in 1.8, in 1.7 it's the Gallentr if using a kaal rail at long range but for close range it's probably the Caldari logi. Amarr has the most flexible heavy and the only heavy aside from minmatar that can stack damage without losing significant tank. Nope, one flux and he's kissing dirt. gallente have a massive armorstack tank and resist to the two most widely used weapons in the game, and the only ones with a bonus against armor.(sentinel resist is 25% against splash as a base, gallente get 15% rail and 10% projectile. with 1800+ armor) If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 425	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:56:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp Pretty much this Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Gallente: Best scout, heavy, slayer logi, and a pretty decent assault amar: they look nice Caldari: best gun, best shield tank Minmatar: best hack speed. also, eyepatches. best logi-logi. Revised for accuaracy. Best heavy goes to Caldari sentinel with that godly repair Idk who has the best slayer logi in 1.8, in 1.7 it's the Gallentr if using a kaal rail at long range but for close range it's probably the Caldari logi. Amarr has the most flexible heavy and the only heavy aside from minmatar that can stack damage without losing significant tank. Nope, with a good logibro the gallente will be the best with an ungodly 1300 armor and resistances that can push it up to over 1800 EHP. With 100 armor per second or so, the gallente will be the best heavy unless your a noob and don't run with a team. YOU DONT KNOW WHO THE BEST SLAYER LOGI WILL BE???!! OBVIOUSLY IT WILL STAY GALLENTE!!!! shields are so OP right now I'm expecting a nerf to them based solely upon your amount of QQ. THE CALDARI LOGI IS NOT VERY GOOD COMPARED TO GALLENTE!! They can't fit equipment without sacrificing tank, while gallente can use armor, damage mods, ands still have 3 different armor hives to sit on while firing away with proto weaponry. Amarr will have a decent sentinel, ill give you that, but it just won't be as good as a gallente. Minmitar heavy will only be used in the hands of trolls and pros who want a speed tanked HMGer Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 430	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:24:00 - [18] - Quote bump Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Oswald Rehnquist 1212	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:47:00 - [19] - Quote These are the actual roles, I can also explain why if needed. Caldari: Anti Scout, Recon, Range Suppression Gallente: Infiltrator, Recon, Omni Scout Minmatar: Runner, Hacker, Skirmish Assault Amarr: Runner, light assault Below 28 dB
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 577	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:56:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Hmm I am not sure if the gallente have the best scout, sure its the stealthiest one but thats it. The caldari is IMHO the best one if you can live with shield tanking. He has the relative unique advantage of boni that buff each other this opens a wide area of possibillities. Apart from tis he has overall the "best" suit stats and the highest shield recharge that is currently known. The minmatar scout has the most balanced slot layout which makes him some sort of gereralist and those two hacking boni paired with the higher speed will make the minni scout the bane of skirmish matches. BTW shields are still quite powerfull and still in a very good place compared to armor they simply require a different playsyle. Sure shields have less overall HP but they recover damn fast and with 1.8 this will be buffed the penalty is really not that bad compared to the armor penalty.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6382	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:07:00 - [21] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Caldari:Recon Gallente: Stealth Amarr:Light assault Minmatar:Assassin/Saboteur Minmatar Assault is already light assault. When you specifically have separate classes, one of which is called "Assault" and one of which is called "Scout," then make the scouts do the scout roles and the assaults do the assault roles. okay, then what's the amarr supposed to do for scouting? all the other traditional scout roles are taken. They intend it to be a light assault suit(which is different from the assault suits via it's lower profile, higher speed and stamina) Are you really so uncreative that you can't think of anything else for a scout to do? Plus Gallente Scout can do Light Assault better than Amarr Scout given the stats CCP provided. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6594	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:21:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Caldari:Recon Gallente: Stealth Amarr:Light assault Minmatar:Assassin/Saboteur Minmatar Assault is already light assault. When you specifically have separate classes, one of which is called "Assault" and one of which is called "Scout," then make the scouts do the scout roles and the assaults do the assault roles. okay, then what's the amarr supposed to do for scouting? all the other traditional scout roles are taken. They intend it to be a light assault suit(which is different from the assault suits via it's lower profile, higher speed and stamina) Are you really so uncreative that you can't think of anything else for a scout to do? Plus Gallente Scout can do Light Assault better than Amarr Scout given the stats CCP provided. Inherant 3 Armour reps per second -25% Scan Profile +1000 HP (with better reps that's +850) Better standard biotics stats Smaller Frame Possibility of Cloak or 2x equipment So you have a visually and sensor dampened, light frame biotic powerhouse, with 2x equipment slots, light weapons, and nearly top tier medium frame HP values....... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:44:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente- best at everything compared to other scouts other than scanning Caldari- a Proto active scanner functioning at all times with best shields in the game Minmitar-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to hacking and gimped weaponry Ammarr-The inferior gallente scout with a bonus to stamina and hp But don't worry the minmitar scout can speed tank, and the ammar scout's extra health is super useful The only reason the amarr scout is better than minmitar is because of its better slot load out. Gallente, however, has the best slot load out, the best fitting capabilities, the best stealth abilities, and the best hp and speed ratio. Currently, all scouts except gallente have -1 low slot because a dampener is necessary for survival. the gallente can now put on an adv plate, and 3x kin cats, whereas the minmitar, the speed tanker, can only put on two. Now the gallente scout is faster than the min scout, and has inherent armor repair. Then, all they need is a shield extender and a damage mod. The gallente scout now has enough cpu and pg to fit a cloak and active scanner (stable). A minmitar scout now trying to catch up to the gallente scouts hp uses 3x complex shield extenders. Now, with maxed out fitting skills, they have 17 pg left, 11 if they want the scanner, whereas the gallente has 26. Now the basic cloak costs 9 pg with maxed out scout skills. The minmitar can now run a basic cloak and a flay lock pistol, and the gallente scout can run a proto specialist shotgun, an SMG, and a cloak. Does this sound fair? Amarr scouts at least have a better fitting option compared to minmitar Nope. The amarr don't get a bonus to HP, the only bonus is to stamina/recovery. Oh you mean the +30 HP that the amarr scout pays for by being slower than the minmatar assault? I guess that means that the minmatar get a bonus to speed and hacking and OHKO nova knives. This is versus a completely underwhelming amount of stamina/recovery bonus, yeah...... The minmatar scout >>>>>>>>>>>> amarr scout. Also, I thought sprint speed was capped at 9 m/s? If so, why would you fit 3 kincats?
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 464	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:50:00 - [24] - Quote i honestly think 1.8 scouts were more focused around the most predominant "styles of scout" the assassin the e-war lovers the slayer scouts the stealthy scouts I recantly stacked 2 precision mods and 2 range amps on my gal scout and i absolutely loved it, so when i saw that the caldari scout was going to have a bonus to precision and range that scout became myfirst choice (and still is). The caldari scout is for people who like the scouts natural precision and range abilities. These are people who like knowledge and e-war and the caldari scout bonuses allow you to watch enemies with out them knowing. The gallente scout is for people who don't want to be seen and utilize stealth as an asset. This is probably what most people do with scouts. The minmatar scout is primarily for ninja knifers and speed hackers. The more assassin and guarilla warfare oriented scouts are the ones who typically avoid conflicts to persue other ways of helping out the team. With the minmatar scouts current bonuses seemingly focusing on none combat roles. however knifers use stealth as well and will have to chooe between better knife or better stealth. The amar scout is for people who want to assault in a scout suit. They are the ones who tank scouts and have no intention of being sneaky. I might put shotgun scouts in a more assault oriented playstyle only because they tend to hang around the frontline so much. The long stamina and higher base hp help these assault oriented scouts stay moving and ultimately live longer. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1816	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:17:00 - [25] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Gallente= best scout Caldari= best assault Amarr= best heavy Minmatar= best logistics Hmm I am not sure if the gallente have the best scout, sure its the stealthiest one but thats it. The caldari is IMHO the best one if you can live with shield tanking. He has the relative unique advantage of boni that buff each other this opens a wide area of possibillities. Apart from tis he has overall the "best" suit stats and the highest shield recharge that is currently known. The minmatar scout has the most balanced slot layout which makes him some sort of gereralist and those two hacking boni paired with the higher speed will make the minni scout the bane of skirmish matches. BTW shields are still quite powerfull and still in a very good place compared to armor they simply require a different playsyle. Sure shields have less overall HP but they recover damn fast and with 1.8 this will be buffed the penalty is really not that bad compared to the armor penalty. Come 1.8 it is really hard for my to not spec into a shield suit. Although I love Gallente weapon I just love the in your face play style. But I think shields are just so much easier to use than armor. The only reason why this isn't a for sure is because the Gallente scout looks awesome I love stealth. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 453	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:17:00 - [26] - Quote shields easier to use than armorGÇª.only if you can actually speed tank bro. You will be sorely disappointed I'm afraid Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!


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