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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:29:00 -
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I think the ScR is almost perfectly balanced. The only thing I think is wrong is that its RoF is a bit too high, and it welcomes the use of modded controllers a bit too much. I think that a reduction from 705 RpM(11.75/s) to 570 RpM(9.5/s) would be perfect.
This number is perfect because it isn't slow enough that oversampling will be an issue, and it isn't so fast that modded controllers would be nearly as abusable as they are right now.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
534
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:That thing is.... damn. Two days ago I literally got 1 shotted by one. No proto rail rifle with stacked damage mods, not even a proto shotty sometimes can one shot me. But the Scrambler, instakill in one hit. So I have a lot of respect for Scrambler users, minus the guy who thinks shotguns should be heavier. And it younger brother.
Oh yeah, my health is 130 shield mostly, 70 HP. I'm a Gallente Scout. Oh well yeah...you would have died from the charged shot. Though it does take a little something special to hit a running scout at range.
I was 5 meters away, behind him when he turned around shot me. He was Caladari, using a advanced SCR.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1549
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:04:00 -
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Scr is OP, nomatterwhat.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:06:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat.
^Shield User^
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Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
289
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:25:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Shotgun should decimate your suit.....
But the ScR is a finicky weapon for me to offer an opinion. While 85% of the time I have no problem with it, 15% of the time I get so frustrated cause it rips to me pieces. Which leads me to believe there are 85% of people who use it and are mediocre, and 15% who use it that make that weapon one of the best in the game. I am not about to say OP at all. It is the player that makes that weapon OP. But damn, that weapon in the right hands is BEASTMODE. Incorrect use of decimate. Decimate is when you destroy a tenth of something. A shotgun should OBLITERATE, utterly destroy, and paint the walls with scout blood. Why it takes more than one shot to kill him (assuming he doesn't run plates like a good scout) is beyond me.
That's the historic(defunct) definition. Decimate means to greatly reduce or destroy a large part of.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1549
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:32:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat. ^Shield User^
Armor tanker, but if they have damage mods they don't care if you tank shield or armor.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:35:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat. ^Shield User^ Armor tanker, but if they have damage mods they don't care if you tank shield or armor.
Every other weapon works this way as well... Damage mods aren't exclusive to ScRs.
Also, they are changing damage mods in 1.8
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Rorick Crawely
SMARTCREW
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:01:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:@Rorick
If you are willing to learn and give the SCR another try, I would be more than happy to squad up with you and give you my fittings, tips on my playstyle and the pros/cons of the gun itself, as well as some other "tricks" that I have learned along the way. Just send me a message with your times and I will make time for you. Trust me...once you pick it up and learn how to use it correctly and to YOUR full advantage, you won't want to put it down.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
567
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:31:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Okay, so my ScR will two shot you without charging.
And I tap the trigger twice to kill you with my CR
And my RR will three-shot you.
And only one of those guns overheats and makes you die.
Where is the problem, again?
And of the top two, the ScR has like 250% PG consumption, and 20% CPU consumption.
Lol at overheat as a balancing factor. You get 20+ shots off before an overheat in a skilled up Amarr assault, enough to kill this guy ten times over. |
Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1235
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:58:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Okay, so my ScR will two shot you without charging.
And I tap the trigger twice to kill you with my CR
And my RR will three-shot you.
And only one of those guns overheats and makes you die.
Where is the problem, again?
And of the top two, the ScR has like 250% PG consumption, and 20% CPU consumption. Lol at overheat as a balancing factor. You get 20+ shots off before an overheat in a skilled up Amarr assault, enough to kill this guy ten times over.
It's less about HOW many shots you can fire at an enemy and MORE about how you "place" those shots instead. Anyone, ANYONE can spam their trigger finger but the good users will make EVERY shot count. Spammers only make their gun overheat faster. No skill in that tbh.
While having the heat bonus is a welcomed treat to us SCR users, it does by no means make the gun itself OP. Imo, the user and his skill with it make the gun OP. Say what you want about it, but fact is fact: NO other gun, aside from the LR, has a debillatating effect to its owner as much as the SCR. True, the SCR is the best 1v1 rifle out there and for its weaknessess, it should very well be...but it is, by no means, OP. People seem to forget about the older threads hailing the gun itself as the "first and only balanced gun in the game" during its introduction. Even when they changed the bonus to the heat reduction (it was a reduction in charge shot time per level), it was still praised as such. Only the emergence of the people who stuck with it and got good at it did all of those "SCR needs a nerf" threads begin to pop up.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 12:40:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I love the charge shot. In the time it takes to charge, another rifle could already kill me, but its such a perfect feature for when you're behind cover or when the enemy doesn't notice you. I love my Templaaaarrrrrrrr scrambler rifle.
I only charge it up when people don't see me. Other times I just spam the trigger till they die, I must admit it's satisfying when I kill heavies before I overheat
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1553
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:49:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat. ^Shield User^ Armor tanker, but if they have damage mods they don't care if you tank shield or armor. Every other weapon works this way as well... Damage mods aren't exclusive to ScRs. Also, they are changing damage mods in 1.8
If they manage to change the damage mod and proficiency in order to make scr less effective against armor probabily it can be balanced, right now scr is a joke, it melts everything shield, armor, scout, heavies, literally everything and no it's not a noob tube like it was the MD but is seriously unbalanced ( only the RR at long range beat it, but that is the purpose of the RR)
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:56:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat. ^Shield User^ Armor tanker, but if they have damage mods they don't care if you tank shield or armor. Every other weapon works this way as well... Damage mods aren't exclusive to ScRs. Also, they are changing damage mods in 1.8 If they manage to change the damage mod and proficiency in order to make scr less effective against armor probabily it can be balanced, right now scr is a joke, it melts everything shield, armor, scout, heavies, literally everything and no it's not a noob tube like it was the MD but is seriously unbalanced ( only the RR at long range beat it, but that is the purpose of the RR)
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
538
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:00:00 -
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NOO!!
I will not tolerate my thread being turned into an argument over 'SCR OP' 'SCR unbalanced' thread. So... here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jf9cn5cJowA#t=189
When I watch this, I feel better about my gameplay.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6678
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:00:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range.
That's ******* bullshit and you know it.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:05:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:shaman oga wrote:Scr is OP, nomatterwhat. ^Shield User^ Armor tanker, but if they have damage mods they don't care if you tank shield or armor. Every other weapon works this way as well... Damage mods aren't exclusive to ScRs. Also, they are changing damage mods in 1.8 If they manage to change the damage mod and proficiency in order to make scr less effective against armor probabily it can be balanced, right now scr is a joke, it melts everything shield, armor, scout, heavies, literally everything and no it's not a noob tube like it was the MD but is seriously unbalanced ( only the RR at long range beat it, but that is the purpose of the RR)
You realize it has -20 percent damage to armor already (weakest in the game)
And you want it to be LESS effective? You cannot take a heavy without overheating. Its literally not possible. Sooo your arguement is what again? Scr is the most balanced rifle in this game. The only issue it has, is the RoF, and that's only because of modded controller scrubs.. |
IVIaster LUKE
Shadow Company HQ
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:07:00 -
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Over heat mechanic can be reduced by using Amarr dropsuit bonus. Nice!
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range. That's ******* bullshit and you know it.
Scrambler rifles definitely don't do group targeting better than other rifles. It's great for one on ones, but you get into groups and you just can't sustain the damage very long because you're either overheated or waiting to cool down. One of the main reasons I switched over to assault scrambler rifle awhile ago. I love the normal ones much more, but my playstyle tends to come across lots of groups and the normal scrambler just can't handle it and I already put so many points into it. Any other rifle is far better in these situations.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range. That's ******* bullshit and you know it.
Think about it, in 1.5/1.6 people realized the SCR was better than AR.
At the end of 1.6 more people were using SCR than AR.
Then 1.7, the new rifles, we are curious and we use them, but the scr waits in the shadows with its OPness.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:15:00 -
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In the hands of a skilled player, there is NO more powerful 1:1 weapon, IMO.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:25:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:In the hands of a skilled player, there is NO more powerful 1:1 weapon, IMO.
Scrambler Pistol will mess up a Scrambler Rifle. In the right hands of course.
ScR: 800-1100 DPS.
ScP: 700-4000 DPS.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Ryme Intrinseca
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
568
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:28:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range. That's ******* bullshit and you know it. Think about it, in 1.5/1.6 people realized the SCR was better than AR. At the end of 1.6 more people were using SCR than AR. Then 1.7, the new rifles, we are curious and we use them, but the scr waits in the shadows with its OPness.
The other reason ScR doesn't have more users is it takes a massive SP investment to get the most out of it. Every other rifle (except LR, lol) you just put points into the rifle and, provided you have any medium proto suit, you're basically maxed out. But with ScR you have to max out the rifle and the Amarr Assault to be maxed. Very, very few players have 5 million unallocated SP lying around to do that. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
568
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:32:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:In the hands of a skilled player, there is NO more powerful 1:1 weapon, IMO.
Scrambler Pistol will mess up a Scrambler Rifle. In the right hands of course. ScR: 800-1100 DPS. ScP: 700-4000 DPS.
Doesn't combat rifle also have DPS around 1000DPS?
They really need to buff the AR and LR so they at least have a chance at their supposed 'ideal range'. |
NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:34:00 -
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The ScP does less dps than my ScR, without charging
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Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:42:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Okay, so my ScR will two shot you without charging.
And I tap the trigger twice to kill you with my CR
And my RR will three-shot you.
And only one of those guns overheats and makes you die.
Where is the problem, again?
And of the top two, the ScR has like 250% PG consumption, and 20% CPU consumption.
amarr bonus makes overheating hard to due unless your out right spamming....
I used it at operation 4 and I never over heated unless I was trying to kill 2 heavie back to back. This is before the 1.8 scrambler buff mind you...
CR will 2 burst (thats still 6 shots) him, but its also has the most recoil, dispersion and highest damage fall off of any assault rifle in the game. problem?
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:42:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:The ScP does less dps than my ScR, without charging
Headshot Bonus. 4 headshots from a ScP will down a brick tanked Heavy, in less than half a second.
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Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:49:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:In the hands of a skilled player, there is NO more powerful 1:1 weapon, IMO.
Scrambler Pistol will mess up a Scrambler Rifle. In the right hands of course. ScR: 800-1100 DPS. ScP: 700-4000 DPS. Doesn't combat rifle also have DPS around 1000DPS? They really need to buff the AR and LR so they at least have a chance at their supposed 'ideal range'.
Combat rifle DPS is 1000 DPS only in theory. when you add in the burst delay the DPS is much lower. On top of that it has the most recoil, highest dispersion and highest damage fall off of all the assault rifles. It is balanced with the galente AR because the galente AR is fully-automatic, has no recoil, has very little to nill disersion and has reduced damage fall off (the RR has the best damage fall of profile).
so,
galente AR = Combat Rifle
if you buff one you gotta buff the other.
The CR works in its intended range, the minmatar are close range fighters. The Galente Ar works in its intended range too which is close range. the galente AR and CR are balanced against each other.
you may feel the galente AR doesn't work inclose range because of how Scr and RR work. the problem is that RR and Scr are too good in close range. Nerfing Scr and RR hip fire accuracy (increasing the dispersion by 25% or more) will make the galente AR great in CQC.
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:51:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range. That's ******* bullshit and you know it. Think about it, in 1.5/1.6 people realized the SCR was better than AR. At the end of 1.6 more people were using SCR than AR. Then 1.7, the new rifles, we are curious and we use them, but the scr waits in the shadows with its OPness. The other reason ScR doesn't have more users is it takes a massive SP investment to get the most out of it. Every other rifle (except LR, lol) you just put points into the rifle and, provided you have any medium proto suit, you're basically maxed out. But with ScR you have to max out the rifle and the Amarr Assault to be maxed. Very, very few players have 5 million unallocated SP lying around to do that.
even without tons of SP its still rediculous you can do massive damage. after the first few games the player learns to manage the over heat. even without amarr frame. i used a minmatar frame and did this back in 1.6 before Scr got their buff in 1.8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:53:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Cute.
You realise all the rifles melt 'anything', right? At least the SCR has an overheat mechanic.
Scr do it better at every range shorter than RR range. That's ******* bullshit and you know it. Scrambler rifles definitely don't do group targeting better than other rifles. It's great for one on ones, but you get into groups and you just can't sustain the damage very long because you're either overheated or waiting to cool down. One of the main reasons I switched over to assault scrambler rifle awhile ago. I love the normal ones much more, but my playstyle tends to come across lots of groups and the normal scrambler just can't handle it and I already put so many points into it. Any other rifle is far better in these situations.
this isnt really much of a limiting factor.... besides anyother AR firing into a group of protos would get obliterated anyway.
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