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Ghosts Chance wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

ResistanceGTA wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

lawl, i vote we let them do it.

anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books.

These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well.

except all you have to do is leave game and it no longer effects you :P

its a high effort no reward situation for them.

Not everyone cares about stats.

Some only care for particular stats like Isk efficiency (which isn't tracked even though it should be).

Just because someone is focused like a laser on their stats like I assume you gents are doesn't mean everyone is.

I had a match where I went 0-2-0 the other night, yet I was on top of the end of match stats due to WP, did I not contribute to my team?

KDR has less meaning in Dust than in other FPS, especially when you consider tactics like Jihad Jeeps are a valid way to help your team. Isk Efficiency would be a far better metric by which to measure the worth of a mercenary, it is a direct display of return on investment. Mercenary A inflicted X damage on your enemy for Y investment, Y = 5% of X, that is a mercenary you want to invest in. Mercenary B inflicted V damage on your enemy for W investment, W = 500% of V, is that someone you really want to hire again?

Mercenary A might've died 23 times, but still managed to inflict the damage they did efficiently by intelligent use of resources.

Mercenary B might've died once, but made your opponent suffer far less than the amount of Isk you invested would've led you to believe that they would've.

KDR < Isk Efficiency.

yah yah yah, lots of irrelevent crap that post is

becuase isk efficiany is a stat dumbass

and scuiciding yoruself over and over again for literally ZERO net gain is dumb especially since the effort required to do this over and over again isnt really worth any potential enjoyment you may initially recieve

its high effort, low reward, and effort to reward ratio is ALSO a stat

i never said KDR, and i was never refering to KDR, hilariously enough i was refering to isk efficiancy and effort efficiancy

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Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 264	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:13:00 - [1] - Quote OK so....I was playing fw.....and fw army was on ?my team.....they suicided till we lost because of clone count.......seriously that's the cheapest thing in this game yet...... And no I'm not bashing fwa goals.....but to just suicide in free suits over and over just to screw other corps out of lp.......thats just cheap Not to mention requires no skill to do....... I believe you SHOULD be able to screw your team over.....but it should require a little more than repeatedly falling to your death out of the MCC Something needs to be done about this.....it becomes a problem when every noob that starts playing this game can go and rig a match just to mess with people Suicides SHOULD count towards clone count.....but what if we put a suicide limit before the match kicks you OR make it so if you do enough damage to your own team it will switch you to the opposing team( like I said I admire fwas goal just not the method) OR make it so each consecutive suicide makes your spawn timer double each time....if you suicide 4 times consecutively in a row on a 10 sec spawn you would take 160seconds to enter the match......each enemy killed reduces the spawn time by one level....so using the above numbers if I kill one enemy after four suicides I will take 80 secs to spawn Thoughts? Real heavies use lasers
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2963	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:15:00 - [2] - Quote ... ... ... // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1483	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:16:00 - [3] - Quote Didn't I see this exact thread a couple of hours ago? Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 264	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:17:00 - [4] - Quote ......I know.......dots.......cut me some slack I just woke up Real heavies use lasers
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 264	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:18:00 - [5] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Didn't I see this exact thread a couple of hours ago? I've never posted about this Must be someone else If I would've seen it i would've read it before posting Real heavies use lasers
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2963	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:18:00 - [6] - Quote ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=140121&find=unread ... I'm still in bed ... But can read beyond the front page // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 946	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:23:00 - [7] - Quote lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1141	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:27:00 - [8] - Quote You either get this or do not get to screw your team. There's never going to be an in-between with this console turd crowd. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1899	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:29:00 - [9] - Quote ... Don't... worry... I... use... ellipses... a... lot... too... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:30:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books. These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well. P.A.I.R.- Pilot Against Invisible RDVs.

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1715	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:41:00 - [11] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: OK so....I was playing fw.....and fw army was on ?my team.....they suicided till we lost because of clone count.......seriously that's the cheapest thing in this game yet...... And no I'm not bashing fwa goals.....but to just suicide in free suits over and over just to screw other corps out of lp.......thats just cheap Not to mention requires no skill to do....... I believe you SHOULD be able to screw your team over.....but it should require a little more than repeatedly falling to your death out of the MCC Something needs to be done about this.....it becomes a problem when every noob that starts playing this game can go and rig a match just to mess with people Suicides SHOULD count towards clone count.....but what if we put a suicide limit before the match kicks you OR make it so if you do enough damage to your own team it will switch you to the opposing team( like I said I admire fwas goal just not the method) OR make it so each consecutive suicide makes your spawn timer double each time....if you suicide 4 times consecutively in a row on a 10 sec spawn you would take 160seconds to enter the match......each enemy killed reduces the spawn time by one level....so using the above numbers if I kill one enemy after four suicides I will take 80 secs to spawn Thoughts? as i've said dozens of times before their needs to be auto kicks, and suicing/ team killing more then 3-5 times is when you should be auto kicked. plain and simple these players are not useful in fw and should be removed anyway.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 946	Posted - 2014.02.04 13:51:00 - [12] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books. These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well. except all you have to do is leave game and it no longer effects you :P its a high effort no reward situation for them.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1512	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:13:00 - [13] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books. These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well. except all you have to do is leave game and it no longer effects you :P its a high effort no reward situation for them. Not everyone cares about stats. Some only care for particular stats like Isk efficiency (which isn't tracked even though it should be). Just because someone is focused like a laser on their stats like I assume you gents are doesn't mean everyone is. I had a match where I went 0-2-0 the other night, yet I was on top of the end of match stats due to WP, did I not contribute to my team? KDR has less meaning in Dust than in other FPS, especially when you consider tactics like Jihad Jeeps are a valid way to help your team. Isk Efficiency would be a far better metric by which to measure the worth of a mercenary, it is a direct display of return on investment. Mercenary A inflicted X damage on your enemy for Y investment, Y = 5% of X, that is a mercenary you want to invest in. Mercenary B inflicted V damage on your enemy for W investment, W = 500% of V, is that someone you really want to hire again? Mercenary A might've died 23 times, but still managed to inflict the damage they did efficiently by intelligent use of resources. Mercenary B might've died once, but made your opponent suffer far less than the amount of Isk you invested would've led you to believe that they would've. KDR < Isk Efficiency. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 304	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:23:00 - [14] - Quote Forget FW anyway its a totally stupid gamemode. You try and do well in your team, then you get kicked for a single shot into an enemy tank. (Well what you thought was an enemy tank, obviously a hacked friendly tank but the idiotic game doesn't differentiate.)
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 265	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:26:00 - [15] - Quote You guys are missing the point.... We SHOULD be allowed to grief and screw with each other But this is just sad ...and in all honesty shouldn't be possible.....its just no fun...... With tking you at least have that oh I'm gonna get you phase..... with this its.....just disappointing Real heavies use lasers
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2963	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:37:00 - [16] - Quote // coffee ingested // brain ... activating I agree that there should be a counter or penalty to griefing. What are we supposed to do in this case? Shoot them? You can for the kill/revive guys but these guys are trying to clone themselves out. Suicide should count towards being kicked. They still put a dent in cloning out the blues but there is a limit to how much they can do. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 155	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:38:00 - [17] - Quote Well they aren't breaking any rules or stealing actual money so I'd say it's a valid tactic. Now whether you like it or not that's your opinion but they are allowed to do it according to CCP. So stop whining about it because it was only that one match probably and if it was more than one match then wait a little bit before entering the next FW so that you don't get into the same match as them. There are also other solutions too such as playing a different mode or simply playing for the other side, actually use your head and do something about it instead of whining about it to complete strangers and cloging the forums with stupid **** like this. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1193	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:42:00 - [18] - Quote How soon people forget that this is PRO, just under a different name. ContrabanJoe had them do stupid, meaningless stuff like this in MAG. They don't care about stats, just about having their own kind of fun and messing around. Most, if not all, have absolutely NO gun game whatsoever, so they trade lack of skill for a good laugh. It will happen again...and often. Best just to get used to it. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 155	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:42:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: // coffee ingested // brain ... activating I agree that there should be a counter or penalty to griefing. What are we supposed to do in this case? Shoot them? You can for the kill/revive guys but these guys are trying to clone themselves out. Suicide should count towards being kicked. They still put a dent in cloning out the blues but there is a limit to how much they can do. I suppose we could ask CCP to add some sort of kick voting system so that it would then be up to the players to keep a vigilant eye for such things as this. Personally I don't see this as a major problem so I'd rather ask CCP to fix major bugs such as rendering, performance, hit detection, etc. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:48:00 - [20] - Quote CCP is aware of the issue and are working on a solution, as is stated in feedback/requests or bugs.. Its on a list somewhere. I assume they use a giant cork board and throw darts to determine the order things are fixed/added. P.A.I.R.- Pilot Against Invisible RDVs.

Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 155	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:53:00 - [21] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: CCP is aware of the issue and are working on a solution, as is stated in feedback/requests or bugs.. Its on a list somewhere. I assume they use a giant cork board and throw darts to determine the order things are fixed/added. Sometimes I think they don't even throw the dart, just place it on the one they feel like getting to that day lol. Never the less at least they are starting straighten up glad to see that EP is doing well for us. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 850	Posted - 2014.02.04 15:11:00 - [22] - Quote It's FWA/PRO guys, them suiciding all match is only a slightly faster way for them to bleed clones than actually going into combat and getting shredded like tissue paper separating a fat kid from an ice cream buffet. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Rogue Saint Science For Death 760	Posted - 2014.02.04 15:18:00 - [23] - Quote FWARM are **** players anyway, they have realised they can't be competitive in any of the factions so resort to these sort of tactics. If they have a master plan to try and shift the balance of districts due to questionable FW mechanics I'll give them credit, but I really doubt they are that smart. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 635	Posted - 2014.02.04 15:22:00 - [24] - Quote which side was fwa on when it happened?.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1067	Posted - 2014.02.04 15:33:00 - [25] - Quote lame. But Very cool to be allowed and have the ability to meta game like that. Epic trollzed
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 195	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:07:00 - [26] - Quote Welcome to New Eden. Deal with it The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 267	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:39:00 - [27] - Quote Personally its so pathetic that I wouldn't even call it trolling Real heavies use lasers
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 951	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:12:00 - [28] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books. These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well. except all you have to do is leave game and it no longer effects you :P its a high effort no reward situation for them. Not everyone cares about stats. Some only care for particular stats like Isk efficiency (which isn't tracked even though it should be). Just because someone is focused like a laser on their stats like I assume you gents are doesn't mean everyone is. I had a match where I went 0-2-0 the other night, yet I was on top of the end of match stats due to WP, did I not contribute to my team? KDR has less meaning in Dust than in other FPS, especially when you consider tactics like Jihad Jeeps are a valid way to help your team. Isk Efficiency would be a far better metric by which to measure the worth of a mercenary, it is a direct display of return on investment. Mercenary A inflicted X damage on your enemy for Y investment, Y = 5% of X, that is a mercenary you want to invest in. Mercenary B inflicted V damage on your enemy for W investment, W = 500% of V, is that someone you really want to hire again? Mercenary A might've died 23 times, but still managed to inflict the damage they did efficiently by intelligent use of resources. Mercenary B might've died once, but made your opponent suffer far less than the amount of Isk you invested would've led you to believe that they would've. KDR < Isk Efficiency. yah yah yah, lots of irrelevent crap that post is becuase isk efficiany is a stat dumbass and scuiciding yoruself over and over again for literally ZERO net gain is dumb especially since the effort required to do this over and over again isnt really worth any potential enjoyment you may initially recieve its high effort, low reward, and effort to reward ratio is ALSO a stat i never said KDR, and i was never refering to KDR, hilariously enough i was refering to isk efficiancy and effort efficiancy
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1514	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:01:00 - [29] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: lawl, i vote we let them do it. anyone dumb enough to trash their stats over and over again for zero LP/ISK gain is alright in my books. These are just alts usually, or people who have given up on the game and want everyone else to give up as well. except all you have to do is leave game and it no longer effects you :P its a high effort no reward situation for them. Not everyone cares about stats. Some only care for particular stats like Isk efficiency (which isn't tracked even though it should be). Just because someone is focused like a laser on their stats like I assume you gents are doesn't mean everyone is. I had a match where I went 0-2-0 the other night, yet I was on top of the end of match stats due to WP, did I not contribute to my team? KDR has less meaning in Dust than in other FPS, especially when you consider tactics like Jihad Jeeps are a valid way to help your team. Isk Efficiency would be a far better metric by which to measure the worth of a mercenary, it is a direct display of return on investment. Mercenary A inflicted X damage on your enemy for Y investment, Y = 5% of X, that is a mercenary you want to invest in. Mercenary B inflicted V damage on your enemy for W investment, W = 500% of V, is that someone you really want to hire again? Mercenary A might've died 23 times, but still managed to inflict the damage they did efficiently by intelligent use of resources. Mercenary B might've died once, but made your opponent suffer far less than the amount of Isk you invested would've led you to believe that they would've. KDR < Isk Efficiency. yah yah yah, lots of irrelevent crap that post is becuase isk efficiany is a stat dumbass and scuiciding yoruself over and over again for literally ZERO net gain is dumb especially since the effort required to do this over and over again isnt really worth any potential enjoyment you may initially recieve its high effort, low reward, and effort to reward ratio is ALSO a stat i never said KDR, and i was never refering to KDR, hilariously enough i was refering to isk efficiancy and effort efficiancy Please point out where exactly Isk Efficiency is tracked? I mean, KDR is thrown in your face at the end of the match, but where is the Isk Efficiency for the match tracked? Please, I'd love to see where this is because I've been looking for it since closed beta. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 952	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:06:00 - [30] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Please point out where exactly Isk Efficiency is tracked? I mean, KDR is thrown in your face at the end of the match, but where is the Isk Efficiency for the match tracked? Please, I'd love to see where this is because I've been looking for it since closed beta. its called doing math in your head, i hear they teach that in 2nd grade. are you seriously going to attempt to argue with me without either of us having anything to argue over? they call that an argument for arguments sake please dont assume im an idiot, becuase im not, and hilariously enough your arguing against someone who agrees with you, and as such are arguing with yourself so please stop.



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