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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:29:00 -
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.....a NATURAL 10% or 15% HEAT REDUCTION as a buff?
Considering the Amarr Assault will loose its 25% Laser weaponry HEAT SINK?
Discuss.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:47:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:Honestly the reason I never thought the scrambler was OP was because the Amarr assualt is required to really make the scrambler shine (suit/weapon synergy) if the scrambler inherently had the bonus it would be OP.
but its not the same 25% the Amarr Assault has.
Its only 10% or 15%.
IMO the amarr assault should just keep it....
But in the case the A.Assault looses it, the Suit/weapon synergy you talk about will be lost....
Where does that leave the SCR RIFLE.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:49:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:No.
I say this as a proficiency 5 user who used it on a non-Amarr assault for a very long time.
Also, these changes aren't 'set in stone'. Although that doesn't mean much with CCP, wait and see.
We are talking about ALL scr rifle, not just damage modded,Prof 5, Viziam ones on proto suits
>..>
Mah fren.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:No.
I say this as a proficiency 5 user who used it on a non-Amarr assault for a very long time.
Also, these changes aren't 'set in stone'. Although that doesn't mean much with CCP, wait and see. We are talking about ALL scr rifle, not just damage modded,Prof 5, Viziam ones on proto suits >..> Mah fren. I often use the templar SCR without any damage mods on militia suits. So no, I still don't agree. I think the bonus should stay on the suit. But applying even part of it inherently would be very, very powerful.
Well i agree with you, it SHOULD STAY ON THE SUIT.
But if it doesnt then what?
Its not like im proposing a 25% heat reduction buff, its only 10-15%
PLUS, you are a SKILLED SCR user, you need to think of the ''not so skilled'' players.
Its like saying , oh yeah, ''Viktor and Lea silencio can go 30+ with a Templar SCR rifle in STD suits''
ITS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING XD
Thats the player that needs a nerf X)
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:05:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:If they take away suit bonus meh maybe idk perhaps. I do enjoy the Amarr and his weapon though hopefully they keep the bonus. On a side note Amarr assualt, viziam scrambler and modded controller is crazy OP and fun y'all should try it.
Ima a true Amarr and have honor.
I dont use Modded controllers.
But ty anyways.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4361
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:16:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:No, because it is relevant mechanic.
It was balanced before, the fact that suit no longer unbalances it, is not reason to permanently unbalance it.
WHAT? The Amarr suit does not unbalance it. It barely makes it 100% Functional. (ANd after level 4+)
AND STILL, all rifles can unload the WHOLE CLIP on (for example) a HEAVY with 1400+ EHP and kill him while the SCR rifle CANT.
STILL YOu cant kill 3-4 guys in a row with the SCR rifle , LIKE ALL THE OTHER RIFLES CAN.
And STILL have the insane Fitting requirements, crappy sight and overheat mechanic.
What is this unbalance you are talking about? the ONLY good feature the SCR has? the Charged shot?
You want balance? I want the Six Kin and Boundless CR to have 20PG Fitting requirement.
NOW THATS balance...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4363
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:27:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I'm glad you lowered your request. Earlier you were saying 50%? One thing I think though is it should only get two of those charged shots, reguardless of any buff. In the hands of a few of you it would just be too dangerous. But the single shots on the charge variant should be higher. I used this as my one of my mains during the war. It's too few shots when you're outnumbered and cornered. And then the fukkin thing kills you while you're defending yourself
Well the 50% Heat buid-up reduction ON CHARGED SHOTS , but heat increase in quick shots didnt please the community very much.so im trying a different angle here .... XD
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4363
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:29:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:.....a NATURAL 10% or 15% HEAT REDUCTION as a buff?
Considering the Amarr Assault will loose its 25% Laser weaponry HEAT SINK?
Discuss.
i agree the Amarr assault SHOULD KEEP THE BONUS, this is in the case IT GETS REMOVED. please stop saying: ''i think the AA should keep the bonus''.
WELL OF COURSE, but thats not what im asking here...... read my sig bro
I already likes that S/**** a like a while ago, what else do you want from me.?
TELL ME!?
D':
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4364
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:40:00 -
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Squagga wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Squagga wrote:I'm glad you lowered your request. Earlier you were saying 50%? One thing I think though is it should only get two of those charged shots, reguardless of any buff. In the hands of a few of you it would just be too dangerous. But the single shots on the charge variant should be higher. I used this as my one of my mains during the war. It's too few shots when you're outnumbered and cornered. And then the fukkin thing kills you while you're defending yourself Well the 50% Heat buid-up reduction ON CHARGED SHOTS , but heat increase in quick shots didnt please the community very much.so im trying a different angle here .... XD Oh no I am not signing up for that. No more charged shots for you! You little fukkers got me on edge every time I hear that noise. Honestly though I like that it does that to me
D:
But, charged shot is the only true reason to USE the SCR Rifle D':
Cant you see a STD Combat Rifle hits harder than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per R1 button press?
(STD CR : 32 x 3 = 96 per R1 Press / / Viziam SCR RIFLE : 79.5 per R1 Press // CR has higher RoF and No Overheat)
If you limit the Chargted shot , there really is no reason to use a SCR over a CR IMO u.u
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:51:00 -
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Squagga wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Squagga wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Squagga wrote:I'm glad you lowered your request. Earlier you were saying 50%? One thing I think though is it should only get two of those charged shots, reguardless of any buff. In the hands of a few of you it would just be too dangerous. But the single shots on the charge variant should be higher. I used this as my one of my mains during the war. It's too few shots when you're outnumbered and cornered. And then the fukkin thing kills you while you're defending yourself Well the 50% Heat buid-up reduction ON CHARGED SHOTS , but heat increase in quick shots didnt please the community very much.so im trying a different angle here .... XD Oh no I am not signing up for that. No more charged shots for you! You little fukkers got me on edge every time I hear that noise. Honestly though I like that it does that to me D: But, charged shot is the only true reason to USE the SCR Rifle D':Cant you see a STD Combat Rifle hits harder than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per R1 button press? ( STD CR : 32 x 3 = 96 per R1 Press / / Viziam SCR RIFLE : 79.5 per R1 Press // CR has higher RoF and No Overheat) If you limit the Chargted shot , there really is no reason to use a SCR over a CR IMO u.u I'll give you guys respect for being able to use that charged shot in the middle of it all but no. I just don't agree that you need more than those two
Ok... u.u
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4365
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:04:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Please stop with the bold, it's just irritating to look at.
Personally I think the Amarr assault should keep it's bonus, it's a good application of a bonus to a suit that creates synergy with it's intended weapons. To be honest, all other assault suits should have different bonuses other than straight RoF because it creates very bland, uncreative fits.
Amarr: 5% per level reduction to heat build of laser weapons
Caldari: 5% per level increase to range of hybrid weapons
Gallente: 5% per level reduction to hybrid weapon hipfire spread
Minmatar: 5% per level increase to clip and max ammo of projectile weapons
*BAM* You now have four bonuses that helps each race do what it's supposed to do best while creating variety between the races instead of everybody just getting an increase to RoF. Boring!
1- I cant stop with the bold, i like it , i dont care what people think of it, i need it to find my posts faster.
2-Thats what i even SAY in the OP. Tht the AA needs to keep its bonus, IN THE CASE IT LOOSES IT, should the weapon be buffed? thats the question.
3- I like your bonuses , +1.
Overally , you didnt answer my question:
If the A.Assault looses its bonus, should the SCR rifle get a 10 or 15% Heat buildup reduction as a bonus?
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:13:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Overally , you didnt answer my question:
If the A.Assault looses its bonus, should the SCR rifle get a 10 or 15% Heat buildup reduction as a bonus?
The scrambler rifle (I think) was engineered with it cooperating with the amarr assault bonus to make it reach it's full potential but preventing it from becoming OP. If the amarr assault bonus is removed and nothing else offers a reduction to heat buildup with laser weapons then I think it needs to be adjusted slightly to improve performance, especially when it and the plasma rifle (assault rifle) are being largely over shadowed by the CR and RR. Basically the scrambler rifle is loosing performance if it looses the current amarr assault bonus so it deserves a boost in the form of reduced heat buildup.
Couldnt have said it myself better.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:25:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Joel II X wrote:
Prefer the RoF bonus on the Gallente to make the Plasma Rifle the best assault variant.
The Gallente are supposed to be the best CQC fighters, so give them bonuses that focus on that (hipfire spread). If you want crazy RoF then go Minmatar.
Im gonna be honest this whole thread is a little biased, since i have Lv4 Amarr assault and still manage to overheat my SCR RIFLES pretty often (i abuse the Charged shot , but just a little) im scared that without the bonus i might be useless.. :|
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:29:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Don't miss...
Well i dont.
But the thing is, SOMETIMES, i have no other option than face 2 or more enemies at the same time....Even without a miss....
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:44:00 -
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echo47 wrote:No the suit should lose the bonus. I would rather see a heat sink module that reduces heat build up, along with that a ROF increase module for CR and a module that increases range for the RR and AR. I would choose a heat sink module over a damage mod everytime with the scrambler rifle or lazor. I also do not like having to use a girly Amarr suit to get the bonus.
Your HEAT SINK module only F's us AMARR over even MORE.
Because of our LOW SLOT COUNT, all other races could use our SCR more effectively than we could ....
Anything for an Amarr that involves Modules , is crap. we have the LEAST Slots !
(yeah, we dont want the new armor rep bonus. Its stupid CCP)
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:45:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:The SCR has a drawback, and you want to remove the drawback...why? 
Because the SCR has more than ONE Drawback.
So the least they can do is reducing one of them.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:24:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I don't know why you guys are losing your bonus, or what else we're losing. I tend not to read any of these things until they actually come out, a defense mechanism I've developed with CCP. I don't know why we don't all get racial bonuses for using the guns of our race. It just makes sense. For instance I should get a bigger cod piece for using a RR
Well its in the Assumption Amarr Assault WOULD loose the Bonus thats all. Tahts what im asking after all.
Quote:ANON CERBERUS:
The last thing the scrambler needs is any buffs. However the suit bonus is being taken away from the Amarr Assault right? Humm you should get something on another suit maybe? I dont know.
I think the Scram, RR and CR are easily the 3 most powerful rifles right now.
Well there are only 4 rifles XD
For us Amarr loyalists, getting something on ANOTHER suit does not work too well.....
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:38:00 -
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Squagga wrote:Oh .. it just dawned on me at this moment why you've been making all these threads about it. Didn't really make sense before. It's because you guys are going to lose that bonus. Well you know how I feel. I'll support you on the part I said I would
Yeah.
CCP thinks is the best of ideas to remove the 5% reduction in Heat buildup bonus for a miserable 5% armor repair module efficiency per level.
JUNK.
This is all i have to say.
JUNK.
Again, any bonus that involves Modules, unless it reaches a 100% efficiency or something, DOES NOT WORK on the Assault suit with LESS SLOTS.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 02:18:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I want to say no to give the Pistol a standing chance.
I mean modded controllers with proto amarr are already a pretty big thorn. I honestly think that at level one, the scrambler rifle heat build up is fair.
Modded controller is a problem CCP needs to Fix. BUT ITS NOT a balancing issue.
So because some dudes cant use the SCR without Modded controllers? regular DS3 players need to suffer?
BULL.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2014.02.04 02:19:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:
Says the slave runner lol
they are not slaves, more like, new family.
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