Balance is impossible.

If you take tanks down a peg, while buffing AV, then they go back to being pi+¦atas.
If you keep them as they are, AV is relatively ineffective.

Now, that seems pretty simple to fix, either buff AV or take tanks down a bit.

Problems occur when you look toward the future, in particular webifiers/stasis grenades and pilot suits. Balancing for things that may not come out for months or years, heck decades, means you either have to change things again when those things come out, or leave imbalance. And what do we do if pilot suits come out tomorrow, but webs take 6 months? 6 months of super vehicle modules, or nerf them into the ground, creating another giant SP sink.

Even then, modules aren't exclusively for tanks, so balancing for LAVs, DSs, and ADSs comes into play. Course, you could just mess with tanks CPU/PG or health or whatever, but then you gimp people just starting out, as if they already weren't.

Movement speed, well, I think speed tanking on vehicles needs to become a real thing, just as it needs to have a purpose on suits again. This game has a speed mechanic, but it has been sorely neglected since Uprising.

Tanks - Balancing turrets

That's a start.

I don't think it's as easy as saying, oh we need webs to slow them down or let's reduce speed so we can better kill them. So you want tanks to move as slow as infantry? Because currently they don't move that incredibly fast. They used to move like bricks btw.

Why is it SOOO important that you KILL a tank? Duh because tank spam hello. Well fellas, doesn't that sound like a separate issue.

Did you know, a MLT tank fit will only run you about 60K. Do you think that maybe the blaster is too efficient at killing infantry, while being nearly impossible to take down. And what does it matter when a tank costs 60K a pop. Get 10 kills with it, and it's already done the job of 10 suits.

Does it really seem like a good idea, to put a infantry killing large turret, on a tank. Infantry suits don't even come close to comparing with a tank. Why is it that a tank isn't some how hampered against infantry if he chooses a turret that kills infantry.

I mean come on guys, you hate ALL tanks. Do you understand what a railgun is or missiles? You are all looking at this THE WRONG WAY. Your issues with tanks are very specific, but you still choose broad changes that negatively affect the other tank types of which you DON'T have a problem with.

Another thread to check out Tanks - A real balance thread

other people have clued in what we need. Communication. We need a way to communicate without voice comms because not everyone has a mic.

Dropships are balanced.

High maneuverability and damage potential (missiles) are balanced by instability and low health. Every for of AV aside from grenades threaten dropships in one way or another effectively. I am worried that any "balancing" done to AV due to tanks will be harmful to dropships, so please think holistically about proposed changes.

I'm curious about whether or not people actually realise that HAVs are supposed to be effective against infantry, or if they realise that rails can also take out infantry or that missiles are incredibly potent anti-infantry weapons, or are people just on the good **** and blind as ****? People aren't seeking balance anymore they're just rattling off bullshit because they're angry.

By the way this is coming from a mostly infantry player.

Well, I'm just concerned that the only way to take out a tank is with other tanks. I beleive reducing vehicle acerleration will make them more succeptible to conentrated AV attacks.

1 guy with AV is meh vs tanks. but 4 guys with AV can WTF PWN tanks. problems is you get 4 guys with AV in an area where a tank is and the tank just drives away at light speed and you nt do anything about it...


yes, in RL tanks can do that. but also in RL infantry anti vehicular weapons can kill tanks in one shot and helicopters can kill tanks as well. sine this obviously isnt happening in dust, something else must be done to make tanks feel like tanks but make AV feel like AV and not wasted SP

my only suggestion is nerfing their initial movement speed to make escaping harder.


Any nerf to their shields, armor, ammo, etc would ruin them.
Any buff to dropship weaponry although much needed could cause other unforseen issues (dropships however are still easy to down).
Any buff to AV would put us right back at the start of 1.6.

So, what can be done that won't undue the tank buff but balance them?

Sorry if I come across as somewhat frustrated about the matter but here's the thing, real life or not tanks are supposed to be effective against infantry. When a tank shows up infantry are supposed to hide. Now here's the thing about tank speed, we need a more direct way, as infantry, of dealing with it. A stasis Webifier of some sort would suffice, perhaps a grenade variant that creates a short term stasis field and a more powerful sustainable module to fit on a vehicle that would slow down another vehicle's speed (including turret rotation), but requires a lock on and can only be used on other vehicles.

Now, I personally don't believe that a single person on foot should be able to take out a tank without some creativity on the person's part, or in my case Wiyrkomi Swarms and EX-11 Packed AV, (MLT tanks should be easier to deal with with lower level AV btw), but the problem is that people seem to think that tanks should only be effective against other tanks, at which point, you might as well take tanks out of the game entirely. Tanks are supposed to be the faces of near impenetrable walls or nigh unstoppable assaults, but they're not indestructible. That said, the current modules need to be toned down as well as retiered for something other than cooldown time. MLT tanks also need to be weaker naturally than standard.

They are also other issues which need to be addressed such as the map designers changing their direction so that the redline ceases to be a problem. Actual physical barriers need to be put in place to prevent shooting into and out of the redline, to stop redline tankers. I've seen assault dropships, our "helicopters" (which in my opinion by definition of being a dropship should not have a weapon bonus) take out tanks but only outside of the redline.

One of the problems is people try to come up with the simplest short term solutions but don't realise that there could be unneccessary consequences to some of their solutions. Rather than slow down vehicle acceleration use the opportunity to add something else to the arsenal of infantry, something that would slow down tanks.

Sorry if I come across as somewhat frustrated about the matter but here's the thing, real life or not tanks are supposed to be effective against infantry. When a tank shows up infantry are supposed to hide. Now here's the thing about tank speed, we need a more direct way, as infantry, of dealing with it. A stasis Webifier of some sort would suffice, perhaps a grenade variant that creates a short term stasis field and a more powerful sustainable module to fit on a vehicle that would slow down another vehicle's speed (including turret rotation), but requires a lock on and can only be used on other vehicles.

Now, I personally don't believe that a single person on foot should be able to take out a tank without some creativity on the person's part, or in my case Wiyrkomi Swarms and EX-11 Packed AV, (MLT tanks should be easier to deal with with lower level AV btw), but the problem is that people seem to think that tanks should only be effective against other tanks, at which point, you might as well take tanks out of the game entirely. Tanks are supposed to be the faces of near impenetrable walls or nigh unstoppable assaults, but they're not indestructible. That said, the current modules need to be toned down as well as retiered for something other than cooldown time. MLT tanks also need to be weaker naturally than standard.

They are also other issues which need to be addressed such as the map designers changing their direction so that the redline ceases to be a problem. Actual physical barriers need to be put in place to prevent shooting into and out of the redline, to stop redline tankers. I've seen assault dropships, our "helicopters" (which in my opinion by definition of being a dropship should not have a weapon bonus) take out tanks but only outside of the redline.

One of the problems is people try to come up with the simplest short term solutions but don't realise that there could be unneccessary consequences to some of their solutions. Rather than slow down vehicle acceleration use the opportunity to add something else to the arsenal of infantry, something that would slow down tanks.