another post saying balance everything else not just one thing. you balance what is out of line not everything else. it is easier to change one thing then everything else around it, and in most cases is more effective.

It's a shame this all started due to people upset with logis topping the leaderboards and their ability to kill. What are we to do? Twiddle our thumbs once the ammo has been restocked and the heavies been repped? I will still pursue this class but the short sightedness of the community can severely hamper and change mechanics of this game that should not be touched.

I chose logi because I could help my team and kill. The latter is training that came first. Our class shouldn't be changed because folks don't think we do our jobs. Perhaps they are not doing theirs? I really haven't met a logibro who specifically specced into the class to just horde WPs or load his dropsuit with equipment that is only used by him. Our uplinks, nanohives, armor nanohives, scans and reps have helped changed the tide of war more than once without much thank yous. And we continue to do our jobs without the need for the gratitude. 98% enjoy assisting their team while helping them slay the enemies that lay before them.

Enjoyed reading your OP.

I saw one post suggesting that suits get a bonus to their racial weapon, this would be a great bonus for the assaults, it would give them that edge over the logi suits, and give actual meaning into what race you chose to play, much like the upcoming change to the logi suits where we get a bonus to our racial equipment.

The coward Caldari could sit at a safe distance and plink away at everything.
The space **** loving Aamar could continue to have laser light show raves (LR still needs to be fixed and brought back to a useful weapon), and scrambler discos.
It could actually bring the short sighted Gallente (4 eyes joke) AR back into its intended blaster role.
The mighty Minmatar could still be great with the whole hit and run game.

It would be a better bonus than a blanket ROF increase for the assault suits (increased ROF + ACR anyone?) and would make them better slayers with their respective weapons.

It would also help to curb this plague of MLT heavy frames with proto RR stuff that we see going on, because the assaults would get a bonus to their racial weapons, and make them more appealing to players that just want to run assault.

uh, no.. the goal should be to make logistics suits STAY THE **** out of combat!!

Do you know what the definition of a "support" role is, in pretty much any other game?

A "support" role, is a role which "supports" other players who do the actual killing.

If a logi is getting a majority of its points... or even just a significant fraction of its points... from killing.. then it isnt particularly fitting a support role.

Similarly, if most logi players are getting a large chunk of their points from killing, then there is something wrong with the design of the suit.

Hopefully, the changes coming in 1.8 will fix the current design flaws.

something like cooldown and heat building for amarr, increased rate of fire for caldari, increase range for gallente, and...idk what for minmatar, I'm basing this off of weapon weaknesses and I've never found something wrong with minnie weapons lol, wider blast radius? Tighter spread? Reload speed or max ammo?.

How did you make the conclusion that the Logi Repair bonus = 2 complex armor repair modules?

Or did you mean STD/ADV?

BUMP! Devs please read this and take these guys ideas into consideration, there are a lot of good ideas and some serious thought in their posts. Its a nice refreshing change to see on these forums.

I would personally like to see an increase in max ammo per mag/clip as a Minmatar bonus, with all of our natural high ROF weapons (CR, SMG, Flaylock, HMG, (Not so much the mass driver lol can you imagine a 400 RPM AMD lmao)) an increased clip size would help out a lot in an engaged firefight against something with higher individual strike damage. It could make Minmatar weapons totally OP though, would have to be done carefully.

Reload speed aside from the HMG could be OP because the CR has around 2.5 or something (I don't have the game sitting in front of me right now) as it is, so 25% faster reload speed from the skill, and then another 25% lets say for arguments sake from the assault bonus would bring reload down to 1.25 sec, why switch weapons when it takes that long to switch anyway?

Tighter spread...The CR and SMG already have those skills in their own trees, so again stacking that on could kind of break the game in the sense that the weapons could be far too accurate from hip fire.

Edit: Blast radius, maybe not because we don't want the flaylock and MD to become the primary OP fire and forget weapons that they used to be.

Although the bonus to damage modifier % per level would still be an alright one considering that our assaults are the hit and run specialists, 1 complex mod would in effect turn into 1 complex and one basic at lvl 5.

Perhaps a bonus to shield regeneration or regen delay since again we are the hit and run specialists? It would allow the assault to get into cover, get the shields back, and get back into another fight. It's not like were regenerating our shields at 35/pulse like the current Caldari assaults. I believe that we max out with the current skill bonus at around 25/pulse, and have far lower shielding than the Cal assault.

Even a blanket kind of movement speed increase (Movement and sprint) per level for the Minmatar Assault would be helpful for our hit and run style, and give our assaults an actual fighting chance to pull it off. (Even matching the minni scout speed at lvl 5 would be alright since we have a larger hit box, profile, lower scan precision and only 2 lows at proto level.)


Edit 2: I'll be dropping a hacking mod from my Logi and replacing it with an armor rep since my scout will be getting the hacking bonus, and that armor rep has saved my ass many a time while running for cover after repping a guy who doesn't even realize I'm there and thus doesn't defend me. (CCP BRING BACK THAT ORANGE GLOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING REPPED SO PEOPLE KNOW!!!!!)

I just meant total ammo, not in the clip, but that's boring and clip size would be better if done carefully, but yeah I didn't think about instead of a weapon bonus having something that makes the suits more capable, faster self repair or more speed would be great.

How did you make the conclusion that the Logi Repair bonus = 2 complex armor repair modules?

Or did you mean STD/ADV?

All weapons already have ammo capacity, but wouldn't it be cool to have 600 in reserve for the CR and SMG lol Supply depot? Pffft, who needs it.

Fun to read post, but I don't think you get the point.

I used the TAC AR because I wanted a long range damage dealing platform, I didn't know it's OP.
That's pretty much the logi situation in a nutshell.
The nerfs are necessary.