DUST Search - Why Hate The Sniper? ~We're Useful Too!

CRNWLLC wrote:

I love the sniper hate, especially coming from players that insists snipers are not GÇ£team playersGÇ¥, that they donGÇÖt contribute meaningfully to the teamGÇÖs performance. More than a few of these same players, when theyGÇÖre on my team and see me sniping, will stand in my way and shoot at meGÇöyou know who you are. HELLA TEAM SPIRIT. (BTW, they GÇ£see me snipingGÇ¥ because I always drop uplinks, like a GÇ£team playerGÇ¥.)

There are different play styles. Not every player prefers the same style, nor are we all meant to play the sameGÇöthatGÇÖs why there are different roles to fill, different maps, etc.

Here are the most common GÇ£I hate snipersGÇ¥ arguments, along with explanations of why theyGÇÖre stupid:

1.Snipers donGÇÖt contribute. Really? And when did you become a Dust general, master of the battlefield, and all-around wartime statistician? ItGÇÖs a gameGÇöanother playerGÇÖs fun has nothing to do with anyoneGÇÖs notions of GÇ£contributionGÇ¥. Also, if itGÇÖs so important, anyone can take an active leadership role and start recruiting/guiding mercs that they think are GÇ£doing it wrongGÇ¥. Then again, anyone that whines as much as most sniper haters is likely not cut out for leadership. I guess being 1/16 of a team, but account for 10%+ of the kills and 0 deaths isnGÇÖt contributingGÇª Roll

2.There are only 5 good snipers in Dust. Well, how can anyone get better unless they play as a sniper? Additionally, if a player is great at sniping and gives a crap about teamplay/GÇ£winningGÇ¥ a match, then doesnGÇÖt it seem like that player would train into another style, to be more versatile and responsive to changing situations?
3.The player that prefers teammates to GÇ£have gone 0/11 and been consistently hacking objectives and providing logi supportGÇ¥, is probably not considering that these same teammates are getting killed to death in the midst of hacking and supporting, and likely just trying to get across the map. Ie, theyGÇÖre not very helpful. Remember: taking objectives only wins two formats of gameplay (domination and skirmish), but cloning wins them all. So, IGÇÖd argue that teaming with dudes that rain death like the hot fire is preferable to teaming with dudes that are hyper GÇ£goalGÇ¥-focused. CanGÇÖt recall all the times MCC health has been neck-and-neck, only to lose the match because the other team is up 80+ clones to our 0.
4.ItGÇÖs unfairGÇöcanGÇÖt shoot back at a sniper. You most certainly canGÇöget in a scout suit and hunt the sniper down, or find a higher perch and countersnipe, or get in a DS and crush him. Alternatively, equip a heavy suit, spawn near where the sniper got you, and dance around, tanking the occasional bullet while homing in on the sniperGÇÖs perch (follow the arrow/ring thingy that flashes when you take damage), swap fittings, and head that-a-way. There are numerous ways to get back at a sniper and each one improves a different style of play. So, arguments of unfairness really just amount to whining about the need to improve. Find better cover. Learn the map better. Play with your fittings. And STFU.
5.Redline snipers are wussies. Maybe so, but my mom says IGÇÖm brave. In any case, a DS has considerable reach behind the enemyGÇÖs redline. Use this to your advantage. Also, both teams have a redline, so this point is moot.

Now that IGÇÖm done ranting, I want to discuss a tactic that runs contrary to current doctrine, but that IGÇÖve found can be quite useful:

Conventional wisdom says to drop uplinks and nanohives away from your perch. The rational behind this tactic is entirely sound, the issue is that, in practice, there are only a handful of truly GÇ£invisibleGÇ¥ sniping spots (at least that IGÇÖve found). TheyGÇÖre not on every map and they are rarer than unicorn farts. NEVER DROP A NANOHIVE OR UPLINK IN YOUR OWN PRIVATE IDAHO. However, considering that there are a plethora of GÇ£very goodGÇ¥ spots, and many of them are either somewhat open to certain angles or on top of towers, dropped uplinks and nanohives can provide visual GÇ£noiseGÇ¥ that makes it harder for countersnipers to do their jobs. If youGÇÖre sitting on a nest of hives/links, your little red chevron is going to be MUCH harder for your opponent to pick out.


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Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 88	Posted - 2014.02.03 18:26:00 - [1] - Quote Atim, i wish i had a sniper like you who thought this way. We have decent snipers, and one in particular who's a beast won't name names, but most are selfish and sadly useless?! They are in some remote location shooting who they can hit, and can't seem to ever hit what you need hit. What your saying actually does help, but we only need one per squad max. That's two snipers, on comms, working together, giving feedback, and hitting the guys I need hit. holding down alpha point in the open on the pipes map isn't skill, though useful it is, a newb can do it. I want skill snipers catching tankers before they mount, dropping the wing-man of the heavy or the heavy himself, and making my jaw drop when they finish a guy not 5 ft from me as he was about to drop me when i was reloading( pause for the cause: shoutout to my man freissah who actually did that in a pub, and he's pretty newbish). You seem like the sniper of my dreams bro, but to many of them are too calm when were getting annihilated, too many of them is just as bad as having too many tanks, and too many will not get in the mud with you?! You can request ground support til the sun goes down, and never see those guys come down?! Don't want them in squad?! Some maps have no use for snipers as well. Like the science lab map with the underground point. I need jarheads with a knack for knife fights in phone booths, but all too often i get k/d huggers who get b****ed out by the heavies?! I think what we want is that sniper who feels our pain on the ground, and then takes that feedback into the hills. Now he knows what i need! I always suggest to guys who say they snipe to run ground. Most will say "oh naw bro i snipe", and if you ask his k/dr he's quick to bragg it up.That one sniper who you didn't even know sniped until his name hit the kill feed with a charged, is the guy i want! He is also a jack of all trades like me, and a comrade! I think, in this game in particular, snipers need a second dependable specialty that will earn them stripes. For instance i run assault, but with tanks running rampant my guys almost exspect me to rackle them now. If snipers would come down and get dirty dropping tanks, or keeping them off of us, they would earn a lot more status in my opinion. Sniper/anti armor sounds a lot better, and a lot more useful than sniper?! Or dedicated sniper/scout! Nobody even knows where you are! Get home point back bro lol! Become that spare troop to get odd stuff done, and we can then justify the lack of dirt on your dropsuit ::) "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 92	Posted - 2014.02.03 19:38:00 - [2] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: I love the sniper hate, especially coming from players that insists snipers are not GÇ£team playersGÇ¥, that they donGÇÖt contribute meaningfully to the teamGÇÖs performance. More than a few of these same players, when theyGÇÖre on my team and see me sniping, will stand in my way and shoot at meGÇöyou know who you are. HELLA TEAM SPIRIT. (BTW, they GÇ£see me snipingGÇ¥ because I always drop uplinks, like a GÇ£team playerGÇ¥.) There are different play styles. Not every player prefers the same style, nor are we all meant to play the sameGÇöthatGÇÖs why there are different roles to fill, different maps, etc. Here are the most common GÇ£I hate snipersGÇ¥ arguments, along with explanations of why theyGÇÖre stupid: 1.Snipers donGÇÖt contribute. Really? And when did you become a Dust general, master of the battlefield, and all-around wartime statistician? ItGÇÖs a gameGÇöanother playerGÇÖs fun has nothing to do with anyoneGÇÖs notions of GÇ£contributionGÇ¥. Also, if itGÇÖs so important, anyone can take an active leadership role and start recruiting/guiding mercs that they think are GÇ£doing it wrongGÇ¥. Then again, anyone that whines as much as most sniper haters is likely not cut out for leadership. I guess being 1/16 of a team, but account for 10%+ of the kills and 0 deaths isnGÇÖt contributingGÇª 2.There are only 5 good snipers in Dust. Well, how can anyone get better unless they play as a sniper? Additionally, if a player is great at sniping and gives a crap about teamplay/GÇ£winningGÇ¥ a match, then doesnGÇÖt it seem like that player would train into another style, to be more versatile and responsive to changing situations? 3.The player that prefers teammates to GÇ£have gone 0/11 and been consistently hacking objectives and providing logi supportGÇ¥, is probably not considering that these same teammates are getting killed to death in the midst of hacking and supporting, and likely just trying to get across the map. Ie, theyGÇÖre not very helpful. Remember: taking objectives only wins two formats of gameplay (domination and skirmish), but cloning wins them all. So, IGÇÖd argue that teaming with dudes that rain death like the hot fire is preferable to teaming with dudes that are hyper GÇ£goalGÇ¥-focused. CanGÇÖt recall all the times MCC health has been neck-and-neck, only to lose the match because the other team is up 80+ clones to our 0. 4.ItGÇÖs unfairGÇöcanGÇÖt shoot back at a sniper. You most certainly canGÇöget in a scout suit and hunt the sniper down, or find a higher perch and countersnipe, or get in a DS and crush him. Alternatively, equip a heavy suit, spawn near where the sniper got you, and dance around, tanking the occasional bullet while homing in on the sniperGÇÖs perch (follow the arrow/ring thingy that flashes when you take damage), swap fittings, and head that-a-way. There are numerous ways to get back at a sniper and each one improves a different style of play. So, arguments of unfairness really just amount to whining about the need to improve. Find better cover. Learn the map better. Play with your fittings. And STFU. 5.Redline snipers are wussies. Maybe so, but my mom says IGÇÖm brave. In any case, a DS has considerable reach behind the enemyGÇÖs redline. Use this to your advantage. Also, both teams have a redline, so this point is moot. Now that IGÇÖm done ranting, I want to discuss a tactic that runs contrary to current doctrine, but that IGÇÖve found can be quite useful: Conventional wisdom says to drop uplinks and nanohives away from your perch. The rational behind this tactic is entirely sound, the issue is that, in practice, there are only a handful of truly GÇ£invisibleGÇ¥ sniping spots (at least that IGÇÖve found). TheyGÇÖre not on every map and they are rarer than unicorn farts. NEVER DROP A NANOHIVE OR UPLINK IN YOUR OWN PRIVATE IDAHO. However, considering that there are a plethora of GÇ£very goodGÇ¥ spots, and many of them are either somewhat open to certain angles or on top of towers, dropped uplinks and nanohives can provide visual GÇ£noiseGÇ¥ that makes it harder for countersnipers to do their jobs. If youGÇÖre sitting on a nest of hives/links, your little red chevron is going to be MUCH harder for your opponent to pick out. I will agree with all of yournpoints for the sake of argument, and to a large degree your right. I just simply don't have the time to waste hunting one guy?! I will assign a counter sniper, who is clearly not leaving the redline, to the task of finding you. My ground troops are to precious to break off and hunt the invisible. I can see the enemy in front of me so that I will deal with. your the sniper we're NOT complaining about. You understand your team contribution is needed. The guys who go 6/0 300 wp! He's useless! If I call out a sniper angle, and get no confirmed kill? He needs to come on down, and get his AR out lol! Just like you watch us, and say "oh for crying out loud, it's clear! HACK IT BLUEBERRY!" We rage when the opposing sniper is in the kill feed wreaking havok, telegraghing his shots that even I can see, and I got 4 snipers all claiming cataracts?! The good snipers are not being targeted with our rage guys, it's the ones that have the baddest infantry killing cannon made, and don't hit the critical targets?! They're oppurtunistically hitting scouts in the open while the heavies at bravo are playing with our entrails lol! Just like you guys rage when the blueberry assualt guy runs pass a blinking objective like he never saw it, ask you for a miracle shot that is impossible from your angle, or he keeps doing a host of dumb non strategic things that make you go "what tha?!". We're complaining about the guys who have no business anywhere near a sniper rifle.... or a potato gun for that matter?! "Anybody order chaos?"