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Squagga The State Protectorate 117	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote Some of you that have been around long enough, know that I'm a pretty dedicated AR guy. What you may not know is that I've skilled proficiency into all of the racial rifles. Simply because I enjoy that weapon as my main weapon. I am only listing the ADV rifles, because it should be just give or take for the basic or proto variants. Since everybody seems to have an opinion that some of these guns are OP or UP, I decided to write a little PSA on what, in my opinion, is the current state of these rifles. I don't by any means consider myself the best or the most knowledgeable, this is just my opinion. Also I've played this game longer than any other game I've ever played. GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle Damage 53.55 HP RoF 400.00 RPM Accuracy Rating 57.44 Clip Size 36 Max Ammo 300 Reload Time 3.00s It's odd what I'm about to say, because I used to use a breach all the time, full proto. A long time ago. Pretty much everybody did, it was the rifle to use at the time. I don't even know why this rifle is on the market. It's great when you're one on one but in the middle of a bigger fight or if you're going against multiple people alone, this rifle will not do. It simply lacks the ability to do enough damage over a period of time longer than a few seconds. GEK-38 Assault Rifle Damage 35.70 HP RoF 750.00 RPM Accuracy Rating 56.14 Clip Size 60 Max Ammo 300 Reload Time 3.00s This rifle is very well balanced. It can deal a significant amount of damage in CQ and is very effective at long range. There are two problems. 1) It is less powerfull than the other three (Cal,Min,Am) of it's equal class. 2) I feel as though the iron sights on this weapon hurt it from being able to deal damage when using ADS. The older iron sights were better. GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle Damage 32.13HP RoF 833.33 RPM Accuracy Rating 55.99 Clip Size 60 Max Ammo 300 Reload Time 3.00s This rifle is well balanced. It is however underpowered in considering the RS-90 combat rifle, which it is rivaling. I believe that higher RPMs would compensate for this. GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle Damage 74.97HP RoF 400.00RPM Accuracy Rating 47.43 Clip Size 18 Max Ammo 300 Reload Time 3.00s This weapon is well balanced CDR-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle Damage 37.80HP RoF 705.88RPM Accuracy Rating 57.73 Clip Size 72 Max Ammo 325 Reload Time 2.50s Heat Build up/s 15.00 Cooldown 9.00s Seize Duration 5.00s Feedback Damage 5.00HP This weapon is well balanced. I believe, however, that it should either have less feedback damage or have a slightly longer buildup/s. CRW-04 Scrambler Rilfe Damage 75.60HP RoF 705.88RPM Accuracy Rating 57.73 Clip Size 45 Max Ammo 225 Reload Time 2.50s Heat buildup/s 60.00 Cooldown 6.00s Seize Duration 5.00s Feedback Damage 50.00HP Charge Up Time 2.00s This rifle is FUN. It is unbalanced. I would like to say that it should get three charged shots before overheating, but I think that would make this weapon too dangerous in the wrong hands. I do however believe that less damage shoulder occur to the user. 30HP should be the max. Single shots however, are too few before the feedback damage hurts you. It's only 16 shots and then the seize causes damage to the operator. This is simply not enough considering how many shots you could/would need when out numbered. BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle Damage 22.00HP RoF 1200.00RPM Accuracy Rating 59.86 Clip Size 68 Max Ammo 408 Reload Time 2.60s This rifle is FUN. It is balanced RS-90 Combat Rifle Damage 33.60HP RoF 1200.00RPM Accuracy Rating 59.02 Clip Size 54 Max Ammo 324 Reload Time 2.60s This Rifle is balanced SB-39 Rail Rifle Damage 57.75HP Charge Up Time 0.25s RoF 461.54RPM Accuracy Rating 58.28 Clip Size 42 Max Ammo 252 Reload Time 3.20s This Rifle is balanced SL-4 Assault Rail Rifle Damage 45.04HP Charge Up Time .25s RoF 600.00RPM Accuracy Rating 58.35 Clip Size 42 Max Ammo 252 Reload Time 3.20s This Rifle is balanced Instead of "fixing" all of the new rifles, I believe that a few of the older ones should get a buff or changes made, to help them compete with some of the newer ones. Something to think about when you're in a gun fight. It's not always the rifle that is killing you. There are many factors that should be taken into consideration when reviewing a gun fight. Such as what loadout your opponent is using, your opponent may not be the only person shooting at you and vice versa, elevation and terrain, common lag, blue shielding, end game skill books, the skill of a player, the skill level of a player. Reloading, the silent killer.
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 69	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:26:00 - [2] - Quote Title made me think "Uh oh, some hoe's in trouble". Recruitment: https://dust514.com/recruit/Dk19AN/
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 337	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:31:00 - [3] - Quote message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1309	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:36:00 - [4] - Quote So, instead of fixing the new rifles, we buff the old ones and put a larger divide between the assault rifles and every other weapon? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 151	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol That Pretty Motherfucker
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 339	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:43:00 - [6] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol message from Godin: I've found that most people don't seem to understand to aim forthe head, and that means that that multiplier doesn't apply in most situations. So yes, the SCP is included in this.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 275	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:46:00 - [7] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: So, instead of fixing the new rifles, we buff the old ones and put a larger divide between the assault rifles and every other weapon? Like? The problems of the LR, MD, SR, and SG aren't due to the effectiveness of Rifles. 32db Mad Bomber.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1366	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:59:00 - [8] - Quote this is good for the most part i guess, but i have to disagree with some of it. the CRW-04 ScR is fine compared to other rifles. heat up, feedback damage, and everything. it's good for facing opponents one on one, and that's how it should be. the CRD-9 AScR is also good heat up-wise. you can get off a whole clip without overheating. how much more do you want? the burst AR is literally the worst rifle variant in the game. it's not balanced and does need a buff of some kind. otherwise, i can agree with this. Anime > EVERYTHING
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 819	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:00:00 - [9] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: So, instead of fixing the new rifles, we buff the old ones and put a larger divide between the assault rifles and every other weapon? Like? The problems of the LR, MD, SR, and SG aren't due to the effectiveness of Rifles. ttk IS though Nerf the combat rifle and rail rifle Not sure if the scrambler rifle needs a nerf or not as the overheat could balence it in 1.8
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 698	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:01:00 - [10] - Quote Check your rifle privilege.

Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 443	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:05:00 - [11] - Quote Who the hell are you? closed beta vet-E3 MAXIMUM ARMOR
Yelhsa Jin-Mao TheLostLegion 265	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:13:00 - [12] - Quote This thread needs more racism, OP is a banana munching, monkey faced, money pinching, slack jawwed, crooked nosed, lawn mowing, squinty eyed, kiddy fiddling, bum boy loving, son-of-a-*****. I can has ISK
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1309	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:30:00 - [13] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: So, instead of fixing the new rifles, we buff the old ones and put a larger divide between the assault rifles and every other weapon? Like? The problems of the LR, MD, SR, and SG aren't due to the effectiveness of Rifles. No, but they kill no where near ss effectively as the rifles for very small sacrifices. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3860	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:54:00 - [14] - Quote The RR is too good at CQC. Breach AR sucks against an equally skilled enemy. Any amount of lag.makes the Burst AR unusable. Yeah. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 644	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:05:00 - [15] - Quote Agreed that the rifles are pretty much balanced amongst themselves, but godin is right they are unbalanced as a group for the game and the niche weapons (except maybe the shotgun and sniper rifle). I've never tried the Breach AR but the tactical and burst variants are terrible compared to all the others. The burst always has been even before there were combat and rail rifles. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
virgindestroyer7 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 467	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:06:00 - [16] - Quote I guess I have a few questions about this. How do you feel the rifles compare to other guns? or do you not have points put into other things. How much SP have you invested in to SCr and RR?
Squagga The State Protectorate 119	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:41:00 - [17] - Quote virgindestroyer7 wrote: I guess I have a few questions about this. How do you feel the rifles compare to other guns? or do you not have points put into other things. How much SP have you invested in to SCr and RR? Well, someone who is really good at their main weapon is going to be ... well really good at their main weapon. Aside from AR users Annie Oakley II and Morathi III and I(not at the same time) Would look forward to going against eachother and send emails conversing about respect and a little bit about technique. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really like the challenge, as long as you make me work for it. I do have points put into a few other things and it's not that I don't respect the other weapons, I just really like the AR and feel that's the one I'm best at. I have proficiency 5 into both of those weapons and at least 3 or 4 into each of the three end game categories, reload, ammo. I can't say about those last two right off the top of my head Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 119	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:51:00 - [18] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Agreed that the rifles are pretty much balanced amongst themselves, but godin is right they are unbalanced as a group for the game and the niche weapons (except maybe the shotgun and sniper rifle). I've never tried the Breach AR but the tactical and burst variants are terrible compared to all the others. The burst always has been even before there were combat and rail rifles. I'm not so sure that I agree with youabout ARs being way more powerful than the other weapons. I've gone up against shotgunners and they either took me out or really made me work for it. Being an AR users isn't very creative I'll admit but I really feel as though a lot of people just don't spend enough time skilling sp and actual skills into the other weapons. So I think that it just seems that their under powered. I definately don't agree with you about the tactical and burst ARs. I'm probobly the last one to say that someone is using a modded controller, but I've had people come after me with the Douvalle Tactical or the Codewish and I was in some serious trouble. Again I'm not saying those people used modded controllers, I'm just saying it was one hell of a workout. Recently I've gone against people in pubs and they use that Combat rifle like it's their job. I genuinely believe the burst Gallente AR needs a buff for it to be as deadly as the combat rifle. Reloading, the silent killer.
virgindestroyer7 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 468	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:54:00 - [19] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Agreed that the rifles are pretty much balanced amongst themselves, but godin is right they are unbalanced as a group for the game and the niche weapons (except maybe the shotgun and sniper rifle). I've never tried the Breach AR but the tactical and burst variants are terrible compared to all the others. The burst always has been even before there were combat and rail rifles. There is the one person I've seen using the Breach AR lately, I -think- their name is AGENT LIBERTY but they use it very often. I always go .... 'waaaaaaa?' when i see it on the kill feed LOL
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1817	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:55:00 - [20] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol message from Godin: I've found that most people don't seem to understand to aim forthe head, and that means that that multiplier doesn't apply in most situations. So yes, the SCP is included in this. No. The ScP is NOT underpowered. The Standard ScP, with no damage mods, and no proficiency, can do 600+ DPS without any headshots. The Carthum Assault ScP can do 4000+ DPS with Prof. V, a few damage mods and headshots. Without all the extra multipliers, it does 773.81 DPS. That being said, it doesn't need a nerf. You practically need to get a few headshots to actually kill someone with it, this is what balances it. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response

Squagga The State Protectorate 121	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:04:00 - [21] - Quote virgindestroyer7 wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Agreed that the rifles are pretty much balanced amongst themselves, but godin is right they are unbalanced as a group for the game and the niche weapons (except maybe the shotgun and sniper rifle). I've never tried the Breach AR but the tactical and burst variants are terrible compared to all the others. The burst always has been even before there were combat and rail rifles. There is the one person I've seen using the Breach AR lately, I -think- their name is AGENT LIBERTY but they use it very often. I always go .... 'waaaaaaa?' when i see it on the kill feed LOL You were tellin me about that the other day. If someone is suing that rifle and being proficient, I think it's pretty cool Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 121	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:07:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol message from Godin: I've found that most people don't seem to understand to aim forthe head, and that means that that multiplier doesn't apply in most situations. So yes, the SCP is included in this. No. The ScP is NOT underpowered. The Standard ScP, with no damage mods, and no proficiency, can do 600+ DPS without any headshots. The Carthum Assault ScP can do 4000+ DPS with Prof. V, a few damage mods and headshots. Without all the extra multipliers, it does 773.81 DPS. That being said, it doesn't need a nerf. You practically need to get a few headshots to actually kill someone with it, this is what balances it. I did make this thread for ARs strictly. However the ScP is a fun and beastly weapon. I've never doubted it's power I do however doubt people's accuracy Reloading, the silent killer.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 4356	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:08:00 - [23] - Quote Is he for real?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1300	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:12:00 - [24] - Quote this isn't about racism, it's about gun balance. I demand a refund! "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 348	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol message from Godin: I've found that most people don't seem to understand to aim forthe head, and that means that that multiplier doesn't apply in most situations. So yes, the SCP is included in this. No. The ScP is NOT underpowered. The Standard ScP, with no damage mods, and no proficiency, can do 600+ DPS without any headshots. The Carthum Assault ScP can do 4000+ DPS with Prof. V, a few damage mods and headshots. Without all the extra multipliers, it does 773.81 DPS. That being said, it doesn't need a nerf. You practically need to get a few headshots to actually kill someone with it, this is what balances it. message from Godin: I don't remember saying it was either or dipshit, I was saying that that from what I've seen, nobody uses it right.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1854	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:35:00 - [26] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: So, instead of fixing the new rifles, we buff the old ones and put a larger divide between the assault rifles and every other weapon? +1 Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4338	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:45:00 - [27] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: And then you compare it with all the other weapons and realize that none of the rifles are balanced, and all needs to be nerfed. Except the scrambler pistol ............I'd like to stab you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)


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