DUST Search - 1 Man Tanks; 2 Man Tanks

True Adamance wrote:

Charlotte O'Dell wrote:

Perhaps there should be 2 different hull-types.

Type I: Tank requires 1 pilot, much as we have now. Compared to current tank hulls, it has less fitting capacity and a lower HP pool.

Type II: Tank requires a driver and a gunner. It has a higher fitting capacity compared to current hulls and a higher HP pool.

Both Type I and Type II hulls cost 250,000 ISK.

The ADV hulls increase fitting capacity by 2 slots and 15% fitting bonus, while PRO increase by 3 slots and 25% bonus. ADV cost 450,000 ISK and PRO cost 1,000,000 ISK.

Militia variants of Type I hulls are significantly less powerful, in all regards, than Basic Type I hulls, and cost 100,000 ISK.

That would be nice if I had a reliable gunner to play my matches with....but I don't....so unfortunately I could not be a proper tanker under that model, and being a tanker (prior to 1.7) was the only thing I wanted to be.....

This model is cool though.....

However If I could make a suggestion.... why not make tanks anti vehicle units, and have a secondary gunner position which covers anti infantry roles.

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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1819	Posted - 2014.01.31 22:51:00 - [1] - Quote Perhaps there should be 2 different hull-types. Type I: Tank requires 1 pilot, much as we have now. Compared to current tank hulls, it has less fitting capacity and a lower HP pool. Type II: Tank requires a driver and a gunner. It has a higher fitting capacity compared to current hulls and a higher HP pool. Both Type I and Type II hulls cost 250,000 ISK. The ADV hulls increase fitting capacity by 2 slots and 15% fitting bonus, while PRO increase by 3 slots and 25% bonus. ADV cost 450,000 ISK and PRO cost 1,000,000 ISK. Militia variants of Type I hulls are significantly less powerful, in all regards, than Basic Type I hulls, and cost 100,000 ISK. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
PO0KY Virtual Syndicate 31	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote I dig it
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4278	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:04:00 - [3] - Quote Yes. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6456	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:04:00 - [4] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Perhaps there should be 2 different hull-types. Type I: Tank requires 1 pilot, much as we have now. Compared to current tank hulls, it has less fitting capacity and a lower HP pool. Type II: Tank requires a driver and a gunner. It has a higher fitting capacity compared to current hulls and a higher HP pool. Both Type I and Type II hulls cost 250,000 ISK. The ADV hulls increase fitting capacity by 2 slots and 15% fitting bonus, while PRO increase by 3 slots and 25% bonus. ADV cost 450,000 ISK and PRO cost 1,000,000 ISK. Militia variants of Type I hulls are significantly less powerful, in all regards, than Basic Type I hulls, and cost 100,000 ISK. That would be nice if I had a reliable gunner to play my matches with....but I don't....so unfortunately I could not be a proper tanker under that model, and being a tanker (prior to 1.7) was the only thing I wanted to be..... This model is cool though..... However If I could make a suggestion.... why not make tanks anti vehicle units, and have a secondary gunner position which covers anti infantry roles. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1025	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:17:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Perhaps there should be 2 different hull-types. Type I: Tank requires 1 pilot, much as we have now. Compared to current tank hulls, it has less fitting capacity and a lower HP pool. Type II: Tank requires a driver and a gunner. It has a higher fitting capacity compared to current hulls and a higher HP pool. Both Type I and Type II hulls cost 250,000 ISK. The ADV hulls increase fitting capacity by 2 slots and 15% fitting bonus, while PRO increase by 3 slots and 25% bonus. ADV cost 450,000 ISK and PRO cost 1,000,000 ISK. Militia variants of Type I hulls are significantly less powerful, in all regards, than Basic Type I hulls, and cost 100,000 ISK. That would be nice if I had a reliable gunner to play my matches with....but I don't....so unfortunately I could not be a proper tanker under that model, and being a tanker (prior to 1.7) was the only thing I wanted to be..... This model is cool though..... However If I could make a suggestion.... why not make tanks anti vehicle units, and have a secondary gunner position which covers anti infantry roles. We have a fair bit of social tools in this game. CCP expects us to get EVE connections for FW to utilize Orbitals. It's a fair assumption to think players could make a friend to really use a force multiplier mechanized infantry unit to full potential.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1772	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:25:00 - [6] - Quote I think this is a good idea actually. The single user HAVs should be capable of about 2000-3000 HP, turn significantly faster with a slower top speed, use a medium turret as its main and only gun. They should be smaller in stature, perhaps 75% the size of the current HAVs. They also should have less slots and CPU/PG than the large HAVs. They won't be able to fit much in the way of modules, and won't be able to fit more than 1 active module, so they will be forced to choose which active module they want. The dual user HAVs should be capable of about 4500-5500 HP, would have a higher top speed and slower acceleration, would have a large turret as its main gun, and 2 small turret mounts, one on the front, and one on the top. Basically the HAVs we have now, but they require 2 users to function as well as they do now. Both the main gunner and driver should have access to certain modules, the gunner has access to damage mods, while the driver has access to nitrous, hardeners, and shield boosters. The driver should have control of the small front turret. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3030	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:58:00 - [7] - Quote Yes. This and MAVs with driver-operated small turrets. No.
DootDoot Da Short Buss Legacy Rising 179	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:07:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: I think this is a good idea actually. The single user HAVs should be capable of about 2000-3000 HP, turn significantly faster with a slower top speed, use a medium turret as its main and only gun. They should be smaller in stature, perhaps 75% the size of the current HAVs. They also should have less slots and CPU/PG than the large HAVs. They won't be able to fit much in the way of modules, and won't be able to fit more than 1 active module, so they will be forced to choose which active module they want. The dual user HAVs should be capable of about 4500-5500 HP, would have a higher top speed and slower acceleration, would have a large turret as its main gun, and 2 small turret mounts, one on the front, and one on the top. Basically the HAVs we have now, but they require 2 users to function as well as they do now. Both the main gunner and driver should have access to certain modules, the gunner has access to damage mods, while the driver has access to nitrous, hardeners, and shield boosters. The driver should have control of the small front turret. Sounds really cool, I can just imagine the gameplay you could create with a tanking team... Sheesh most people would have a hard time getting off DUST once they start getting it down to a science and enjoy the team work aspect. Afterall the most enjoyment and rewarding gameplay you can get in DUST is when the true squad and team play that was orignially intended works out. Heavies pushing with logi's healing, assaults laying out med range dps behind, scouts flanking with shotguns and knifes.A Squad of tanks looking for tank fights, actively hunting and relaying intel about enemy positions, and or a couple ADS's. I do know if one person can call in a tank, get in and then are suddenly 200-300% stronger there will always be a massive balance issue. No matter how hard you make them to skill(Makes them an elitist role) or expensive(makes a tanker role unsustainable ISK wise so silly) . You can't fix that force multiplier equation without either making them more balanced with singular infantry units which defeats the purpose of a tank, or forced to need multiple players to use the full ability and force of that tank.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 399	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:08:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Yes. This and MAVs with driver-operated small turrets. I'd think that the MAV would be the single operator/single hull version while the HAV then becomes the multi role/multi operator option. Isk wise the LAV would be the inexpensive option, MAV should then be at the 100,000 mark and make the HAV 250,000. Militia HAVs could be replaced by the MAV counterpart. This would make the HAV a more specialized unit like the assault dropship. It's a thought... Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1280	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:11:00 - [10] - Quote The 1 man tank should be the role of the mav, and the current havs, could be changed to the 2 man tank. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3860	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:15:00 - [11] - Quote Suggested this in beta, because tankers bitched about the idea of teamwork. At this point, I'm just going to say **** it- make all tanks 2-man and force them to wait for MTACs I am your scan error.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 547	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:15:00 - [12] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The ADV hulls Where is it that CCP said they were making ADV hulls of any vehicle? Last I heard they were doing variants not tiers. Assault, Scout, Logistics...etc like the LAV had. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 331	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote message from Godin: And ruin any and all balance ever. No. Also, **** adding more tiers.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 574	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:17:00 - [14] - Quote Interesting idea, but I do not like. I'd rather tanks were only good at killing vehicles, and neeed small turrets to combat infantry with any effectiveness.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 401	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:28:00 - [15] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Interesting idea, but I do not like. I'd rather tanks were only good at killing vehicles, and neeed small turrets to combat infantry with any effectiveness. I think Tebu Gan's threads Tanks - A real balance thread and Tanks - Balancing Turrets offer a great look at, and suggest possible changes along these lines. He responded to my thread HAV Operation Like a LAV where I made another suggestion to alter solo HAV effectivness without simply nerfing/buffing. I'm really looking forward to more ideas about how the role balance can be achieved in novel ways. No one wants a "Win Button" Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 515	Posted - 2014.02.01 00:39:00 - [16] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Interesting idea, but I do not like. I'd rather tanks were only good at killing vehicles, and neeed small turrets to combat infantry with any effectiveness. That's how I feel, but I do like the idea of a multi manned tank variant at some point down the road. Though, I think they need to get down to balancing what they have now before they go about adding in something like this. Like finish adding in the mods and turrets that give us roles and variety in our gameplay. Nuff Said

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