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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3728	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:55:00 - [1] - Quote Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Suit with 3 the HP can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 317	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:57:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Suit with 3 the HP can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable 1.8 Prediction; Scouts the new FOTM slayer.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:58:00 - [3] - Quote message from Godin: I can do the same **** in a Gal Assault, but with more eHP on my alt. The buff they got was needed.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3729	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:05:00 - [4] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: I can do the same **** in a Gal Assault, but with more eHP on my alt. The buff they got was needed. I use to think the same thing. But you will need to sacrifice two low slots to run dampeners and two more to a cardiac regulator and kinetic catalyzer. And yet, you still will not match me in jumping ability, nor profile dampening and you will never match me in walking speed. Also, at top levels I will get better dampening by running one standard dampener than you could with running three Complex; I would have more slots and more CPU/PG to run armor and damage modifiers. And come 1.8, I will automatically avoid advanced scanners. Check & mate. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 628	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:13:00 - [5] - Quote Should have used the Minmatar scout. The Gallente Scout, compared to the Minmatar Scout, is easy mode.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3730	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:18:00 - [6] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Should have used the Minmatar scout. The Gallente Scout, compared to the Minmatar Scout, is easy mode. I was going to run the Minmatar Scout as it would allow me to run more armor. This is because I can run an Enhanced Armor mod and Enhanced Reactive Plate and still be faster than the Gallante Scout. I decided against it because I would need to run dampeners anyway so that would not allow me to effectively armor tank while maintaining stealth. I don't think the Minmatar Scout is bad because of HP I think it is bad because: Stealth > Speed My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 510	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:27:00 - [7] - Quote Same here. I use assault - deploy dead, scout - deploy survive Psycho boink That was my baseball bouncing off walls with extreme trig to hit you in the face Sandman
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 158	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:32:00 - [8] - Quote m twiggz wrote: So much for Scouts not being viable 1.8 Prediction; Scouts the new FOTM slayer. [/quote] Cal/Gal Scouts + Gal Heavy + possibly Min/Cal Commando blobbing.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3730	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:36:00 - [9] - Quote The Eristic wrote: m twiggz wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So much for Scouts not being viable 1.8 Prediction; Scouts the new FOTM slayer. Cal/Gal Scouts + Gal Heavy + possibly Min/Cal Commando blobbing. Fixed My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 138	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:42:00 - [10] - Quote any who says scouts are underwopered is wrong. my std gallente scout at gall scout 3 with just FCKN MILLITA DAMPNER BITCHES. gets underneath adv scanners. not to many people use the proto one but if they due i use my 'ahem'' aurm scout gko with dual enchanced proflie damps to go below. scouts that use buffer are dead scouts scouts that use dampening are win. job of scout is to avoid fire and silently kill the enemy not get in thier face and expect to win.

OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1312	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:52:00 - [11] - Quote I secretly think your a med frame ficticiously complaining your pre emtive strike against scout suits, a real scout would say nothing. I see you , how's that for saying you can't be scanned. SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 769	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:57:00 - [12] - Quote Really? When I come up against full 6 man proto scanner squad, I pull out my amarr assault viziam 3 dmg mod and reck face. Sure I'm on their radar, but I usually still out play them and use my blues as meat shields. On city maps though, This doesn't work :( so I pull out scout and do better GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Banishment this World! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1076	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:03:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So much for Scouts not being viable Try some PC in a scout suit and see how far you get. Scouts are not competitive. It is a lot different when there is only one full proto squad in a pub Vs. an entire proto team in PC. Scout does fine in pubs against a buch of std and adv gear and poorly fit protos, but you'll quickly get slaughtered in PC. {:)}{3GÇó>
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2964	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:03:00 - [14] - Quote My beef is the scout vs. map design. Crossing open areas is like...nope But scout suits are the greatest lonewolf suits hands down, due to stealth and omniscience. However I'll be damned if I come across any more dampened Assault C.k0s. They are the bane of a scout as well as other scouts....and HMGs. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2964	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:07:00 - [15] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: any who says scouts are underwopered is wrong. my std gallente scout at gall scout 3 with just FCKN MILLITA DAMPNER BITCHES. gets underneath adv scanners. not to many people use the proto one but if they due i use my 'ahem'' aurm scout gko with dual enchanced proflie damps to go below. scouts that use buffer are dead scouts scouts that use dampening are win. job of scout is to avoid fire and silently kill the enemy not get in thier face and expect to win. LOL you need dampeners to evade ADV scans I need only one militia dampener to avoid proto scans except focused which are terribly biased against a scout. No scout should need 4 complex dampeners.... But honestly I have enhanced plated scouts and they have a relatively high armor count for a scout so it's like running a ***** stealth medium frame which is honestly much easier than running no HP scouts. My no HP fits are effective but hyper-niche, the moment I'm caught out in the open is the moment I am dead. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 972	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:11:00 - [16] - Quote The problem here really is that people are relying on their scanners too much now, even the protostompers who use prototype scanners rely solely on the information it provides. When you have invested into the scout suits and profile dampening to avoid these scanners, it suddenly gets a lot easier to sneak behind enemies. Seeing those bright glowing red dots on the map seem to be really mesmerizing, making everyone chase them and ignore everything else. If you know your way around maps, getting behind red dots who are focusing on your buddies starts getting really easy. Even if their teammates are dying right behind them, they keep firing at your buddies, allowing you to slaughter everyone before they even realize what's going on. Added with the fact that scouts can never be passively scanned unless you're using ridicilous complex precision enhancer fits, I could run around red dots and they will never see me coming unless they point their crosshairs at me. Heck, I've had times when I've walked right past red dots and they ignored me completely, because I wasn't showing up red on their radar or tacnet. The problem really lies in the fact that even with all of this, investing in profile dampening, learning the maps and taking all the effort to sneak behind enemies, as soon as someone sees you you're dead. And really, the issue isn't that scouts aren't hard to use when you've invested enough skills into them, it's the fact that how much effort it takes before you can get there. When you have to invest over 4 million SP to your scout skills and profile dampening, and sacrifice health/utility modules to avoid advanced scanners, a logi can just invest under a million SP and use one of their equipment slots to use a proto scanner, forcing you to use even more SP to max out your scout suits and dampening. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
2100 Angels The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 299	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:14:00 - [17] - Quote Since when has the minmatar assault become obsolete? I've regularly been getting 25-30 kills and <10 deaths... and a bad game has me only slightly over a 1:1 ratio. Is this a bad result? or are you just suggesting I'd do much better with a scout
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 118	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:18:00 - [18] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Assault Suit with 3x the HP dies twice as much and can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable well i used for a very long time a minmatar light frame (not the racial) and you should really try that. compared to that, gal racial scout is super ez mode! u get scanned like everyone else or u sacrifice All your lows for dampers and criple your already low CPU even more with that (and still get scanned sometimes)....not able to run a weapon above adv on a proto suit cause of your limited resources... dying in a blink of an eye (in proto suit) cause you have less ehp than a proto nanohive and losing a lot of isk since your suits are even more expensive than a racial suit.. even though i mostly used adv min light frame (still damn expensive for it's crappy performance). so dont talk so high of yourself and what little whiners we all are...there are (were) reasons for the complains...
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 624	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:19:00 - [19] - Quote Now remember scouts- don't play too well, or CCP will cripple you again. Sadly i wish i was joking. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:21:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Assault Suit with 3x the HP dies twice as much and can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable >"My [...] minmatar suit" >minmatar Well there's your problem right there.

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6658	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:24:00 - [21] - Quote The Gallente scout gives you all around bonuses to both profile dampening and passive scan range. I have an alt standing by that has moderately high passive scan range on a Gallente Scout Gk.0 and I can already see up to 60 meters with just enhanced range amps. And since passive scanning at that level makes active scanners unnecessary for the Scout Gk.0, I can see every suit in the field except another scout. There is also the additional benefit of NOT alerting the enemy since passive scanning doesn't reveal your position in any way. The Gallente Scout is a triple threat. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1077	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:42:00 - [22] - Quote Also, I think that the buff to scout slots has more to do with the buffs that are being done to the other suit classes. All assaults are getting RoF increase + buffer increase or increase to damage output (Minmatar). All sentinels are getting a huge resistance increase. Commandos are getting a damage output increase. You can't do these kind of buffs and just leave the scouts the way they are. I still have reservations that the scout buff may not be enough given the magnitude of the buffs to the other classes. Only time will tell. {:)}{3GÇó>
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 375	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:53:00 - [23] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Assault Suit with 3x the HP dies twice as much and can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable Hi my name it Bad Furry and as a scout id like to say welcome To the WALL ! and boy did you hit that sucker hard lol..... let me know when you played some eve or did your home work on the game of eve online and fined out HP buff is not everything and there's a + and a - to everything you just need to look. if you need me ill be in the Mcc drunk or playing "duck duck bullet to the skull" with the other teams snipers. enjoy! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 324	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:59:00 - [24] - Quote The Eristic wrote: m twiggz wrote: So much for Scouts not being viable 1.8 Prediction; Scouts the new FOTM slayer. Cal/Gal Scouts + Gal Heavy + possibly Min/Cal Commando blobbing. [/quote] You botched the quoting, but we're on the same page.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 421	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:08:00 - [25] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. [snip] So much for Scouts not being viable I've made similar findings in my advanced Gallente Scout. My Scout can stay where my Assault suit has to yield, it can kill what my Assault suit can't. I know where you are, I know where you are looking. I don't care what weapon you are using, you're not going to get a chance to point it at me. P.S.: Yes, Scouts will be FOTM in 1.8. Awesome now, OP soon.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1077	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:21:00 - [26] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. [snip] So much for Scouts not being viable I've made similar findings in my advanced Gallente Scout. My Scout can stay where my Assault suit has to yield, it can kill what my Assault suit can't. I know where you are, I know where you are looking. I don't care what weapon you are using, you're not going to get a chance to point it at me. P.S.: Yes, Scouts will be FOTM in 1.8. Awesome now, OP soon. lol I am so going to laugh my ass off at all the posers going into scout, when the find out just how powerful the buffs to the other suits were, and come whining to the forums about it. {:)}{3GÇó>
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2116	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:03:00 - [27] - Quote Even with their buffs scouts will not be OP, purely because of the buffs to everything else - try taking on heavies or mediums with +1000hp in a paper scout suit with nerfed damage mods and I predict you'll seldom survive let alone win. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 119	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:34:00 - [28] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Even with their buffs scouts will not be OP, purely because of the buffs to everything else - try taking on heavies or mediums with +1000hp in a paper scout suit with nerfed damage mods and I predict you'll seldom survive let alone win. is there a noticable difference in dmg increase (or TTK) with the dmg mods? i dont use dmg mods and i'm just curios.... and i hope scouts wont be the next FOTM, cause i like the challenge being a scout. with the new updates the good scouts will still do fine (& change their playstyles to overcome the changes) and the dumb crappy ones (like me lol) which refuse to adapt & overcome probaly get stomped and frustrated :/
Leupox Dior Science For Death 12	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:34:00 - [29] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Around two months back I skilled into shotguns, knives and the Gallante Scout suit. I did it because I could no longer fight effectively with the Swarm Launcher and Minmatar Assault I had earlier. I thought it was going to be incredibly hard, considering how much people complain. Though, I find them surprisingly easier to operate in. This is because of Scanners. I don't care how good you are, or say you are, you won't survive against 6 players with proto gear that are all chasing you down because they scanned you. This is especially true if you play solo like I do. Now everytime I play something that is not a scout suit I get scanned and completely murdered by 3+ guys shooting me at the same time. Yet I can walk right around them in a scout suit and survive, and even shotgun them all down before they even see me. My Proto Minmatar Assault Suit with 3x the HP dies twice as much and can't even get half as many kills as my standard scout suit. So much for Scouts not being viable I kinda had the same thing, after SL becoming almost useless I went rail rifle/slayer logi, but it started to bore me. By accident I got in a squad with MakiMaki from NyanSan, seeing him how he was murdering people in a scout suit and hear him explain how he runs it. I thought like why not I still got like 70 black eagle's, lets try it. I thought I would be gang raped with only 300 EHP. I actually did way better and in general I'm getting way more kills as a scout then my slayer fits with over 700 EHP. I dont have any points in scout suits so after I ran out of black eagle's, I bought the LP min basic scout suit and LP gal basic shotty. With just the basic suit and no skillpoints in scout suits and just an advanced dampner I barely get scanned. If we get a respecc I'll definitly gonna put some points into a cal scout. Scouts are badass, just dont go face-to-face with a heavy 'Fossil' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame + M209 Assault Submachine Gun Soundcloud
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 252	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:49:00 - [30] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Added with the fact that scouts can never be passively scanned unless you're using ridicilous complex precision enhancer fits, I could run around red dots and they will never see me coming unless they point their crosshairs at me. Heck, I've had times when I've walked right past red dots and they ignored me completely, because I wasn't showing up red on their radar or tacnet. The problem really lies in the fact that even with all of this, investing in profile dampening, learning the maps and taking all the effort to sneak behind enemies, as soon as someone sees you you're dead.. Very true. IF some Scout invest all his sp in to dampening - it work for him temporary, as soon he is spotted, he is dead. If Assault invest all his sp in to tanking skills, as soon he is spotted, he have plenty time to defend himself. Skills are not equal to other skills in this game. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.



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