DUST Search - So When CCP Fixes Molden Heath...

Atiim wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?"

What?

No, because it isn't an exploit. It's an obvious use of incredibly dumb game mechanics.

I told CCP exactly what would happen before they officially set it up this way. They even responded to my thread directly and said "it might be a problem, but we'll deal with it later."

Well, that was months ago. It's currently later. Can't punish the players for CCP neglecting what anyone could've seen was an obvious problem before it was even implemented. I certainly didn't ask for the game to be played this way, but as long as it IS played this way I intend to try and win it.

As for CCP saying "we'll deal it later," well that's truly facepalm worthy,.

However, CCP's lack of competence aside, district locking has still allowed unintended billions, if not trillions of ISK to flood into the market. When p2p trading is implemented, this will become a huge problem.

CCP broke a very important rule in terms of a virtual economy. You never, ever, allow people to have a theoretically infinite amount of money. When the majority of the people on these forums consider 50mil to be "chump change". there is a problem.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4246	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:11:00 - [1] - Quote Should they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 5	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:21:00 - [2] - Quote No. Some Corporations simply don't get attacked very often and legitimately earn their ISK.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4250	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:26:00 - [3] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: No. Some Corporations simply don't get attacked very often and legitimately earn their ISK. I'm not saying "remove all ISK generated from Molden Heath" I'm talking about the ISK generated from creating alt corps and no-showing the battle; as well as other forms of "district locking." Corps who legitimately earn their ISK wouldn't be affected. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 5	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:31:00 - [4] - Quote I understand what you mean, but that would be extremely difficult if not impossible to track and pinpoint the specific actions taken by so many Corporations.
JL3Eleven 1686	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:38:00 - [5] - Quote lol. Their will be no "fix". It's only Illegal when CCP says it is. Until then it's fair game. I know it sucks but that's how CCP operates. I will pay 1 Billion ISK for a Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPO.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2154	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:38:00 - [6] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: I understand what you mean, but that would be extremely difficult if not impossible to track and pinpoint the specific actions taken by so many Corporations. Remember when they gave people too much ISK back for whatever they messed up and took it back putting people negative? Same exact situation. They should definitely take the time to fix their own game. Unless they like getting taken advantage of? The wealth that was exploited wasn't just a little bit of ISK. It's game breaking, provides infinite, at this point, advantage to a small player base, and will ruin the player market immediately upon launch. It isn't fair to the other players to supply this gigantic of an advantage to a small player base and expect their game to flourish. Which is what the game has become. Unless they want to have a little private circle jerk with the same players until they decide to stop paying for their playground. CCP needs to fix it completely. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4252	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:39:00 - [7] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: I understand what you mean, but that would be extremely difficult if not impossible to track and pinpoint the specific actions taken by so many Corporations. This game is server-sided, so to my knowledge everything is saved to a log (a list if you will). Just remove the ISK generated from all battles that were listed as no-shows. Difficult, but not impossible. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 112	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:40:00 - [8] - Quote They should take it back, give those corps a week long time out and an apology to the rest of the playerbase for their poor design.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2157	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:40:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: I understand what you mean, but that would be extremely difficult if not impossible to track and pinpoint the specific actions taken by so many Corporations. This game is server-sided, so to my knowledge everything is saved to a log (a list if you will). Just remove the ISK generated from all battles that were listed as no-shows. Difficult, but not impossible. A little bit of script with some pixie dust will fix that right up in less than a few seconds. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 2870	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:42:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" No, because it isn't an exploit. It's an obvious use of incredibly dumb game mechanics. I told CCP exactly what would happen before they officially set it up this way. They even responded to my thread directly and said "it might be a problem, but we'll deal with it later." Well, that was months ago. It's currently later. Can't punish the players for CCP neglecting what anyone could've seen was an obvious problem before it was even implemented. I certainly didn't ask for the game to be played this way, but as long as it IS played this way I intend to try and win it.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 6	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:43:00 - [11] - Quote You make good arguments here Atiim...I suppose if were possible for CCP to do it then I'm all for it.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4550	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:05:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" I still don't get how it's okay that you get ISK payouts for PC. I mean, not only are you either taking or defending resource generating territory, but you're getting paid by the game to do so? PC has a hell of a lot of issues. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4253	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:09:00 - [13] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" No, because it isn't an exploit. It's an obvious use of incredibly dumb game mechanics. I told CCP exactly what would happen before they officially set it up this way. They even responded to my thread directly and said "it might be a problem, but we'll deal with it later." Well, that was months ago. It's currently later. Can't punish the players for CCP neglecting what anyone could've seen was an obvious problem before it was even implemented. I certainly didn't ask for the game to be played this way, but as long as it IS played this way I intend to try and win it. As for CCP saying "we'll deal it later," well that's truly facepalm worthy,. However, CCP's lack of competence aside, district locking has still allowed unintended billions, if not trillions of ISK to flood into the market. When p2p trading is implemented, this will become a huge problem. CCP broke a very important rule in terms of a virtual economy. You never, ever, allow people to have a theoretically infinite amount of money. When the majority of the people on these forums consider 50mil to be "chump change". there is a problem. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2783	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:10:00 - [14] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: I understand what you mean, but that would be extremely difficult if not impossible to track and pinpoint the specific actions taken by so many Corporations. On the contrary, it's probably a couple SQL queries to the database. Select all attacks where a clone pack was used and nobody showed up to use it. Add up all the days a district was locked that way to determine the profit generated per district. Bam, done.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4253	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:11:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" I still don't get how it's okay that you get ISK payouts for PC. I mean, not only are you either taking or defending resource generating territory, but you're getting paid by the game to do so? PC has a hell of a lot of issues. PC should generate ISK, but not nearly as much as it is currently. If we removed PC's ability to gain ISK, then nobody would play it. Who would throw PRO suits and billions of ISK into a meat grinder for no reward? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 412	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:13:00 - [16] - Quote its not that hard to pinpoint, its like finding a screeming tortoise in a hay stack they usually come to formums and talk about it, just drain all corps involved to 0 isk and any alt corp they have and remove 2/3 isk from people on forums admitedly isk farming Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2275	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:14:00 - [17] - Quote No, District farmers are buying my Proto suits. Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2783	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:15:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" No, because it isn't an exploit. It's an obvious use of incredibly dumb game mechanics. I told CCP exactly what would happen before they officially set it up this way. They even responded to my thread directly and said "it might be a problem, but we'll deal with it later." Well, that was months ago. It's currently later. Can't punish the players for CCP neglecting what anyone could've seen was an obvious problem before it was even implemented. I certainly didn't ask for the game to be played this way, but as long as it IS played this way I intend to try and win it. As for CCP saying "we'll deal it later," well that's truly facepalm worthy,. However, CCP's lack of competence aside, district locking has still allowed unintended billions, if not trillions of ISK to flood into the market. When p2p trading is implemented, this will become a huge problem. CCP broke a very important rule in terms of a virtual economy. You never, ever, allow people to have a theoretically infinite amount of money. When the majority of the people on these forums consider 50mil to be "chump change". there is a problem. PC is a huge ISK faucet, nay, water main break. It's gushing a fountain of ISK into select players hands. CCP stares at it and leans on its collective shovels saying, "Eh, we'll get to it after lunch".
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 166	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote No. Whats done is done, but there is no going back on a mistake made in New Eden. That goes for respecs too.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10464	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:18:00 - [20] - Quote You have great faith in CCPs ability to monitor their own game. If they could track that, you think they would have caught this issue LONG ago, particularly considering how long they've been warned about it. Damage is done, and I don't see it being healed anytime soon. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 115	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:27:00 - [21] - Quote Clone packs should not be refunded if a PC battle is not fought, like a no show match. The fact that district lockers get their clone packs back after a no show battle is stupid. And that is how they are making ISK. The problem would solve itself if they lost clone packs when they locked their own districts. Some corps might still do it but at least they don't be making ISK off that broken mechanic.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 316	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:27:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shouldn't they also remove the ISK generated from all of the exploits used, such as "district locking?" No ISK should be generated by districts sitting idle with no battles. This would cut down on the amount of districts corps want to own, being that the only reason most corps hold districts is for the ISK not the competitiveness. This way corps who want to PC for the competitive side of Dust may have a better chance without a giant blue donut holding 50% of the districts farming ISK. Increase the player payout per win, implement a minimum amount of players from defending corp/alliance and attacking corp/alliance that must be in battle (thus no 15 ringers in a battle), lower the cost of clone packs so indie corps have a chance of at least tasting PC without going broke (or bring back corp contracts), have timers span more than one time a day: example; timer set for 10 UTC can be attacked between 8 UTC and 12 UTC - attacker picks time (would make international PC timers more viable to be attacked, also more viable for international corps to attack), etc etc. Just a few ideas I had. I feel they would benefit everyone equally, besides ISK farmers.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4257	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:59:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No, District farmers are buying my Proto suits. And that's a relevant argument, how exactly? If I abused a mechanic to allow me to gain unfathomable amounts of ISK in EvE, then said not to remove the ISK because it's how I buy my Titans, would that fly? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1135	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:04:00 - [24] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: They should take it back, give those corps a week long time out and an apology to the rest of the playerbase for their poor design. This. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2227	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:06:00 - [25] - Quote I cant see how they can undo the damage the isk blanace in the gan me is beyound broken any player market will be instantly wreaked by crazys price lockouts. The only way i can see to fix this is too have a full isk wipe everyone back to 0. But hell would freeze over before that happens lols "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4257	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:06:00 - [26] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: No. Whats done is done, but there is no going back on a mistake made in New Eden. That goes for respecs too. This is more than a "simple mistake." It involves the economy, which is something very serious in CCP's book. The ISK that has been generated was not generated legitimately, so you have have billions (possibly trillions) of "counterfeit" ISK flooding the economy. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4257	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:09:00 - [27] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I cant see how they can undo the damage the isk blanace in the gan me is beyound broken any player market will be instantly wreaked by crazys price lockouts. The only way i can see to fix this is too have a full isk wipe everyone back to 0. But hell would freeze over before that happens lols Skihids wrote: On the contrary, it's probably a couple SQL queries to the database. Select all attacks where a clone pack was used and nobody showed up to use it. Add up all the days a district was locked that way to determine the profit generated per district. Bam, done. Keep in mind, this game is server-sided. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 241	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:12:00 - [28] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I cant see how they can undo the damage the isk blanace in the gan me is beyound broken any player market will be instantly wreaked by crazys price lockouts. The only way i can see to fix this is too have a full isk wipe everyone back to 0. But hell would freeze over before that happens lols While that would remove the obscene amounts of isk in the game, those of us that are poor, those of us that have grinded battle after battle to get that isk would be very mad and out right quit. However as it stands IF we ever do get a player market, when people have half a billion isk + (I'm sure people individually have billions, I know the PC farmer corps will have billions, if they are not making that per day) the market will be ruined.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2229	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:13:00 - [29] - Quote Its how do u split the expoliters from the small timers who got lucky i think with a player market a fefull isk reset is justified "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2787	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:28:00 - [30] - Quote CCP tracks everything. They are obsessed with data. I'm a database professional and I'm certain that they can identify and track every last ISK generated by this locking strategy if they stored a few bits of information such as attack method and the battle result. It's not a tedious bit of accounting. One query and you have a report of every corp's total ill gotten gain. Another and you have the total dispersals you can use to raid player wallets if the corp wallet comes up short. They have the means. The question is if they have the will, and that's what most concerns me. Do they care about their game enough to shut off the faucet and mop up the mess, or don't they? It's an indicator of how the rest of development will go. Can we expect a well balanced game, or will they just throw a bunch of crap together and call it a day?

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