CCP are on holiday at the moment, but I agree. Generally, there don't seem to be that many responses there. One of the guys, I can't remember his name, something like Delamorui Eddy, responds a lot but overall it's a bit poor.

CCP are on holiday at the moment, but I agree. Generally, there don't seem to be that many responses there. One of the guys, I can't remember his name, something like Delamorui Eddy, responds a lot but overall it's a bit poor.

CCP are on holiday at the moment, but I agree. Generally, there don't seem to be that many responses there. One of the guys, I can't remember his name, something like Delamorui Eddy, responds a lot but overall it's a bit poor.

They don;t really respond to the bugs and feedback. they do read it however i have had my posts linked several times as sources for upcomming fixes.

perpetual holiday =D

How many people here think that dust will actually fulfill its contract ,or be shut down to poor management?

Me and several others reported a bunch of bugs in the past few days and weeks, and its frustrating to see them ignored by devs; they could have mentioned it in this week. The bi-weekly bug/updates.

XxGhazbaranxX's thread on bugged small railgun damage application
RDV yoyoing vehicle drops
MCC interior issues
Cant press square to return to MQ after battle
Spawning with black screens
Squad vehicles not appearing green as they should
Enemies spawning on destroyed uplinks
Scrambler rifle charge shot looks like regular shot, this happened shortly after they changed the charge shot visuals to something better, no its just gone.
The indicator of being repaired by a repair tool has stopped working
These are just the threads that I visited/made/commented on; many bugs that have been made have yet to be acknowledged at all.

I'm not a payed QA tester, but I'm taking time to point out bugs with YOUR game, at least acknowledge them every 2 weeks. Other than the "square not working" and "RDV yoyoing", these should be pretty easy to reproduce. I don't need you guys to tell me its being fixed, or when its being fixed, or even that its being fixed; I just want some sort of indication that you actually read it, know about it, and that I'm not just wasting my time trying to point out these issues. It shouldn't be that hard to say "we know about" to more than 4 threads every 2 weeks.

Just like it's not your job to spot the bugs, it's not theirs to acknowledge your efforts.

You and CCP are "working as intended".

Nah it wont happen. Im sure weGÇÖll get more responses when they employ more people working for the Dust 514 program.

Just like it's not your job to spot the bugs, it's not theirs to acknowledge your efforts.

You and CCP are "working as intended".

Pretty much this.

Just like it's not your job to spot the bugs, it's not theirs to acknowledge your efforts.

You and CCP are "working as intended".

Me and several others reported a bunch of bugs in the past few days and weeks, and its frustrating to see them ignored by devs; they could have mentioned it in this week. The bi-weekly bug/updates.

XxGhazbaranxX's thread on bugged small railgun damage application
RDV yoyoing vehicle drops
MCC interior issues
Cant press square to return to MQ after battle
Spawning with black screens
Squad vehicles not appearing green as they should
Enemies spawning on destroyed uplinks
Scrambler rifle charge shot looks like regular shot, this happened shortly after they changed the charge shot visuals to something better, no its just gone.
The indicator of being repaired by a repair tool has stopped working
These are just the threads that I visited/made/commented on; many bugs that have been made have yet to be acknowledged at all.

I'm not a payed QA tester, but I'm taking time to point out bugs with YOUR game, at least acknowledge them every 2 weeks. Other than the "square not working" and "RDV yoyoing", these should be pretty easy to reproduce. I don't need you guys to tell me its being fixed, or when its being fixed, or even that its being fixed; I just want some sort of indication that you actually read it, know about it, and that I'm not just wasting my time trying to point out these issues. It shouldn't be that hard to say "we know about" to more than 4 threads every 2 weeks.

False. They always ask for evidence. They do use us as QA.

We are, in fact, gracefully helping as intended. CCP is not working at all.

Reporting bugs isn't quite pointless, but they do go ignored for a very long time. CCP is aware of most of the problems with the game, or at least always say they are. Due to a small dev team, a lot of holidays, countless bugs and perhaps not knowing how to fix a lot of them, it takes them forever to fix them. I've pointed out a lot of bugs both on the feedback section and by sending in tickets. On the forums they usually get ignored or troll posted and the tickets usually get a generic "We are aware of the problem and are taking steps to fix it..."

This game is still in "beta" if you ask me. A lot of the issues persist because of CCPs care bear mentality of nerfing and buffing things due to the forum QQ'ing, which is only a small percentage of the communities input. CPMs really don't help the issue either. More often than not they get things done that benefit their play style and not what's overall best for the player base as a whole. I don't see many devs around playing the game either, so other than the communities input how would they know what's wrong with the game?

It's a back and forth battle with CCP and the player base. They nerf something then buff something else. If that doesn't work they nerf the thing they buffed and buff the thing they nerfed. This rarely ends in balance. What I think they need is a small group of players, much like the CPMs, that will be honest with what's actually going on in the game. This whole "forum feedback" reliance just ends up with even more unbalanced aspects to everything.

So they always ask for evidence? Which in turn, means they are always acknowledging you?

I see. /thread

If they don't want us to spot bugs, they shouldn't have a bug report section.
I don't want my efforts acknowledged, I want the bugs themselves acknowledged; just some indication that they know about them.

Well.. if I were simple, I'd have come to that conclusion too. Forgive my lack of anticipation of the wherewithal of intellect to extrapolate... :) There I go again!!

sheesh. I'll just leave it to others to look at our conversation and pat your head and send you off. Unless you want to take another stab at it? Try a little bit harder and I'll respond. Or not

I simply...

Exactly.

Just like it's not your job to spot the bugs, it's not theirs to acknowledge your efforts.

You and CCP are "working as intended".

Dude.. Duran lex is never going to get it.

Most of what you just said is completely unrelated with them just acknowledging a bug report.

you know it is on purpose right?

If they don't want us to spot bugs, they shouldn't have a bug report section.
I don't want my efforts acknowledged, I want the bugs themselves acknowledged; just some indication that they know about them.

You're right. Instead of QQ'ing about things I like to come up with ideas on how to make it better. If it's posted on the forums, or relayed in a ticket the devs know about it. Simple as that. They're not going to post on EVERY topic saying "We are aware" or include EVERY bug report in the weekly update. Instead of saying "Please acknowledge my bug reports" come up with ideas on how it could be relayed better. QQ post is QQ post, idea post is good.

Sorry Duran.. hard to tell if it's your utter lack of understanding how to properly edit quotes, or if you have CCP so far in your mouth it's just plain hard to understand you. Are you getting angry? These crazy long poorly edited responses are getting to be a bore.


You can white knight CCP all day. They definitely care about you, and your efforts far less than they do about half ass fixing bugs in their product.

So you just like to contradict yourself? Compulsively play devil's advocate?

I never said they didn't want you to spot bugs, for you are correct, that is why they have a bug section.

Why do you feel you deserve an indication that they read it? It was never your job to find the bug in the first place. You took it upon yourself to do something that wasn't mandatory.

But you did perform an act of generosity by finding the bugs and reporting it. I just can't understand why you aren't satisfied with that being the end of it.

No matter how are trying to word it, you are still coming off as wanting something from CCP that isn't necessary for them to provide.

I never claimed that I deserved it, don't put words in my mouth. I recognize reporting bugs is completely optional, but they clearly benefit from having us play and test their game and but ultimately benefits them. It is to CCP's benefit if the players are helping them spot issues have some indication that they know about the bug; if you have no indication that they actually know about the problems you report, it feels like its in vain, meaning you are less like to report more bugs, which ultimately hurts the game.

You are right, i used "deserved" for that was my personal interpretation of you listing links to your work then complaining that CCP wasn't telling you they read it and acknowledge the bugs existence, so my apologies.

I guess that's just where our mindsets differ. When i perform acts of kindness or charity, i don't care if i get a thankyou or not. I don't mind holding the door open for someone that will simply walk past without so much as a glance in my direction. The knowledge of my efforts was enough for me. So I suppose I'll leave your thread, since opposing opinions that will never change doesn't merit clogging it with repetition.

Goodluck to you sir.

I still think the central argumet is from a misunderstanding; I don't want a thank you, this is not about wanting kindness repaid. I just want to know that my help is actually received.
If you send money to a friend in need, wouldn't you want to know that the friend actually received the money? Same principle applies with wanting them to know CCP actually received the report and know about the bug.

Yet the principles aren't the same. CCP is not your friend.

Your analogy is more like this. "You sent your money to someone you don't know. They took your money and wrote nothing in return".

I agree that if CCP had some sort of personal reason to respond, they should. But being as they have no personal reasons, i just don't see the need for them to say anything to you or about those bugs.

That's why i can't help but feel you just want a thankyou. We have two completely different opinions on what CCP needs to do or not. Those opinions aren't changing throughout this thread, and probably won't. And thats okay.

As this repetition is continuing on longer i would like to say good day sir, and again, goodluck.

It may not be at all like a friendship, but there is definitely a business relationship in which both the paying customer and creator are invested in the success of the product, so comparing it to just sending money to a stranger is who doesn't right back is not a good analogy.
I still don't see how wanting confirmation that they are aware of an issue a "thank you", especially since the confirmation of knowledge on an issue does not even have to reference the identify of the person who originally reported it. In either your or my analogies, saying "I got the money" is not a thank you. A thank you is an expression of gratitude, not an acknowledgement of receiving something; and the acknowledgement of receiving something doesn't even have to acknowledge the sender. Seriously, in what world is "we know about X issue" a thank you?

Then lets make this easy for you to grasp.

My opinion : I don't fee their lack of acknowledgement of the bug is problem. End of story.

Your opinion : You feel it's a problem. End of story.

Bye now. Keep up the good work .(?)

My opinion : I don't fee their lack of acknowledgement of the bug is problem. End of story.

Then lets make this easy for you to grasp.

My opinion : I don't fee their lack of acknowledgement of the bug is problem. End of story.

Your opinion : You feel it's a problem. End of story.

Bye now. Keep up the good work .(?)

Well if your opinion is basically "we know about the bug" = "thank you", then your opinion is objectively incorrect, and contradicts the definition of what an expression of gratitude means. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but some opinions are incorrect if they are provably false, as is with your definition of what a "thank you".

Bye.