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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 864	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:27:00 - [1] - Quote variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2258	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:19:00 - [2] - Quote I have a neo proto suit of every role ready for PC matches and multiple adv suits of many roles for pub Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
Ironyimation Inception Ancient Erectiles 74	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:21:00 - [3] - Quote Level 4 or more in every weapon. Ancient Erectiles, CEO Closed Beta Veteran
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4200	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:23:00 - [4] - Quote Other than officer weapons, there is not a single weapon in this game that I haven't used yet... Generalization > Specialization. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 625	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:24:00 - [5] - Quote Specializing is for people who play PC where your side doesn't want someone who is a half assed sniper, logi, whatever they want someone who is fully skilled into the role. Having a little skill in many things may be better for pub matches, but I would hardly say that "specializing is for losers" its for people more concerned about end game rather than ISK grinding pub matches or FW. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3830	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:24:00 - [6] - Quote Hell yeah! I had a fit for every situation, then I got bored and deleted all of them to make pure minmatar ones for a while. Starting to move back to the "jack of all trades" thing, but I'm going to wait until next build. I am your scan error.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2938	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:28:00 - [7] - Quote Except anybody who has specialised in Gallogi+CR+Scanner is practically winning....soo.... Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6353	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:28:00 - [8] - Quote Why then Arent Commodo FoTM material for next build. 2 Light weapons, racial weapon damage buffs, Heavy Suit level EHP, Equipment....... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 498	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote Yep, have 5 proto level weapons. It's a shame CCP is so intent on forcing you in specific roles with the new bonus's. This is war adaptability should be the name of the game. Not I have to do this because that's what some arbitrary bonus says I have to do. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12768	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:30:00 - [10] - Quote Omni-soldiering is a scary road. Very scary. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3710	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:16:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Omni-soldiering is a scary road. Very scary. Only for those who them. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 570	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:33:00 - [12] - Quote Sorry,but I have a real world job and just don't have the time to cap out every single week,and that's not a knock on anyone that's unemployed and does have the time to do that,but I'm just saying. Also,as far as I'm concerned,CCP has failed at the MMO aspects of this game for exactly the reason of this thread.This is currently the only MMO,albeit the only MMO that's also a shooter,that doesn't lock you into a specific role per character.Unfortunately,due to the dismal player count,per match and in total,it would be a total deathwish if CCP had lock you into specific roles. If there were say 20k~30k players online at any given time and we had at the very least 32v32,then I think the dynamics of this game would be totally different from anything we've ever seen from this game.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4203	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:49:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Why then Arent ~~Commodo~~ Commando FoTM material for next build. 2 Light weapons, racial weapon damage buffs, Heavy Suit level EHP, Equipment....... And I believe that the Minmatar Commando will move as fast as an Amarr Assault frame. We all know they will be FoTM. But I'll have all of the Matari Frames to lvl. 5 anyways. A Commando FoTM being nerfed won't hit me nearly as hard. Also, I fixed your spelling error. :P Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Onesimus Tarsus 1025	Posted - 2014.01.30 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote Strange. I have one fit and I merely bend the battle to my will. You weaker people puzzle and amuse me. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 694	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:39:00 - [15] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Strange. I have one fit and I merely bend the battle to my will. You weaker people puzzle and amuse me. Sounds like something a tactician would say. Mr. Tarsus, are you a tactician? Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 892	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:57:00 - [16] - Quote i agree... to a certain extent, you need to be on the same playing field as those people though. the thing is, if the battle field is already filled with orginized rolls that know how to support each other and vary in their support then its hard to beat them no matter what. especially if all of them are efficient skill and sp wise, its better to have ten dif rolls with higl exp rather then ten guys who can do anything just not that well.... tactics>skill points any day. For the most part i totally agree, the first things i did was skill into my assault for the overall and my sniper for the long distance, eventually i realised that i needed heavy a.v. and a light speed suit also. This gave me a lot of versitility on the battlefield but left me wishing the things i had were better. Now i find that i need to skill into 4 different areas then one, needing more sp to be better in an all around fight.... At the end i decided to be a Logi to fit my "all around" desires and i realised that im pretty good at it. But i ALWAYS do my best when i stick to my roll, the more i branch out in a fight the less i get accomplished by the end of the match. It is kinda fun to play what i'm best at but still be able counter snipe, tank, scout, and fly all in one game though (not so much scout lol spent a few hours making a mess o that) - LOGI REGISTRY, *LIBRARY, AND H.O.F. -
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1419	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:04:00 - [17] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. Being a logi is all about battlefield facilitation, you need to be able to perform many roles all at the drop of a hat. This is how I have viewed it from the start. Besides..... Overspecialize and you breed in weakness. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Onesimus Tarsus 1026	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:07:00 - [18] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Strange. I have one fit and I merely bend the battle to my will. You weaker people puzzle and amuse me. Sounds like something a tactician would say. Mr. Tarsus, are you a tactician? Mea culpa Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6150	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:09:00 - [19] - Quote If the player count ever increases drastically in the future then specialization would be more important, but I agree that right now with only 15 other people on your team it is important to fill multiple roles. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 155	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:15:00 - [20] - Quote I've been running this for some time. In my current Callogi suit I can fill basically every role except long distance sniping (although I really could do that if I had to with my gunlogi) and a stealth/infiltration approach. This person is tired of it and all the SP sink to go along with it. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San

Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 277	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:33:00 - [21] - Quote I'm not specialized but the only suits I will be specializing in is my Minmatar Scout and Minmatar Assault. My Assault is Lvl 4 and my Scout is Lvl 3. Right now I'm more focused on my scout and core. After Engineering/Electronics and Core is at 5 I'll focus on precision(lvl 3), damp(lvl 3) and range(lvl 4). Then the inside of shield and armor. Just 2 more lvls and 1 more for shield reg.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1271	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:49:00 - [22] - Quote specialists and generalists play a game of wagers. as a specialist scout I wager that I can force a situation where I have an advantage over someone who isn't as well suited. the generalist wagers that they can minimize their disadvantage in many situations allowing them more opportunity for success. I play to maximize my advantage, you play to minimize your disadvantage. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 180	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. This made my day. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 839	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:23:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Omni-soldiering is a scary road. Very scary. ive been doing it since beta started, or in other words, ive been doing it before it was cool Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 73	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:14:00 - [25] - Quote 32 million SP lets me specialise in logistics, scouts and assault maybe heavies when 1.8 hits. Being a master of many trades > a jack of many trades. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 486	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:25:00 - [26] - Quote I lone wolf it so much that scout is just perfect for my playstyle. Enemies on roof at Magnus Peak AKA Tank Land not letting you through? Flank until you've forgotten where your going Once you remember, infiltrate semi quietly Kill that guy that turned around at the wrong time very fast Climb up to roof shoot every one in the face and anyone else that think I'm an easy kill [ I am but not today] 'Clear, you may now push the objective.' A logi cant do that AS effectively with out cause too much of a melee, the point of a scout is to break [or smash] there ranks without causing to much of a, I forgot the word for it, oh, TOO MUCH ATTENTION. Perfect for me, I don't like for you to know I'm there. The only other thing I'll probably spec into heavies. After I get me proto knives, cause overkill is underrated. :D Freelance Psycho Basically, kind of a big deal.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 779	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:40:00 - [27] - Quote Its a progressive process. You start the game, unsure what to do, spec into stuff unknowingly you start to get a feel for the game so specialise in what works for you to get competitive quicker Once you start holding your own you branch out into new roles/skills "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 298	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:41:00 - [28] - Quote I specced into Proto Minja, ADV Gallinja, proto Scram Rifle (as someone described it, a shotgun, TAR, and Sniper Rifle rolled into one), and ADV of every other weapon in game. Oh yeah, Proto Combat Rifle. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 981	Posted - 2014.01.30 06:37:00 - [29] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Specializing is for people who play PC where your side doesn't want someone who is a half assed sniper, logi, whatever they want someone who is fully skilled into the role. Having a little skill in many things may be better for pub matches, but I would hardly say that "specializing is for losers" its for people more concerned about end game rather than ISK grinding pub matches or FW. I rather be damn good at something for a specific purporse (scout). I do have 10 diff. scout suits to choose from, all doing diff. roles. Yup, I'm specialized.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 66	Posted - 2014.01.30 06:52:00 - [30] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. DAMN RIGHT!!! I'm logi,assult heavy, speced into tanks good at remotes on tanks and sniper! Caldari Loyalist

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2506	Posted - 2014.01.30 07:06:00 - [31] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. I run either a combat logi fit or medic logi fit but can proto min or cal assault and with 2 other other alts I can adv or proto everything. I also have a tanker alt. Have av and sniper logi fits on this char as well. You are right but for new players its best to specialise until they can effectively make alternate load outs I believe. Iv drunk some wine, hope that makes sense. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Teilka Darkmist 151	Posted - 2014.01.30 07:21:00 - [32] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. That's fine if you have the SP to do it. Specialsing in one role first makes it so you can be effective in at least one role. Once you've got a specialisation you can generalise and not worry about hurting the team along the way. I've specialised at sniper rilfes, but then have put SP into AR and RR as well When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1097	Posted - 2014.01.30 10:22:00 - [33] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: variety and the ability to change to any and every situation is what wins fights, or at the very least makes the specialised pay heavily. even though i'm a logi i still skill into as much alternate roles as possible to allow me to switch out when i'm not needed.at this point in time there is not a single role i'm unable to do at, atleast adv level. so when you snipe me expect to be sniped back, if you kill me in a tank expect a forge gunner or RE's. kill my buddies and i will logi the **** out of them. lone wolf my logi and i will come back in one of my many assaults/heavies for revenge and much much more. there is nothing you can throw at me that i can't throw back. I, then, am one of the biggest losers.


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