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Emo Skellington
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:07:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:NAV HIV wrote:You can carry a FG on an assault suit when i get to put on a 80gj ion cannon on my LAV
FG is fine doesnt need a nerf or a buff Doesn't make sense right ?! So saying that FG should be the only AV is like asking for 80g ion canons for LAVs
Have i said that FG should be the only AV? lolno
Anyway ive seen AV nades and swarms kill vehicles [/quote]
Yea but since 1.7 how often do you see AV grenade or swarm launcher kills? Hmm what was that? Rarely?
I wonder why? CCP! |
Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:19:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Anyway ive seen AV nades and swarms kill vehicles
And I've seen a sloth outrun a cheetah.
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Unholy HateGore
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:24:00 -
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Savage Mangler wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Anoko Destrolock wrote:Because an idiot with mlt swarm will die when running in front of a blaster tank.
Seriously though, for every 1 time I have decent swarms after me, I have 10 times that a ****** runs directly in front of my turret and fires mlt swarms in my face from 10 meters.
Buffing AV is NOT going to solve the issue of stupidity!
Good players rarely die to tanks. Why? They don't spas at a cru being camped. And they use cover effectively.
What are you gonna say about the idiots that actually specced into Full Proto AV + Proficiency and can't tickle a damn soma ?! This. However there are so few of us it doesn't matter. Honestly I just wish more playes were willing to pullout their AV. I don't know how many times that if just one blueberry pulled out a militia swarm and helped me out, my 4 shots from my forgegun would'nt have gone to waste.
Agreed. I seem to be the only one who does when ever I play. I only have an ADV swarm so one of me equals laughter in a tankers face. |
Unholy HateGore
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:29:00 -
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Emo Skellington wrote:No no no no... What CCP needs to do is to stop the nerfing of the Anti vehicles weaponry. The swarm launcher will, as of 1.7, not kill a tanker no matter how long he keeps at it. Swarm launchers + AV grenade should be able to kill a tank from 2 guys. When there is a tank out a single forge gunner should be able to take the tank out...that's what the forge gun is made for, but can also be used against med/short range infantry. They need to BUFF AV grenades and swarm launchers just a tiny bit but the tanks as of right now run just about any form of a hardner which makes it damn impossible to kill him with anything... so MAYBE Vehicle shield or armor hardners should be brought down some or the Anti vehicle weapons get a bonus against vehicles... But still to keep in mind tat a tank is a tank but can still be brought down by a man..
This game excels cause they kept it real (stat wise) minus the tanks which have become superman in the game and that SHOULG NOT be.
Well said |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:30:00 -
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Unholy HateGore wrote:Savage Mangler wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Anoko Destrolock wrote:Because an idiot with mlt swarm will die when running in front of a blaster tank.
Seriously though, for every 1 time I have decent swarms after me, I have 10 times that a ****** runs directly in front of my turret and fires mlt swarms in my face from 10 meters.
Buffing AV is NOT going to solve the issue of stupidity!
Good players rarely die to tanks. Why? They don't spas at a cru being camped. And they use cover effectively.
What are you gonna say about the idiots that actually specced into Full Proto AV + Proficiency and can't tickle a damn soma ?! This. However there are so few of us it doesn't matter. Honestly I just wish more playes were willing to pullout their AV. I don't know how many times that if just one blueberry pulled out a militia swarm and helped me out, my 4 shots from my forgegun would'nt have gone to waste. Agreed. I seem to be the only one who does when ever I play. I only have an ADV swarm so one of me equals laughter in a tankers face.
I laugh at Proto swarms when i sit in my Madrugar.... |
Unholy HateGore
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:31:00 -
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Emo Skellington wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:NAV HIV wrote:You can carry a FG on an assault suit when i get to put on a 80gj ion cannon on my LAV
FG is fine doesnt need a nerf or a buff Doesn't make sense right ?! So saying that FG should be the only AV is like asking for 80g ion canons for LAVs Have i said that FG should be the only AV? lolno Anyway ive seen AV nades and swarms kill vehicles
Yea but since 1.7 how often do you see AV grenade or swarm launcher kills? Hmm what was that? Rarely?
I wonder why? CCP![/quote]
Only if you catch them between shield or armor hardener cool down times and you better be quick. Most of the time before you can do anything though the tank sprints away like the flash to rebuild armor or shields. |
Unholy HateGore
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:33:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Unholy HateGore wrote:Savage Mangler wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Anoko Destrolock wrote:Because an idiot with mlt swarm will die when running in front of a blaster tank.
Seriously though, for every 1 time I have decent swarms after me, I have 10 times that a ****** runs directly in front of my turret and fires mlt swarms in my face from 10 meters.
Buffing AV is NOT going to solve the issue of stupidity!
Good players rarely die to tanks. Why? They don't spas at a cru being camped. And they use cover effectively.
What are you gonna say about the idiots that actually specced into Full Proto AV + Proficiency and can't tickle a damn soma ?! This. However there are so few of us it doesn't matter. Honestly I just wish more playes were willing to pullout their AV. I don't know how many times that if just one blueberry pulled out a militia swarm and helped me out, my 4 shots from my forgegun would'nt have gone to waste. Agreed. I seem to be the only one who does when ever I play. I only have an ADV swarm so one of me equals laughter in a tankers face. I laugh at Proto swarms when i sit in my Madrugar....
You wouldn't if I lock on with my proto Forge LOL, unless you turn and run which soooooo many tankers do. |
Eko Sol
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:35:00 -
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Swarms are useless for AV at this point. The range sucks, damage sucks, and they can't attack infantry. It's pointless. I used to use it but i have more success with RE's and AV grenades than I ever did with swarm launchers. And so many people come out with swarms they get picked off by the rasberries with normal weapons.
Saying tanks are OP because people have to get in front of you to kill you is plain stupid. They have to get in front of you b/c this ******* game gives no ******* cover for a person trying to use a swarm not to mention the corner glitching of blaster bullets penatrating the corners and killing people with swarms to begin with. Swarms require that you have dead aim. Not partial aim. Not aim between between rail bars where you can see 99% of the tank. It requires you to be in the dead open. Thinking about how many lower tier AV builds I lost learning this makes me a little frustrated to say the least.
You go RE and AV grenade combo or RE and Flux grenade combo and hope for the best and some forge help. Put your two or three RE's on and get away and wait for it's shields to be fluxed or something and boom unless you were able to get a whole ish load of re's on there. Then there is jihad jeep which makes people rage so hard it gives jeep peeps ragers.
But again, swarms are highly misleading and the most useless weapon there is in the game at this point. The only way to properly make tanks defeatable and to allow for swarms to have some ability is to nerf tank speed by at least 50%. Nothing less. The fact that you can run away from a point blank swarm launch and not get hit is an example of broken balance.
If I'm standing in front of you and you are out of bullets in your tank then I should be able to land at least 3 swarms on you before you are out of range...period. can't increase the range b/c it's not fair to drop ships. can't increase damage b/c it's not fair to dropships. The only thing that makes sense is to nerf tank speed. A forge and a rail tank keep a dropship at bay pretty easily...adding swarm to the mix wouldn't be balanced. Nerf tank speed. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:40:00 -
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You wouldn't if I lock on with my proto Forge LOL, unless you turn and run which soooooo many tankers do.[/quote]
That Fuel injector thingy isn't it?! It's fun... Sometime i try racing dropships too... |
Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:45:00 -
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Anoko Destrolock wrote:Similarly, noobs with mlt ARs and installations can't kill the MCC by shoot at it. Buffing mlt AR Dmg by 100000x and increasing range to 1000m is not the solution.
The solution is to find a different way to kill it! In this case, cap an objective.
In the case of swarms vs tanks, use a better swarm, better suit, Dmg mods etc.
AND play smarter. Attacking from 10m and standing still in front of a turret is extremely stupid..... But soo many people do it.
They do it out of desperation, you seem to think that everyone had proto AV gear and simply choose to use a militia swarm because they are stupid. What happens instead is the new players get tired of dying by tanks, so they grab what is available to them, militia swarms, and they try to kill or at least deter the tank, hopelessly. You see the one 10 meters in front of you because your infantry killed the other ones because they can't defend themselves or you killed them as you camped their spawn. How is it that suddenly AV players all got incredibly stupid and incompetent when they kicked the **** out of tanks in 1.6? Your answer will probably be that AV was OP in 1.6. I hope you see the irony. |
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C Saunders
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:47:00 -
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Large Blaster turrets are the imbalance, remove them and tanks would be balanced.
Wont happen though. |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:55:00 -
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Anoko Destrolock wrote:Because an idiot with mlt swarm will die when running in front of a blaster tank.
Seriously though, for every 1 time I have decent swarms after me, I have 10 times that a ****** runs directly in front of my turret and fires mlt swarms in my face from 10 meters.
Buffing AV is NOT going to solve the issue of stupidity!
Good players rarely die to tanks. Why? They don't spas at a cru being camped. And they use cover effectively.
Actually (guna have to be that guy) tanks are also op because the number of tanks that are able to be droped in a game 7 tanks on enemy side once.
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