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Denn Maell wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

I hope they don't to be honest. will keep DUST a lot more interesting, Having people improvise and make new fits and builds with their race and role they have always had anyway.

Then the race to the new OP Fotm Suit and equip while everyone grinds and plays alot trying to get there.

If CCp just goes... Oh here is all your SP, infantry peoples... .Wow the 1-3 month old players are just going to get slaughtered.... We are gonna see an mass influx of the same theory crafted best suit running around like the Caldari logistics and everyone is going to get bored with the "New content" and respec in a week, two tops.. Because they never really had to earn or do much for it.

But hey its "Easy" *\o/*

True, its hard to justify a respec over mere changes(no matter how extensive) in a game where we have no overall SP cap, and can just grind more to get the shiny new stuff. Plus, the 5xWP event we just had would be a great way to save SP for the new stuff.

I remember one of the Dev's saying a respec is 'Disruptive' to the player continuity and they wanted to limit it to one more:when racial parity is at 100%.

At this point a respec would be a nice gesture, but I highly doubt its in the works.

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N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 16	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:55:00 - [1] - Quote Will there be an sp reimbursement of the dropsuit command and weaponry skill trees? I would assume so because all racial suits and weapons will be released, but most likely not. After all this is CCP we're talking about. Thoughts and opinions please. Shed some light on these rumors i've been hearing. Thank you.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3298	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:01:00 - [2] - Quote Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 613	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:03:00 - [3] - Quote if they r completely redoing the entire dropsuit skill tree changing bonuses and everythings like what they did with tanks. i would assume soo.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1759	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:03:00 - [4] - Quote I wish there was a weapon respec don't want my dummy AR it's like a nerf gun now :( Armor and Shields are not the same!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10425	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:08:00 - [5] - Quote If there's not a full infantry respec you all can have it. 2 years of this rollercoaster has been just about enough for this clone. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2880	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:10:00 - [6] - Quote Yea, what FOP said. Probably on the dropsuits. But on the weapons...ehhhh....probably not Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Sports Dude 270	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:11:00 - [7] - Quote Im hoping for a infantry respec, if there is none ill leave silently for a long time most likely. if its only dropsuits wont matter. Want to change up a lot.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 393	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:18:00 - [8] - Quote I actually think it will be Dropsuit Command and Weaponry. Dropsuit Command is obvious. Weaponry is because of the massive change to Assaults and Commando requiring people to either use Racial Weapons or just be completely inferior. Dropsuit Upgrades, probably not as regardless of what you are using, you would want more passive Armor or Shields.
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:22:00 - [9] - Quote I'm thinking the full infantry respec with the bonus logi skills affecting equipment too. People are going to want to specialize even more into certain roles when 1.8 hits.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 381	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:26:00 - [10] - Quote SP event taken into account I think that we will not be seeing a respec Cheer up a bit will you (n+ëGùòpâ«Gùò)n+ë:n+Ñn+ƒG£º:n+Ñn+ƒG£º Personal best K/A/D in 1.7 26/5/1
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2411	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:28:00 - [11] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 I've heard from a few CPM's (THAT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS) that Dropsuits and Weapons are the most likely respecs. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 60	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:38:00 - [12] - Quote I hope dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrade, and weapons all get respec. Assault and Logistic suit bonuses are changing, so people may want to change what equipment and modules they use. With new heavy and scout suits as well, people may want to switch from the current heavy/scout suits to the new ones, or switch from their current suits. The commando suits also have different weapon specialization to consider. Plus, it would give many newer players the chance that beta players had in re-thinking their SP choices over-all to make for better characters in general.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 70	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:40:00 - [13] - Quote Hope for full one. Support - Tactician/Support
N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 18	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:17:00 - [14] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: I hope dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrade, and weapons all get respec. Plus, it would give many newer players the chance that beta players had in re-thinking their SP choices over-all to make for better characters in general. I hope so. I always run into new guys who didn't specialize from the beginning. Help the blues!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5535	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:19:00 - [15] - Quote I'm honestly hoping that it's a full respec. I'd like to leave my Gunnlogi behind in favor of logibro'ing. Those new bonuses look awesome. I'm expecting at the very least a dropsuit command respec. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4185	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:20:00 - [16] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 I've heard from a few CPM's (THAT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS) that Dropsuits and Weapons are the most likely respecs. I can only imagine that all will be respec as they all have a relation to each other. Just like the vehicle skill. Sure they could have kept the turret skills and just refunded the ones that have been revoked but it wouldn't be ethical.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 110	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:20:00 - [17] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: I hope dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrade, and weapons all get respec. puts on best space marine voice acting Hope is first step to disappointment. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3312	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 I've heard from a few CPM's (THAT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS) that Dropsuits and Weapons are the most likely respecs. Why weapons? If anything it should be modules.... Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2421	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:26:00 - [19] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 I've heard from a few CPM's (THAT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS) that Dropsuits and Weapons are the most likely respecs. Why weapons? If anything it should be modules.... Possibly because Upgrades skills are almost never wasted SP. Weapons on the other hand..... I'm fine either way. I got more SP in weapons than I do in Upgrades (only by a little), and will only take 2-3 weapons to proto if respeced. The rest will go into optomizing my Upgrades. I will have exactly 1 proto suit in 1.8, and this will be my Minja Heck, all of my skills are build around running a single Minja fit that costs around 17 mil SP to run the MINIMUM on the suit. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1000	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:34:00 - [20] - Quote I hope they don't to be honest. will keep DUST a lot more interesting, Having people improvise and make new fits and builds with their race and role they have always had anyway. Then the race to the new OP Fotm Suit and equip while everyone grinds and plays alot trying to get there. If CCp just goes... Oh here is all your SP, infantry peoples... .Wow the 1-3 month old players are just going to get slaughtered.... We are gonna see an mass influx of the same theory crafted best suit running around like the Caldari logistics and everyone is going to get bored with the "New content" and respec in a week, two tops.. Because they never really had to earn or do much for it. But hey its "Easy" \o/
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 148	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:54:00 - [21] - Quote Personally I'd like a full one (I'm very tired of my completely useless decked out AR tree that I don't use any longer). However, I'll last if there was just a drop suit tree respect. I would like the upgrade tree though given the changes to equipment. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2274	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:10:00 - [22] - Quote If racial parity for infantry is the goal, then it should be Command, Upgrades, and Weaponry just to give players the ability to spec Factionally correct fittings and be able to use FW and the LP Store properly, as was the original intention of those contracts. Natalie Portman.
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation 2426	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:47:00 - [23] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 worded perfectly Level 2 Forum Warrior
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 534	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:23:00 - [24] - Quote Weapons should be getting a respect, since suits will now be bonused for certain weapons. Dropsuit command should be getting a respect, because we are getting all the dropsuits and changing bonuses on the ones we have. Dropsuit upgrades should get a respect, since you may be going to assault out of logi, so you don't need all the equipment. Or your getting an armor suit and wont be using your proto shield mods anymore.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 86	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:42:00 - [25] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Weapons should be getting a respect, since suits will now be bonused for certain weapons. Dropsuit command should be getting a respect, because we are getting all the dropsuits and changing bonuses on the ones we have. Dropsuit upgrades should get a respect, since you may be going to assault out of logi, so you don't need all the equipment. Or your getting an armor suit and wont be using your proto shield mods anymore. Thats exact point. There is too many changes and from taht reason full respec should be esential. Support - Tactician/Support
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 128	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:49:00 - [26] - Quote Bethhy wrote: I hope they don't to be honest. will keep DUST a lot more interesting, Having people improvise and make new fits and builds with their race and role they have always had anyway. Then the race to the new OP Fotm Suit and equip while everyone grinds and plays alot trying to get there. If CCp just goes... Oh here is all your SP, infantry peoples... .Wow the 1-3 month old players are just going to get slaughtered.... We are gonna see an mass influx of the same theory crafted best suit running around like the Caldari logistics and everyone is going to get bored with the "New content" and respec in a week, two tops.. Because they never really had to earn or do much for it. But hey its "Easy" \o/ True, its hard to justify a respec over mere changes(no matter how extensive) in a game where we have no overall SP cap, and can just grind more to get the shiny new stuff. Plus, the 5xWP event we just had would be a great way to save SP for the new stuff. I remember one of the Dev's saying a respec is 'Disruptive' to the player continuity and they wanted to limit it to one more:when racial parity is at 100%. At this point a respec would be a nice gesture, but I highly doubt its in the works. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 19	Posted - 2014.01.29 14:49:00 - [27] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Bethhy wrote: I hope they don't to be honest. will keep DUST a lot more interesting, Having people improvise and make new fits and builds with their race and role they have always had anyway. Then the race to the new OP Fotm Suit and equip while everyone grinds and plays alot trying to get there. If CCp just goes... Oh here is all your SP, infantry peoples... .Wow the 1-3 month old players are just going to get slaughtered.... We are gonna see an mass influx of the same theory crafted best suit running around like the Caldari logistics and everyone is going to get bored with the "New content" and respec in a week, two tops.. Because they never really had to earn or do much for it. But hey its "Easy" \o/ True, its hard to justify a respec over mere changes(no matter how extensive) in a game where we have no overall SP cap, and can just grind more to get the shiny new stuff. Plus, the 5xWP event we just had would be a great way to save SP for the new stuff. I remember one of the Dev's saying a respec is 'Disruptive' to the player continuity and they wanted to limit it to one more:when racial parity is at 100%. At this point a respec would be a nice gesture, but I highly doubt its in the works. So when do you think we'll reach 100% racial parity? Half a year? After 1.8 there will still be a lack of weapons for some races.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 605	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:06:00 - [28] - Quote Dropsuit command and upgrades very likely, but weapons no. They release two new weapons in 1.7 and no respecs were given. They are releasing new sidearms in 1.8 and I think they'll follow the suit of not allowing you to respec your weapon trees either.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 211	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:09:00 - [29] - Quote I think the sensible thing for CCP to do would be to AT LEAST give us dropsuit command respecs. That would satisfy most people and would be totally plausible considering the upcoming changes. A full respec would also be very welcome but I would not moan if we just got the dropsuit tree points back to reallocate.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1373	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:20:00 - [30] - Quote Bethhy wrote: I hope they don't to be honest. will keep DUST a lot more interesting, Having people improvise and make new fits and builds with their race and role they have always had anyway. Then the race to the new OP Fotm Suit and equip while everyone grinds and plays alot trying to get there. If CCp just goes... Oh here is all your SP, infantry peoples... .Wow the 1-3 month old players are just going to get slaughtered.... We are gonna see an mass influx of the same theory crafted best suit running around like the Caldari logistics and everyone is going to get bored with the "New content" and respec in a week, two tops.. Because they never really had to earn or do much for it. But hey its "Easy" \o/ My solution to that is that if CCP gives us a respec and a majority percentage of players goes into said "theorycrafted best suit", CCP should nerf it with fire!!!! I believe that would teach the FoTM chasing bitches to be more careful with their choices. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:44:00 - [31] - Quote I am hoping for a full respec CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 21	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:37:00 - [32] - Quote Bump. Don't die on me thread!
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 287	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:45:00 - [33] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 Id hope modules don't! If your a Logi I want you to PAY! Gÿé Syeven 514
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:54:00 - [34] - Quote I think it is interesting that the primary complaint in getting refunded SP is that "people will spec into FOTM/OP stuff." That is kind of like saying "the IRS shouldn't give out tax refunds because people will spend it on prostitutes and drugs." I would hope that an overpowered option wouldn't exist and if it does, it would be balanced out in a fairly short order. After all, the fit/flavor of the month is generally short lasting. Even then, don't punish the average person with the hookers and blow argument.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 697	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:04:00 - [35] - Quote Just give everyone a respec and call it a day.
Marc Rime 237	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:30:00 - [36] - Quote People seem to confuse "I want this to be the case" with "it is likely this will be the case".
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 560	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:36:00 - [37] - Quote I've been staunchly anti-repsec, as it devalues long term planning, but I think in this case it'd be warranted. Whether or not there should be a respec should depend on availability of informed choices. For example, if all racial rifle figures were released--but only the AR was available--then someone would have had the knowledge to spec into the AR or wait. Similarly with all the dropsuits. Given that we didn't know anything about other Heavies, and considering that suit bonuses are changing, which greatly affect choice and decisions made, then giving a respec is understandable. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 55	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:39:00 - [38] - Quote N7 Operative Anthony wrote: Thoughts and opinions please. Shed some light on these rumors i've been hearing. Thank you. Aren't these all over the place already?? Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 48	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:41:00 - [39] - Quote I can see a Dropsuit respec happening but not Core Upgrades or Weapons. Core Upgrades, as a previous post stated, can't be considered wasted SP and Weapons because they are so cheap to get into (unless you need proficiency Lvl 5 to compete).
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6274	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:05:00 - [40] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Dropsuits 99% yes Weapons....no.....99% no Dropsuit modules? 50/50 I've heard from a few CPM's (THAT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS) that Dropsuits and Weapons are the most likely respecs. I've heard this too which is quite odd considering that the dropsuits slot layouts and CPU/PG values are all changing so naturally what you need to best fit it to your playstyle in Dropsuit Upgrades also completely changes. Especially for Amarr players, who up until this point were portrayed as the dual-tankers of Dust and are now the heaviest armor tankers of Dust. All those skills into shield modules now essentially wasted. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Requin Toblat Glitched Connection 17	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:21:00 - [41] - Quote N7 Operative Anthony wrote: Will there be an sp reimbursement of the dropsuit command and weaponry skill trees? I would assume so because all racial suits and weapons will be released, but most likely not. After all this is CCP we're talking about. Thoughts and opinions please. Shed some light on these rumors i've been hearing. Thank you. Technically they don't have too for assaults and logo's as only the bonuses will be changed, not the skill tree itself, but I think Dropsuit command will get the respec due to player (and possibly CPM) pressure. If the assault & logis get a respec, then they will probably have to respec the Dropsuit Upgrade tree as well. It's slightly different for the heavies as there are 6 (9 if you include the basics) new racial classes of heavies being introduced, scouts as well, as there are 2 new racial scout classes. So they should all get the respec, as Heavy and Scout players have not had the same chance to spend their SP into their preffered racial suits as the assault & Logis have. It is not quite the same as the recent vehicle respec, because the skill tree changed for vehicles a big way and removed some vehicles from the market, not just bonuses and additional gear. TLDR; Player & CPM pressure will win out and Dropsuit Command & Dropsuit Ugrades will get the respect
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1317	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:22:00 - [42] - Quote Well I think it should be all or nothing, too many thing effect other things, like say a guy was holding out for a caldari heavy but figured hey I ll go logistics in the meantime, now you got mad equipment for a suit that has no use for it, so even if you just get suit sp back your royally screwed! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Requin Toblat Glitched Connection 17	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 - [43] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I'm honestly hoping that it's a full respec. I'd like to leave my Gunnlogi behind in favor of logibro'ing. Those new bonuses look awesome. I'm expecting at the very least a drop suit command respec. You just had a respec! Our turn
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2346	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 - [44] - Quote Has to be tbh Dropsuit respec - yes, has to be the bonuses are changing Upgrades respec - yes again the logi bonuses are changing and you want to use say nanohives with your fave suit to get the bonus out of it Weapons respec - yes again because some suits have bonuses for the weapons The respec isnt a bad idea, they are chanign infantry again, its not as big as a change as vehicles but its worth a respec due to what is changing Intelligence is OP
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1703	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:25:00 - [45] - Quote i wouldn't mind getting my sp spent into the ammar heavy i'd honestly prefer a caldari or gallentte heavy.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 167	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:45:00 - [46] - Quote Just give respecs for everyone! Maybe we will retain some of the people who show up for the respec. It'd would have all the excitement of Uprising's "release", but hopefully none of the problems.
thecoolest guy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:53:00 - [47] - Quote I'm almost 100% certain that there may or may not be a respec.
N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 22	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:40:00 - [48] - Quote thecoolest guy wrote: I'm almost 100% certain that there may or may not be a respec. your a genius!

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