DUST Search - Why does DUST need an End-user license agreement?

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B. RIGHTS TO CERTAIN CONTENT
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, e.g., by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including without limitation all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and other intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.

Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain User Personal Details in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever.

You hereby irrevocably, and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account. To the extent that any such rights are not assignable, you hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of such information, in any medium now known or hereafter developed.

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Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 381	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:11:00 - [1] - Quote So there was a little thing that caught my attention today when I logged on... This EULA shows up on the fist page at login. Please tell me there are other people out there that read their licensing agreements. Does this mean the possible integration of a subscription fee? Does this mean that DUST may release on home PC's? Is this simply to cover CCP's assets when the market goes live? Thoughts and feedback please... Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
CRYPT3C W0LF MK.V 304	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:12:00 - [2] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: So there was a little thing that caught my attention today when I logged on... This EULA shows up on the fist page at login. Please tell me there are other people out there that read their licensing agreements. Does this mean the possible integration of a subscription fee? Does this mean that DUST may release on home PC's? Is this simply to cover CCP's assets when the market goes live? Thoughts and feedback please... Does this mean that you cant read the EULA and find out? :P Ahhhh.... CPM? Nononono
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2871	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:16:00 - [3] - Quote No, no, no, and no. You need to know and understand these things if you buy electronics. The PS3 you play on, is not yours. It is owned by Sony and the EULA is a agreement you have with Sony to use their product. It is licensed to you, that doesn't mean its yours. Everytime you buy a game or electronic device, there's some End User License Agreement. The EULA is designed to protect the entity behind the EULA. It is an understanding between the entity and the end user on what you can and cannot do with their product. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 381	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:16:00 - [4] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Chesyre Armundsen wrote: So there was a little thing that caught my attention today when I logged on... This EULA shows up on the fist page at login. Please tell me there are other people out there that read their licensing agreements. Does this mean the possible integration of a subscription fee? Does this mean that DUST may release on home PC's? Is this simply to cover CCP's assets when the market goes live? Thoughts and feedback please... Does this mean that you cant read the EULA and find out? :P Sorry. Perhaps my wording was a bit off. Yes I read the agreement, and was just looking for comments from other people. >_< Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 60	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:21:00 - [5] - Quote Since this is a MMO of sorts, with voice chat between people, I think CCP is just wanting to protect themselves against any lawsuits people might file if there is any excessive verbal abuse or bullying that might happen between players. The above along with the standard stuff about how you can use the game, how it goes against the agreement to hack the game or use it in a way against how it is allowed, that sort of thing.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 393	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:24:00 - [6] - Quote Any online game is going to have an EULA, especially if it is account based. BF2 had one when you got online. The main thing is that it states "you are using our product. If you do things with the product we do not endorse, cheating/hacking/breaking the EULA, we can ban you."
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 381	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:30:00 - [7] - Quote I'm trying to find a copy of the digital EULA that came up at the beginning of the game which I believe was different than the one currently on the website. I thought I read a more detailed article 4. about "Fees and Payment Terms" than what is shown in the website agreement. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Lorhak Gannarsein 1403	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:32:00 - [8] - Quote Delete your DUST data from Saved Data; should put you trough the EULA again. No, I'm not telling you to biomass yourself, I'm serious. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2873	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:33:00 - [9] - Quote LOL! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 381	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:00:00 - [10] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Delete your DUST data from Saved Data; should put you trough the EULA again. No, I'm not telling you to biomass yourself, I'm serious. I'll just look under the "Legal" section of the UI, thanks. Just seems weird that there's a EULA tab today, which I assume means an amendment. I only find it odd when I see something like: Section 1. (ii) establish a valid account within the Game (an "Account") and keep that Account active by paying any Fees on a timely basis I have confirmation that this was part of the agreement Dec. 5, 2013. Anyone have a clue what changed? Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"

Vag Eye Lenol Planetary Asset Protection Services 26	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:03:00 - [11] - Quote Pretty sneak putting it in the normal X button mashing sequence... just say'n
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 613	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:09:00 - [12] - Quote i dont really think many ppl bother to read those things anyways. they should pay us to read them they r just 2 damn long.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4410	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:16:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: and keep that Account active by paying any Fees on a timely basis just a bit of harmless future proofing i think, transitioning from f2p to a subscription model would be a big and very rare move on CCP's part. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 133	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:19:00 - [14] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: So there was a little thing that caught my attention today when I logged on... This EULA shows up on the fist page at login. Please tell me there are other people out there that read their licensing agreements. Does this mean the possible integration of a subscription fee? Does this mean that DUST may release on home PC's? Is this simply to cover CCP's assets when the market goes live? Thoughts and feedback please... You might become a human centipad if you dont read it 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 60	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:27:00 - [15] - Quote gbghg wrote: Quote: and keep that Account active by paying any Fees on a timely basis just a bit of harmless future proofing i think, transitioning from f2p to a subscription model would be a big and very rare move on CCP's part. If they move to a subscription they might lose the 3,000 people who play the game now, but if they want a FPS game where only 300 people play at any time, they could go ahead and make the switch.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1406	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:30:00 - [16] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Delete your DUST data from Saved Data; should put you trough the EULA again. No, I'm not telling you to biomass yourself, I'm serious. I'll just look under the "Legal" section of the UI, thanks. Just seems weird that there's a EULA tab today, which I assume means an amendment. I only find it odd when I see something like: Section 1. (ii) establish a valid account within the Game (an "Account") and keep that Account active by paying any Fees on a timely basis I have confirmation that this was part of the agreement Dec. 5, 2013. Anyone have a clue what changed? Data is stored server-side, like any online game, so it's no big deal Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Cooper Eudaemon DUST University Ivy League 168	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:35:00 - [17] - Quote Nothing changed, as far as I can tell. There were some very minor changes to Dust because CCP rolled out a new version of EVE, Rubicon, with this morning's downtime. It reset the counters that show how long you've been with your corp, and it requires you to agree to the EULA again, just like you did when you first installed Dust, and every time they roll out a new version of Dust. You may also have noticed that you had to agree that your corporation's section of the forum is not policed by CCP, just like you did the first time you went to that section. TL;DR It's not a change, they just reset stuff so you have to agree again. I need a break from Dust! I'll just go hop on the forums... I need a break from the forums! I'll just go hop on Dust...
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 126	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:45:00 - [18] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Delete your DUST data from Saved Data; should put you trough the EULA again. No, I'm not telling you to biomass yourself, I'm serious. I'll just look under the "Legal" section of the UI, thanks. Just seems weird that there's a EULA tab today, which I assume means an amendment. I only find it odd when I see something like: Section 1. (ii) establish a valid account within the Game (an "Account") and keep that Account active by paying any Fees on a timely basis I have confirmation that this was part of the agreement Dec. 5, 2013. Anyone have a clue what changed? In hind sight its absence until now strikes me as the most interesting. It could be a harmless oversight, something they just didn't remember until now. Or the legal team at CCP is cleaning house and some one noticed the EULA wasn't in a more prominent location. One thing I'll have to double check on is if there is anything in there concerning micro transactions. CCP was in hot water when they yanked BPOs and refunded it with Aurum instead of real cash in certain countries. Was there anything in there about CCP holding the right to delete in game content? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 382	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:01:00 - [19] - Quote Portions of the EULA that may pertain to BPO issues would likely be Quote: CCP may amend this EULA from time to time by posting an amended version at http://www.dust514.com/eula/ and/or notifying you when you attempt to log in to the System, as set out in Section 13 below. If you accept this EULA, the then-current version of this EULA shall apply each time you access the System or play DUST 514. In section 4. Fees and Payment Terms it states: Quote: All items for use within the Game may expire ... as a result of Software upgrades or other changes to the Game; or on the date CCP ceases to offer or support the game. Finally: Quote: B. RIGHTS TO CERTAIN CONTENT You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, e.g., by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including without limitation all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and other intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved. Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain User Personal Details in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever. You hereby irrevocably, and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account. To the extent that any such rights are not assignable, you hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of such information, in any medium now known or hereafter developed. So to paraphrase: CCP has 100% exclusive right to alter/add/delete content, including BPOs and other items at whim. They can also amend the license agreement whenever they choose. The underlying fact here is that CCP owns all components of the game. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:47:00 - [20] - Quote The one thing CCP doesn't have a right to is making money. Honestly if they would actually be foolish enough to delete items that people have paid for, they will find people very reluctant to actually buy items and this being free to play they need people to buy items. Of course I think any chance of making money on the game was tossed away with the removal of BPOs. As for the agreement, it's not a huge deal. Mostly legal speak. What matters is what CCP actually does.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4383	Posted - 2014.01.29 07:55:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No, no, no, and no. You need to know and understand these things if you buy electronics. The PS3 you play on, is not yours. It is owned by Sony and the EULA is a agreement you have with Sony to use their product. It is licensed to you, that doesn't mean its yours. Everytime you buy a game or electronic device, there's some End User License Agreement. The EULA is designed to protect the entity behind the EULA. It is an understanding between the entity and the end user on what you can and cannot do with their product. Actually, the PS3 you buy is yours. You own the machine, but you DON'T own the rights to the technology inside and can't legally reverse engineer it or sell/share knowledge about how to bypass any security measures taken to safeguard the technology inside it. On purchase of a PS3, barring any agreements you may have made with Sony prior to purchase, you have a legal right to open up your hardware or hack the firmware and figure out how to mod things to suit your liking, as long as you don't share that knowledge and help other people to do the same - especially if those others have made agreements with Sony to not do such things. When you buy a game or any other software, in most cases, the purchase is simply a license agreement allowing you the USE of the product, not ownership of the product itself, but the physical hardware IS yours to own. The EULA that you agree to when creating a PSN or SEN account is what limits your rights - many of the usual rights of ownership are given up by someone who signs up for an online account with Sony (see the above - if you have a PSN or SEN account before purchasing your PS3, the conditions of that account's EULA apply prior to purchase). If you don't create an account, and consequently don't agree to the terms and conditions of an account, your PS3 remains yours, and you can hack/mod your console freely, you just can't share information about how you did it because that would be a copyright violation, and could potentially leave you open to some pretty serious charges. When you buy a game or any other software, it's almost always a license you purchase rather than the software itself. You don't own the software, only a license giving you specific limited rights about how you can use it. DUST needs its own EULA for the same reason any other game or software does. Also, if there was no EULA, players would be well within their rights to create their own super-Dropsuit BPO with 7 high and low slots, 5 equipment, grenades and 2 heavy weapon slots, and fit them with a custom-altered HMG which hits with Forge Gun damage and has 0.5s reload time and the range profile of the Thale's Sniper Rifle.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2112	Posted - 2014.01.29 09:02:00 - [22] - Quote This is not new - Dust has always had an EULA and you agreed to it the first time you loaded up the game. From time to time you'll be asked to agree to it again for various reasons including small changes to the game/agreement but for the most part it's pretty much always the same standard stuff. Some of the statements in there are to protect CCP, some to protect other players, some to protect you and some of it is to give CCP the legal flexibility to change/add/delete things in the future. As for the CCP-BPO bashing people have alluded to already in this thread - CCP have repeatedly stated that BPOs were not functioning according to their long term plan but that their place in the game will be revised and one day they will return, just in a slightly different form. A free market will never work when people have an infinite free supply of anything. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.


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