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demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 377	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:08:00 - [1] - Quote So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching
2100 Angels The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 296	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:16:00 - [2] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4336	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:18:00 - [3] - Quote Bad idea is bad. Scouts should be the only ones that can fit a Cloak without having to sacrifice much. Not to say that other suits shouldn't be able to fit them, just that it's very hard to. Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Toby Flenderson research lab 218	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:21:00 - [4] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style Specialized roles are a good thing. If they were more specialized maybe there wouldn't be 90% of players using medium suits for every situation. It doesn't really limit creativity, it just limits what one suit (yes I'm thinking logi ATM) can do. If you want to do everything, you'll just need more SP.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 402	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:23:00 - [5] - Quote Probably because the forums if CCP put sniper bonuses on any suit as that would be their unofficial way of endorsing it... But I do agree. EVE is like this, and I'm sure some day it will be like that in DUST too "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Sgt Buttscratch 1415	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:24:00 - [6] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching I still kill these *****, they are usually ** snipers, poor positioning, no awareness of their weak spots, poor retreat paths, If its a heavy, I'll sneak upfield with my Thail scout, logi gets the Kaaly scout. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 377	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:26:00 - [7] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style and sit in the redline where sometimes even an orbital cant get you? get the **** out
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 377	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:27:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching I still kill these *****, they are usually ** snipers, poor positioning, no awareness of their weak spots, poor retreat paths, If its a heavy, I'll sneak upfield with my Thail scout, logi gets the Kaaly scout. how you going to do this when you cant get to them
Sgt Buttscratch 1415	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:28:00 - [9] - Quote I do think that there should be a specialised suit for sniping, a variant of assualt, which looses base def and defense slots, gains damage, dampening. The idea to alter CPU/PG aint a bad one, maybe have it done a tad different. In the end this kind of idea would be shunned, people like how versitile and diverse characters are, they think all classes should be able to do just about anything, thats why EVERY man and his dog is either A logi slayer, fatty with light weapon or a **** tanker....diverse514...lol I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 378	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:30:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I do think that there should be a specialised suit for sniping, a variant of assualt, which looses base def and defense slots, gains damage, dampening. The idea to alter CPU/PG aint a bad one, maybe have it done a tad different. In the end this kind of idea would be shunned, people like how versitile and diverse characters are, they think all classes should be able to do just about anything, thats why EVERY man and his dog is either A logi slayer, fatty with light weapon or a **** tanker....diverse514...lol you mean how logis can do anything and everything in the game, im sure one day a logi will figure out how to use a forgegun, and he'll use it better than a heavy can, because logis are just the jack of all trades with a master degree

Sgt Buttscratch 1415	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:33:00 - [11] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching I still kill these *****, they are usually snipers, poor positioning, no awareness of their weak spots, poor retreat paths, If its a heavy, I'll sneak upfield with my Thail scout, logi gets the Kaaly scout. how you going to do this when you cant get to them I snipe, I know where they are sniping from, I have a few things I do while I'm sniping, or even on a team with snipers. When I find a good spot, I'll spend time looking at where I would counter this from. I take mental note of where other snipers go, especially the better snipers and also Thales snipers, I will usually run into them within a few days and they are in that spot. Head glitching is iffy, half the time people don't even know they are doing it, its actually a rendering issue for the sniper trying to hit you. Some people do know where to sit to get the ** working in their favor, but 95% of the time there is an angle. I havea few other lil tricks I only share with friends, allowing for out ranging thales and whatnots, but that isn't for the common forum peoples. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Sgt Buttscratch 1415	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:35:00 - [12] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I do think that there should be a specialised suit for sniping, a variant of assualt, which looses base def and defense slots, gains damage, dampening. The idea to alter CPU/PG aint a bad one, maybe have it done a tad different. In the end this kind of idea would be shunned, people like how versitile and diverse characters are, they think all classes should be able to do just about anything, thats why EVERY man and his dog is either A logi slayer, fatty with light weapon or a **** tanker....diverse514...lol you mean how logis can do anything and everything in the game, im sure one day a logi will figure out how to use a forgegun, and he'll use it better than a heavy can, because logis are just the jack of all trades with a master degree Thats exactly the diversity I speak of loool. People will defend that though careful..look what happened to the lazer rifle when it hurt a logi I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6247	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:37:00 - [13] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style Not necessarily. For example so tech, examples of this in EVE, are specifically designed to be used with certain other gears, or better by certain gears. In this case Scouts and cloaks. In EVE logistics Ships have bonuses to Shield Transporters and Remote Armour reppers. etc. Defining roles in Dust 514 is not necessarily a bad thing. Some suit/weapon combinations are potentially game breaking. Limiting ones options is not always such a bad thing....limit them too much however...... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4150	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:39:00 - [14] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching Somebody is salty. But i'll explain why. Because Dust is about diversity. Why the scout bonus? well. The cloak IS an equipment piece focused on scouts, scouts that already have low HP stats. So in order to PREVENT the abuse of the equipment CCP has made them very difficult to fit. Of course you can always use CPU and PG modules on a Logi/Med frame , but you would be sacrificing HP TANK in order to fit the piece of equipment , lowering you to regular Med frame HP. Overall, you still have more HP than a scout. You have he same Cloak, but you lack the E-war. BALANCE. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2880	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:40:00 - [15] - Quote If they did pick a suit to pair with the sniper rifle it should be a light frame. It would limit damage module and plate stacking. The new cloak is a specialty item. Normally I prefer flexibility in fittings so I'd rather see some form of bonus from suit to gun but allow other suits to snipe without penalty. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 378	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:48:00 - [16] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching Somebody is salty. But i'll explain why. Because Dust is about diversity. Why the scout bonus? well. The cloak IS an equipment piece focused on scouts, scouts that already have low HP stats. So in order to PREVENT the abuse of the equipment CCP has made them very difficult to fit. Of course you can always use CPU and PG modules on a Logi/Med frame , but you would be sacrificing HP TANK in order to fit the piece of equipment , lowering you to regular Med frame HP. Overall, you still have more HP than a scout. You have he same Cloak, but you lack the E-war. BALANCE. fitting still does not work anywhere near as well as it does in EVE, also with amount of frames we have now they should be more specialised
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 404	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:54:00 - [17] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style Specialized roles are a good thing. If they were more specialized maybe there wouldn't be 90% of players using medium suits for every situation. It doesn't really limit creativity, it just limits what one suit (yes I'm thinking logi ATM) can do. If you want to do everything, you'll just need more SP. there specializing logi so it cant but to make everthing fit on only one thing would be bad Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 378	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:55:00 - [18] - Quote Just using the mining barges as an example since im most familar with them you have one that has bad tank, good yield and small ore hold (Covetor) you have one that has amazing tank, average yield and a smore ore hold (Procurer) and you have one that has average tank, ok yield and a huge ore hold (Retriever) So the Covetor excels at working with other people in fleets The procurer is for solo players who want strong defence And the retriever is for someone who wants to stick around longer Basically the Covetor is like an assault, the more squad/fleet members you have to work with the better you do The procurer is like a heavy, you dont have much to mess around with but lots of tank And the retriever is like a logi, holding lots of equipment and staying for the long haul
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 404	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:56:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: If they did pick a suit to pair with the sniper rifle it should be a light frame. It would limit damage module and plate stacking. The new cloak is a specialty item. Normally I prefer flexibility in fittings so I'd rather see some form of bonus from suit to gun but allow other suits to snipe without penalty. the first video i saw made by ccp was a video showing them make a havy sniper fit and a light sniper fit ,they were referencing the abundance of suits you could create . they need to stick to that philosophie Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4151	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:57:00 - [20] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching Somebody is salty. But i'll explain why. Because Dust is about diversity. Why the scout bonus? well. The cloak IS an equipment piece focused on scouts, scouts that already have low HP stats. So in order to PREVENT the abuse of the equipment CCP has made them very difficult to fit. Of course you can always use CPU and PG modules on a Logi/Med frame , but you would be sacrificing HP TANK in order to fit the piece of equipment , lowering you to regular Med frame HP. Overall, you still have more HP than a scout. You have he same Cloak, but you lack the E-war. BALANCE. fitting still does not work anywhere near as well as it does in EVE, also with amount of frames we have now they should be more specialised 1-This is NOT EVE. 2-More specialized suits should be a thing. With the Amarr assault bonus loss, its sadly a step BACKWARDS from specialization.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 378	Posted - 2014.01.28 04:20:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching Somebody is salty. But i'll explain why. Because Dust is about diversity. Why the scout bonus? well. The cloak IS an equipment piece focused on scouts, scouts that already have low HP stats. So in order to PREVENT the abuse of the equipment CCP has made them very difficult to fit. Of course you can always use CPU and PG modules on a Logi/Med frame , but you would be sacrificing HP TANK in order to fit the piece of equipment , lowering you to regular Med frame HP. Overall, you still have more HP than a scout. You have he same Cloak, but you lack the E-war. BALANCE. fitting still does not work anywhere near as well as it does in EVE, also with amount of frames we have now they should be more specialised 1-This is NOT EVE. 2-More specialized suits should be a thing. With the Amarr assault bonus loss, its sadly a step BACKWARDS from specialization.... this IS eve
2100 Angels The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 296	Posted - 2014.01.28 04:33:00 - [22] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style and sit in the redline where sometimes even an orbital cant get you? get the ** out Uh, you can sit in the redline in a light suit too. tell me how this solves this issue. True Adamance wrote: Not necessarily. For example so tech, examples of this in EVE, are specifically designed to be used with certain other gears, or better by certain gears. In this case Scouts and cloaks. In EVE logistics Ships have bonuses to Shield Transporters and Remote Armour reppers. etc. Defining roles in Dust 514 is not necessarily a bad thing. Some suit/weapon combinations are potentially game breaking. Limiting ones options is not always such a bad thing....limit them too much however...... What you've described doesn't limit options, it encourages others, which I am not opposed to. In this situation I could say "sure, the scout suit gives me a damage bonus for my sniper, but you know what ** it, I want more hp so I'm gonna put it on a heavy". Which is fine, I can make an informed decision about what will benefit me most. Limiting the options so that I HAVE to use a specific suit is the bad path, and is already too generic in many shooters that have pre-defined classes to match pre-defined roles. CoD and BF are the glaring examples. The freedom to customize is one of the big factors that makes this game different.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 378	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:06:00 - [23] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style and sit in the redline where sometimes even an orbital cant get you? get the ** out Uh, you can sit in the redline in a light suit too. tell me how this solves this issue. True Adamance wrote: Not necessarily. For example so tech, examples of this in EVE, are specifically designed to be used with certain other gears, or better by certain gears. In this case Scouts and cloaks. In EVE logistics Ships have bonuses to Shield Transporters and Remote Armour reppers. etc. Defining roles in Dust 514 is not necessarily a bad thing. Some suit/weapon combinations are potentially game breaking. Limiting ones options is not always such a bad thing....limit them too much however...... What you've described doesn't limit options, it encourages others, which I am not opposed to. In this situation I could say "sure, the scout suit gives me a damage bonus for my sniper, but you know what ** it, I want more hp so I'm gonna put it on a heavy". Which is fine, I can make an informed decision about what will benefit me most. Limiting the options so that I HAVE to use a specific suit is the bad path, and is already too generic in many shooters that have pre-defined classes to match pre-defined roles. CoD and BF are the glaring examples. The freedom to customize is one of the big factors that makes this game different. difference being if youre in the redline in a light suit i have quite a good chance of killing you, usually only way to kill logis and heavies in redline is with an orbital, heavies should only be able to use a heavy and a sidearm, not let the heavy socket be used for rail/combat/sniper/assault rifles
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4155	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:13:00 - [24] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: this IS eve EVE Based FPS........ But NOT eve. Its like saying World Of Warcraft is the same as Warcraft 2. Might be the same universe, but not the same game....... Durrr....... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 108	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:28:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: this IS eve EVE Based FPS........ But NOT eve. Its like saying World Of Warcraft is the same as Warcraft 2. Might be the same universe, but not the same game....... Durrr....... Sorry bud but dust514 models itself and it's philosophy from eve which means this is eve as well but in a fps scenario. Check mate. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4157	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:33:00 - [26] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: this IS eve EVE Based FPS........ But NOT eve. Its like saying World Of Warcraft is the same as Warcraft 2. Might be the same universe, but not the same game....... Durrr....... Sorry bud but dust514 models itself and it's philosophy from eve which means this is eve as well but in a fps scenario. Check mate. Wait WUT? no. WoW is modeled and has the same philosophies as RTS Warcraft and are not the same game. I cannot play for S*** EVE yet i can play dust. Why,shouldn't i be able to play EVE equally good as Dust if they are the same game? Same as i can play BF4 since i played BF3 before? Not to mention they are completley different game genres and trying to Balance one based on another is ridiculous, same as me trying to convince Dense mers that they are not the same game so whatever. plus its illegal to call checkmate* if there really isnt one... Anyhow,back to the thread..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 297	Posted - 2014.01.28 06:16:00 - [27] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: difference being if youre in the redline in a light suit i have quite a good chance of killing you, usually only way to kill logis and heavies in redline is with an orbital, heavies should only be able to use a heavy and a sidearm, not let the heavy socket be used for rail/combat/sniper/assault rifles Ahhhh, yep. I see. This argument is essentially "nerf it cuz i can't kill it and i'm da best". How egocentric do you have to be to suggest a change in game mechanics to satisfy your own deficiencies. I have no problems killing heavies or logis in the redline, as a sniper. Granted, it's more difficult but definitely still within the realms of achievable. Perhaps instead of suggesting terrible game mechanic changes, you focus on your real gripe with the redline. The current redline mechanics have obvious drawbacks; your time might be better spent trying to solve them. In case you're missing the drift of what I'm getting at: Dont try to make this game your own flavour of vanilla just for the sake of fixing a relatively insignificant* issue. *Insignificant in comparison to other issues with the game
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 299	Posted - 2014.01.28 06:33:00 - [28] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: So i heard the scout get like a %70 reduction to fitting costs of cloaks, why dont all suits in the game have more specialised stats? like make the sniper rifle 500cpu and 100pg, and then give light suits an 80% reduction to fitting costs of the sniper rifle there are too many gal logis with 1000+ hp and heavies with almost 2k just head glitching right, so you want more heavily defined roles which limit peoples ability to come up with original fits to fit their play style? no thanks. Now that's not to say that there isnt some equipment that should be this way, the use for cloaks for example is perfect.. but for something like a sniper rifle, I should be able to fit it to whatever suit I want without being pigeon holed to a specific play style Specialized roles are a good thing. If they were more specialized maybe there wouldn't be 90% of players using medium suits for every situation. It doesn't really limit creativity, it just limits what one suit (yes I'm thinking logi ATM) can do. If you want to do everything, you'll just need more SP. According to rumors Logistic suits are already getting hit pretty hard by the 1.8 update. Less high/low slots, lame bonuses, not to mention the equipment nerf. Sure it'll cut down on slayer logis, but from what I've been hearing from a lot of my logi brethren is that most won't even run support after this update either. Of course I can't account for everyone but bad balancing is bad.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 380	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:08:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: this IS eve EVE Based FPS........ But NOT eve. Its like saying World Of Warcraft is the same as Warcraft 2. Might be the same universe, but not the same game....... Durrr....... Sorry bud but dust514 models itself and it's philosophy from eve which means this is eve as well but in a fps scenario. Check mate. Wait WUT? no. WoW is modeled and has the same philosophies as RTS Warcraft and are not the same game. I cannot play for S*** EVE yet i can play dust. Why,shouldn't i be able to play EVE equally good as Dust if they are the same game? Same as i can play BF4 since i played BF3 before? Not to mention they are completley different game genres and trying to Balance one based on another is ridiculous, same as me trying to convince Dense mers that they are not the same game so whatever. plus its illegal to call checkmate* if there really isnt one... Anyhow,back to the thread..... if you understand politics you can play Dust just as Well as EVE, after all... politics is the name of the game(s), fighting? mining? PC? none that **** actually matters
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 380	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:10:00 - [30] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: difference being if youre in the redline in a light suit i have quite a good chance of killing you, usually only way to kill logis and heavies in redline is with an orbital, heavies should only be able to use a heavy and a sidearm, not let the heavy socket be used for rail/combat/sniper/assault rifles Ahhhh, yep. I see. This argument is essentially "nerf it cuz i can't kill it and i'm da best". How egocentric do you have to be to suggest a change in game mechanics to satisfy your own deficiencies. I have no problems killing heavies or logis in the redline, as a sniper. Granted, it's more difficult but definitely still within the realms of achievable. Perhaps instead of suggesting terrible game mechanic changes, you focus on your real gripe with the redline. The current redline mechanics have obvious drawbacks; your time might be better spent trying to solve them. In case you're missing the drift of what I'm getting at: Dont try to make this game your own flavour of vanilla just for the sake of fixing a relatively insignificant* issue. Insignificant in comparison to other issues with the game No this argument is - balance does not exist, even in eve you have balance, big ships cant do * to little ships, little ships cant do ** to big ships if one player is invulnerable from player actions then that is in no way balanced

demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 380	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:11:00 - [31] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: difference being if youre in the redline in a light suit i have quite a good chance of killing you, usually only way to kill logis and heavies in redline is with an orbital, heavies should only be able to use a heavy and a sidearm, not let the heavy socket be used for rail/combat/sniper/assault rifles Ahhhh, yep. I see. This argument is essentially "nerf it cuz i can't kill it and i'm da best". How egocentric do you have to be to suggest a change in game mechanics to satisfy your own deficiencies. I have no problems killing heavies or logis in the redline, as a sniper. Granted, it's more difficult but definitely still within the realms of achievable. Perhaps instead of suggesting terrible game mechanic changes, you focus on your real gripe with the redline. The current redline mechanics have obvious drawbacks; your time might be better spent trying to solve them. In case you're missing the drift of what I'm getting at: Dont try to make this game your own flavour of vanilla just for the sake of fixing a relatively insignificant* issue. *Insignificant in comparison to other issues with the game And the MAIN problem with this crap is HEAD GLITCHING


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