DUST Search - [Request] Swap shield recovery stats between Caldari and Minmatar

Medic 1879 wrote:

Asha Starwind wrote:

Reav Hannari wrote:

Asha Starwind wrote:

Reav Hannari wrote:

CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style.

Only min suits lose a low slot.

What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay.

Minnies already have armor to fall back on. Minsuits can shield tank and armor tank, your changes would make them the better shield tankers and still be able to armor tank. Caldari can't armor tank well at all and are pretty much reliant on their shields to keep them alive that is why they have lower delays.

I don't know about Caldari not being able to armour tank I have seen plenty of Caldari logi's with more armour than shields even some assaults as well.

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Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2861	Posted - 2014.01.27 19:00:00 - [1] - Quote CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1126	Posted - 2014.01.27 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this, and I'm very glad that there was another person that was less lazy than I am, that wanted to post. ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 295	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote buff the extenders too! Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 241	Posted - 2014.01.27 21:09:00 - [4] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2871	Posted - 2014.01.27 21:21:00 - [5] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot. What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 242	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:12:00 - [6] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot. What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay. Minnies already have armor to fall back on. Minsuits can shield tank and armor tank, your changes would make them the better shield tankers and still be able to armor tank. Caldari can't armor tank well at all and are pretty much reliant on their shields to keep them alive that is why they have lower delays.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1133	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:33:00 - [7] - Quote Nope. His changes would promote the intended use of the Minmatar as hit-and-run specialists. Note that the Caldari have (or SHOULD have) higher base shield in exchange for less armor. Minmatar - Hit and Run "tanking" (not really tanking but you know what I mean) Caldari - Buffer Tanking That's not to say the Caldari last very long in a prolonged firefight. The Caldari are mostly good if you use cover correctly (as should be a general rule of thumb for any shield tanker). ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 45	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:33:00 - [8] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. ^THIS^
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1368	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:04:00 - [9] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. I mentioned this in another thread but the more the merrier. You are 100% correct and fixing this problem can make minmatar viable. The minmatar scout, Medium and heavy frames should all have fast shield recharge, and shorter delays. the minmatar scout with the fastest shield recharge and shortest delay among the scouts with passive armor rep of 2hp/s the minmatar medium frames (assault and logistics) should have should have the shield recharge and shorter delays at the same rate as a scout (not the minmatar scout mentined above however) with passive armor rep of 2hp/s the minmatar heavy should have the sheild recharge and shorter delays at the same rates as a medium frame (not the same as the minmatar frame mentioned above/), with a passive regen on armor at 2hp/s. Minmatar have, on every tier, 25% less ehp than the other medium frames. however they only have 6% more movement speed. the trade off is not balanced. To make minmatar effect their recharge and regens must be faster and implemented to make up for the lower EHP. According to lore the rep tool is a mostly minmatar invention. Why would they then not be good at recovery? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1453	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:49:00 - [10] - Quote Signed 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 57	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:14:00 - [11] - Quote I would settle for my scout having the fastest recharge or shortest delay and 1 HP/s rep. "Shine bright like a diamond"
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1378	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:30:00 - [12] - Quote bump-o-matic Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1403	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote b-b-b-bump Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 411	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:54:00 - [14] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. mimnatar is hybrid tank not shield tank they put equal value in both armor and shield but more value in speed Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 21	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:03:00 - [15] - Quote +1 to this!
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.31 05:00:00 - [16] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot. What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay. Minnies already have armor to fall back on. Minsuits can shield tank and armor tank, your changes would make them the better shield tankers and still be able to armor tank. Caldari can't armor tank well at all and are pretty much reliant on their shields to keep them alive that is why they have lower delays. I don't know about Caldari not being able to armour tank I have seen plenty of Caldari logi's with more armour than shields even some assaults as well. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 628	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:00:00 - [17] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot. What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay. Minnies already have armor to fall back on. Minsuits can shield tank and armor tank, your changes would make them the better shield tankers and still be able to armor tank. Caldari can't armor tank well at all and are pretty much reliant on their shields to keep them alive that is why they have lower delays. I don't know about Caldari not being able to armour tank I have seen plenty of Caldari logi's with more armour than shields even some assaults as well. The upcoming Caldari suits have the lowest number of low slots. At proto level, the sentinel only has one low slot, and the scouts have two. We have yet to see what CCP is doing with medium frame suits. Good luck armor tanking with one low. And putting an armor tank on a caldari scout would be... Less than useful...
Kairos Nitak Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2014.01.31 06:25:00 - [18] - Quote +1 I'm not even min and I agree. Poor lil fellas..
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1403	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:02:00 - [19] - Quote bump Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 88	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:15:00 - [20] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP seems to be adjusting to the EVE standard style of racial defenses so I'd like to see some changes in the two shield tanking races. The Minmatar should be the fast recovery race and the Caldari the massive buffer race. Currently the Caldari are better at both aspects of shield tanking. The Minmatar should have both shorter delays and faster shield recharge times than the Caldari to support their hit and run style. Only min suits lose a low slot. What are you referring to? I was talking about base statistics for recharge rate and delay. Minnies already have armor to fall back on. Minsuits can shield tank and armor tank, your changes would make them the better shield tankers and still be able to armor tank. Caldari can't armor tank well at all and are pretty much reliant on their shields to keep them alive that is why they have lower delays. Minnies have 2 armor slots and caldari have 3 and thus can armor tank better, how do you not get this. Minnie gets 169 armor base and caldari 150 armor base (with maxed passives for both) 19 armor for the loss of a slot not worth it.

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