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Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2924	Posted - 2014.01.28 07:10:00 - [31] - Quote I'm noticing a trend and that is that gallente weapons are getting worse and worse as Caldari / Amarr weapons are getting seemingly better. Admittedly the Combat rifle is very good, but Shotgun is broke, AR is gimped by comparison, Plasma cannon is joke, while Rail Rifle dominates, Bolt Pistol will be able to out range an AR, Sniper Rifles have always been viable, and Swarms are like an AV staple. I think there's a bias to try and get Gallente FW abandoned for any material gain and persuade people to play Caldari FW. That's my conspiracy theory. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 149	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:46:00 - [32] - Quote What are the chances that maybe this overheat is different from other weapons'? Like, it just makes the pistol itself unusable for some time, but you can still sprint and change weapons and stuff. Then it might actually be a great weapon for starting fights. Just a random thought I had. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 482	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:49:00 - [33] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: What are the chances that maybe this overheat is different from other weapons'? Like, it just makes the pistol itself unusable for some time, but you can still sprint and change weapons and stuff. Then it might actually be a great weapon for starting fights. Just a random thought I had. With these stats, I sure hope so. I want to go full Gallente after 1.8, but CCP are making it real hard for me to justify doing so. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 28	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:40:00 - [34] - Quote I noticed you used the max possible ammo on the scrambler pistol? The ion pistol might have a similar or even better operations skill. Also, the scrambler and the flaylock rely heavily on user skill ( if you missed with the flaylock your probably dead) you sorta have to wait and see. Caldari Assault My 2 cents on Grenades
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8680	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:23:00 - [35] - Quote @Asha Starwind, CCP posted the stats in feedback/requests because they want feedback, and this is what the thread is for. Furthermore we have no reason to assume the weapon fires pellets, sounds like you're just looking for whatever possible unknown factor to derail things. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8639	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:27:00 - [36] - Quote Kilo Shells wrote: I noticed you used the max possible ammo on the scrambler pistol? The ion pistol might have a similar or even better operations skill. Also, the scrambler and the flaylock rely heavily on user skill ( if you missed with the flaylock your probably dead) you sorta have to wait and see. Ah, I've been so used to scrambler operation 5 I've forgotten about that. I haven't even included the flaylock in my comparisons, as it happens. The point about the scrambler relying on user skill doesn't change anything. It matters even more if you miss shots with the ion pistol - it has a lower RoF and an overheat function, meaning that if you miss shots you're even more screwed. The scrambler pistol is actually a good comparison to the ion pistol. Let's have a look. Damage - SCP 80, IP 50 - SCP wins significantly RoF - SCP 500, IP 375 - SCP wins significantly Range - SCP 30-35, IP 20 - SCP wins significantly Clip size - SCP 6-11, IP 12 - IP wins marginally Do you see? ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 605	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:39:00 - [37] - Quote reminds me of the plasma pistol from halo.. but its gonna need to flux enemy shielding first... and then theyd need to fix the melee system. ion pistol sounds like its going to suck bad. id like to see overheat toned down. (if its high). raise clipsize and ammo capacity. maybe around 20-25 rounds in the base clip. and 350 damage pershot on the fully charged version is pretty high. it might be able to ohk some mlt suits and scout suits. cooldown shouldnt be to long though as that would gimp its powershot. i want to know its maximum effective range though as 20-25 meters just sounds far to low. id have to try it out when it comes though. theres a chance this pistol could be very powerful in its range. maybe rof raised to match that of the scp.
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 36	Posted - 2014.01.28 20:08:00 - [38] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: I want to go full Gallente after 1.8, but CCP are making it real hard for me to justify doing so. Being able to pack 800+ ehp without even touching a heavy suit isn't enough for you?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8643	Posted - 2014.01.28 20:14:00 - [39] - Quote Hoover Damn wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: I want to go full Gallente after 1.8, but CCP are making it real hard for me to justify doing so. Being able to pack 800+ ehp without even touching a heavy suit isn't enough for you? You realise that's almost certainly going to be nerfed, right? He's talking about after 1.8, when Gallente logis will have been brought back in line and when (should there be no change to the released stats) the Gallente weaponry will be inferior to everyone else's. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1754	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:04:00 - [40] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Hoover Damn wrote: Flint Beastgood III wrote: I want to go full Gallente after 1.8, but CCP are making it real hard for me to justify doing so. Being able to pack 800+ ehp without even touching a heavy suit isn't enough for you? You realise that's almost certainly going to be nerfed, right? He's talking about after 1.8, when Gallente logis will have been brought back in line and when (should there be no change to the released stats) the Gallente weaponry will be inferior to everyone else's. I have a feeling that what the Gallente went through from 1.0 to 1.5 being Gallente will be nothing to the pain we will suffer in 1.8+ Armor and Shields are not the same!

AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 163	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:58:00 - [41] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: Is that what the charge shot is? It says in the description it has the ability to overload, like a module in EVE, I assume. No idea what that keybind would be though. :/ Hold down R1. Charge up shot. Release shot. Overheat. Overload and overheat are two different features.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 410	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:37:00 - [42] - Quote What if this gun, like the shotgun, fired pellets? That means each damage value would need to be multiplied by the pellet number "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8647	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:54:00 - [43] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: What if this gun, like the shotgun, fired pellets? That means each damage value would need to be multiplied by the pellet number According to the CPM, it doesn't. Besides which, if it fired more than about two pellets it would start to get ridiculously powerful. And if you only have two pellets, why be a pellet based weapon with so few? ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8647	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:13:00 - [44] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: Is that what the charge shot is? It says in the description it has the ability to overload, like a module in EVE, I assume. No idea what that keybind would be though. :/ Hold down R1. Charge up shot. Release shot. Overheat. Overload and overheat are two different features. Care to explain how so? ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1762	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:53:00 - [45] - Quote "Overheating - or overloading, the terms are interchangeable, but I will be using overheat - is the act of purposefully pushing a fitted active module beyond its normal limits, obtaining better performance for a short period of time." Overheating 101- EVE University Armor and Shields are not the same!
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2010	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:03:00 - [46] - Quote I've been running the numbers over and over in my head. The IP just seems so lackluster. Was there any official statement for just how much the charge shot boosted the damage? Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1762	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:04:00 - [47] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: I've been running the numbers over and over in my head. The IP just seems so lackluster. Was there any official statement for just how much the charge shot boosted the damage? Yeah it's in the damage section of the weapons post. It is 350 damage at standard level. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 125	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:45:00 - [48] - Quote Wouldn't be the first time they released a gimped weapon (plasma cannon) It will almost certainly have a use, but I think I'll stick with my toxin.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 8963	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:12:00 - [49] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: Wouldn't be the first time they released a gimped weapon (plasma cannon) It will almost certainly have a use, but I think I'll stick with my toxin. Quite. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1909	Posted - 2014.03.05 04:30:00 - [50] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: MEDICO RITARDATO wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP hates Gallente. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah suicide Do you not believe me human? Looks at GalLogi Right... Only for weapons... Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.

Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 60	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:14:00 - [51] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: You don't know how damage it does,[/u][/b] based solely on the released stats. Pellets/bullets fired per shot is not listed, and you're making the assumption that it is 1, and that may be wrong. If it were a shotgun like weapon that would be an odd thing to leave out of the description. Positively bizarre. Indeed, unthinkable.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 461	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:31:00 - [52] - Quote mayne itll be dirt cheap like 250 isk for proto and on 4 cpu and 0 pg Proud Christian add p2p already!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1399	Posted - 2014.03.05 06:06:00 - [53] - Quote I think you're majorly underestimating the value of the charge shot. 385 damage at proto is more than a Thale's. Throw in Prof and maybe a sidearm damage mod or two, and you're looking at pushing 500 damage alpha in your sidearm slot. That'll OHK the vast majority of STD mediums. Combine this with a headshot and you're OHKing most medium frames with your sidearm. Combine this level of alpha with rifle nerfs and you'll be well served by starting every engagement within 20m with a charged shot from an Ion Pistol. Much like the scrambler rifle, some will call it mediocre in comparison to the full-auto options, but in skilled hands the alpha damage is going to harvest buckets and buckets of tears. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10404	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:10:00 - [54] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I think you're majorly underestimating the value of the charge shot. 385 damage at proto is more than a Thale's. Throw in Prof and maybe a sidearm damage mod or two, and you're looking at pushing 500 damage alpha in your sidearm slot. That'll OHK the vast majority of STD mediums. Combine this with a headshot and you're OHKing most medium frames with your sidearm. Combine this level of alpha with rifle nerfs and you'll be well served by starting every engagement within 20m with a charged shot from an Ion Pistol. Much like the scrambler rifle, some will call it mediocre in comparison to the full-auto options, but in skilled hands the alpha damage is going to harvest buckets and buckets of tears. The difference between the scrambler rifle and the ion pistol is that the scrambler rifle can follow up shots. What if you don't OHKO with your charge shot with the ion pistol? You are dead. It's not a case of just starting each engagement with the ion pistol and then switching to a rifle or main weapon because the ion pistol overheats when the charge shot is used. Looking at precedents for that, what can't we do whilst overheated? Switch weapons, sprint, throw grenades, etc. As a result, it can't really be used competitively even if you're headshotting fairly consistently. But if you're headshotting, why not use the scrambler pistol? It'll do an absurd amount more damage than the ion pistol, while also having the ability to fire follow up shots immediately. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11962	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:23:00 - [55] - Quote Predictably, on release, the ion pistol has exactly the same stats and does not have multiple 'pellets' per shot. It also features an overheat function that doesn't actually require charging the weapon. Oh, and if that wasn't bad enough the hipfire spread is massive aaaaand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg6ehAbPV-A&feature=youtu.be You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2140	Posted - 2014.04.01 19:31:00 - [56] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Predictably, on release, the ion pistol has exactly the same stats and does not have multiple 'pellets' per shot. It also features an overheat function that doesn't actually require charging the weapon. Oh, and if that wasn't bad enough the hipfire spread is massive aaaaand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg6ehAbPV-A&feature=youtu.be Reactive plates all over again. Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 739	Posted - 2014.04.01 21:10:00 - [57] - Quote kill the over heat buff the clip size to 20.. buff base ammo capacity as well. leave everything else as is.


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