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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Who thinks Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles aren't OP. I want to know who thinks they don't need to be nerfed. Come on! Don't be shy ...

I think they are NOT OP.
They are very powerful but balanced between themselves (rifles i mean)

Its ALL the other weapons that are pretty sucky....

This^^^

The only weapon that is out of balance is the AR. It sucks now.

Fix the AR but increasing the RoF to 800 r/m.

TTK is already getting a fix in 1.8. The proficiency skill will only be applied to damage vs. either shields or armor, based on what the weapon is supposed to be proficient against.

Stop trying to nerf every thing damn it! Evil

Even the AR is a problem weapon. Also, I am not trying to nerf everything. As a matter of fact I am not trying to nerf anything. I would like these weapons to keep their killing power, I just want them to be harder to use.

Example.
Rail Rifle: Tighten its hipfire accuracy even more, then make aim assist not work for it at ranges under 40m. I have not nerfed a thing about it, in fact it's technically a buff. However, it is now more difficult to use.

^If you see that as a nerf, you are a sh*t player that relies on an easy to use weapon rather than your actual skill^

How was your lame attempt at insulting me even at all necessary. You ******* child.

And your Idea to balance sounds terrible, so you want to make it easier for me to shoot you in the face with hip fire? Brilliant! *Shakes his head*


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Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1703	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:32:00 - [1] - Quote Who thinks Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles aren't OP. I want to know who thinks they don't need to be nerfed. Come on! Don't be shy ... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1705	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:43:00 - [2] - Quote I know you guys think they're OP... I want to find the people that think they aren't OP. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1705	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:48:00 - [3] - Quote Vile Heathen wrote: I think all the rifles are fine, except the laser rifle which is way underpowered. Though I will say I think the AR deserves a nice RDS to make it easier to use. Your opinion is wrong. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1705	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:52:00 - [4] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: that is a loaded question. I know. That's the way I made it... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:40:00 - [5] - Quote Gambit Ace wrote: I think they are perfect the way they are. They give non-proto users a chance to stand against those proto-stompers. I love them both! They don't need any nerfing whatsoever! They contribute more to protostomping than they prevent it. They have no Militia Variants, therefore new players often have no idea these weapons even exist until they get slaughtered after leaving the Academy. They are the two of the most powerful weapons in this game currently, but they are far to easy to use to afford the amount of power they give people. This has been a problem in every shooter for decades. There are always weapons that are easy to use, and require minimal skill input from their users, but perform at a level that exceeds the user, essentially doing the work for the user. They don't ask more out of the user, but instead give to the user without price. This is broken, as such these weapons are broken. They need to be fixed. This has been the case with almost everything in this game that has been considered to be OP. The items themselves weren't too strong, they just didnt have a price for that strength. The opposite is true for the weapons that are commonly viewed as underpowered. Look at the Plasma Cannon. Look at the Laser Rifle. Look at the Nova Knives. These weapons are among the most difficult weapons to use in the game, but their power is dwarfed by these rifles. This is wrong, and horrendously unbalanced. In short, they are noob weapons, with the capabilities of high skill weapons. We can either reduce their capabilities to be more inline with their skill level, or we can increase their skill level to be more in line with their capabilities. Only bad players see both of these options as nerfs... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:15:00 - [6] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Who thinks Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles aren't OP. I want to know who thinks they don't need to be nerfed. Come on! Don't be shy ... I think they are NOT OP. They are very powerful but balanced between themselves (rifles i mean) Its ALL the other weapons that are pretty sucky.... This^^^ The only weapon that is out of balance is the AR. It sucks now. Fix the AR but increasing the RoF to 800 r/m. TTK is already getting a fix in 1.8. The proficiency skill will only be applied to damage vs. either shields or armor, based on what the weapon is supposed to be proficient against. Stop trying to nerf every thing damn it! Even the AR is a problem weapon. Also, I am not trying to nerf everything. As a matter of fact I am not trying to nerf anything. I would like these weapons to keep their killing power, I just want them to be harder to use. Example. Rail Rifle: Tighten its hipfire accuracy even more, then make aim assist not work for it at ranges under 40m. I have not nerfed a thing about it, in fact it's technically a buff. However, it is now more difficult to use. ^If you see that as a nerf, you are a sht player that relies on an easy to use weapon rather than your actual skill^ Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire*
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:25:00 - [7] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: They aren't OP because everyone has equal opportunity to skill into them and use them. I use my RR for when I'm trying to get kills, CR when logi'ing and AR when I use officer weapons That is horrid logic. If there was a rifle that did 45 damage per shot, fired 1200 rounds per minute at a fully automatic setting, and had an optimal range of 95m; you wouldn't consider that to be unbalanced? Because everonr has access to it? It is this kind of thinking that ruins diversity. I use the absolute abundance of Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles as my evidence to support my statement. I seriously hope you aren't serious... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:28:00 - [8] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: No mention of the scrambler rifle? It is just as good if not better than either of these weapons. The Scrambler Rifle is undoubtedly OP. The problem here however, is that it does require a bit of skill to use it to its full power. Therefore, it actually deserves to have more power than the other rifles. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:36:00 - [9] - Quote Rorick Crawely wrote: I don't think they're OP tbh. I think every gun excels at it's intended role (Except for SMG's now that CR's are here). A CR is supposed to dominate short to mid range, it's supposed to have no equal and vice versa for the RR. I think CCP have achieves a really great balance with the weapons currently (Although I would love a slight buff to SMG's ). In my experience though, I get killed by AR's more often than by any other gun. If the CR dominates at Close-range, and the RR dominates at Long, where does that put the other specialty weapons, or the other rifles for that matter? Every weapon should perform well at its niche, and if a weapon has a very acute niche, no other weapon should compare to it when it is being used in its niche. These rifles have wide niches, and even outperform acutely niches weapon within their own niche. A question or three. If you know that you are going to be in primarily close quarters combat, what weapon would you rather have at your side? A Shotgun, or a Combat Rifle? My guess is that you would choose the Combat Rifle, because it is easier to use, and fit, along with being superior to the shotgun in every aspect that counts for close quarters combat. Now, which of these two weapons should be better for the job? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:42:00 - [10] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Who thinks Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles aren't OP. I want to know who thinks they don't need to be nerfed. Come on! Don't be shy ... I think they are NOT OP. They are very powerful but balanced between themselves (rifles i mean) Its ALL the other weapons that are pretty sucky.... This^^^ The only weapon that is out of balance is the AR. It sucks now. Fix the AR but increasing the RoF to 800 r/m. TTK is already getting a fix in 1.8. The proficiency skill will only be applied to damage vs. either shields or armor, based on what the weapon is supposed to be proficient against. Stop trying to nerf every thing damn it! Even the AR is a problem weapon. Also, I am not trying to nerf everything. As a matter of fact I am not trying to nerf anything. I would like these weapons to keep their killing power, I just want them to be harder to use. Example. Rail Rifle: Tighten its hipfire accuracy even more, then make aim assist not work for it at ranges under 40m. I have not nerfed a thing about it, in fact it's technically a buff. However, it is now more difficult to use. ^If you see that as a nerf, you are a sht player that relies on an easy to use weapon rather than your actual skill^ How was your lame attempt at insulting me even at all necessary. You ****** child. And your Idea to balance sounds terrible, so you want to make it easier for me to shoot you in the face with hip fire? Brilliant! Shakes his head I dare you to try to perform the same manoeuvre with a Laser Rifle. It isn't easy. It has a literally perfect hipfire, but even so, it requires skill. I want you to hipfire me to death with a Laser Rifle, I bet you can't do it. Also, that wasn't an insult, that was me stating the fact that only a shitty player would see a hard to use weapon as a bad weapon. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire*

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 09:43:00 - [11] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: No mention of the scrambler rifle? It is just as good if not better than either of these weapons. The Scrambler Rifle is undoubtedly OP. The problem here however, is that it does require a bit of skill to use it to its full power. Therefore, it actually deserves to have more power than the other rifles. Dude, what are you smoking? Logic. You want a puff? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 10:05:00 - [12] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: I want you to hipfire me to death with a Laser Rifle, I bet you can't do it. I can't be done because the weapon would be puting out next to no damage. Do you even dust bro. I meant at long range. It isn't easy, and it is even harder to continuously hit someone with its hipfire at close range. I main the Laser Rifle, so yes, I am quite familiar with its strengths and weaknesses. It can be done too, its rare, but I get the odd kill with it at close range with it sometimes... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1709	Posted - 2014.01.27 10:43:00 - [13] - Quote gbghg wrote: between the racial variants the balance isn't so bad, apart from the engagement envelope overlaps making the AR less used than the other variants, it how they perform compared to every other weapon in the game that's the issue. Exactly! The AR is the worst of the Main Battle Rifles, but the MBRs stand head and shoulders over the other weapons in the game. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire