DUST Search - Everything I think is wrong with Dust 514

Bethhy wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

I couldn't get any gastuns hmg or forge guns all through beta, purposefully killing heavies using them.

A week ago I afked a Dom, I got 3 gastuns hmg. I then afked another Dom and got 3 gastuns forge guns. In fact afking gets me more officer drops than anything else. If I want officer drops I afk, mind blown.

Also I get 200k afking, I can confirm that squad mates who can be bothered get 250k roughly after putting in Max effort while I get 200k for nothing.

Also I'd like to add that very rarely I'll get as low as 29k afking but this is extremely rare. The isk and sp rewarded barely warrants the effort most of the time and especially if your corp is grinding isk for pc, it becomes even more pointless to bother.

Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back.

The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it.

Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with CCP.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8499	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote [Squad orders] Defend orders are placed on a squadmate and used to farm free WP to get strikes, makes other squad orders unused. Despite the implications of the word "defend", you don't actually have to protect the defend target, the defend order merely multiplies the WP earnings of the target. (thread) [User interface] We have no way of quickly knowing who in a chat or contacts are online, in a battle, and/or in a squad. (thread) We have no way of knowing who is talking without having to open the chat menu. Its no problem when you're in a squad of people who's vices you already know, but if you're on team chat, or an unfamiliar squad, it can become a hassle. (thread) [Matchmaking] Matchmaking is broken. Not just in the sense that it puts skilled players against unskilled ones, but also has teams of 0 or 3 against full teams of 16. It also adds players to battles that are ending or about to end. (thread) [Risk/rewards] ISK rewards don't reward enough. Even after gaining tons of WP and a positive K/D in a 23k cheap fit, profit is still very low. The net gain is often lower than the ISK rewards from AFK farming. (thread) FW rewards aren't worth it, even in level 10 standing. It i essentially high risk low reward. (thread) The most effective and cheap AV option to fight a tank is another tank, likewise the most cheap effective anti-infantry option is also a tank. While dropsuits are cheaper, the combined cost of average deaths far outweighs the cost of one highly survivable tank. Low risk behaviors like redline sniper and redline rail tanks are rewarded greatly. Friendly district-locking in PC [New player experience] The new player experience is awful, and leads to bad player retention. Part of this is matchmaking, which I covered above. Part of this is the lack of actual gameplay tutorial to learn many aspects of the game (like hacking, calling strikes, squad orders, calling vehicles, using vehicles, using active vehicle active mods, using equipment, etc). Part of it is the massive gear differences; I'm fine with the existance of higher tier weapons, modules, and equipment, but do we really need 4 tiers of dropsuits on top of that? item progressing would be fine if dropsuits only had 2 tiers (skills would just give bonuses instead of unlocking new tiers). (thread) These issues would be less bad players had options beside PVP, but they're forced to play against vets. [Basic frames have no purpose] (thread) In 1.8 we will have 48 basic frame suits, the 12 militia ones for testing without skills, but the remaining 36 (standard-prototype) are basically inferior AND more expensive versions of a specialized suit. Specialist suits are not really specialized if they're basically copy/pasted basic frames with bonuses slapped on (basic mediums to assaults, basic heavies to sentinels). Basic frame suits provide a way to test drive one specialization's role, but not another's; for example, the basic medium lets you test-drive the assault role in a way, but not logi, which is not fair. They need a price cut, they should be at least 10% cheaper than their specialized counterpart, they should be the cheaper alternative to specialize suits. Lower SP cost or not, inferior suits should cost less. They should be very generalized and versatile in slot layouts compared to their specialist counterparts, like a middle ground between the specializations of the frame size; this could be done by altering the basic frames (like medium basics get a 2nd equipment slot and lose a module slot in exchange). This would let players try out more roles with a basic to better deciding what to specialize into. [Game modes] All our modes are currently simple generic game modes, with no design creativity like the original Skirmish 1.0. We need interesting modes with complexity, attack/defend, and multiple stages. Ambush is broken, and has ALWAYS been broken since the dawn of Dust. Its about time we abandoned the idea of "random" spawns, and use defended spawn bases; our spawn points are very predictable anyway so they're already like that anyway, so why not make them highly defended. (thread) Domination is not only not unique enough compared to Skirmish, its also boringly one-sided, the team that gets the objective first and spams the most uplinks generally wins. The objective needs to cycle to various spots on the map to keep things interesting, and to give the losing team a chance. (thread) We have no options beside PVP, part of the new player experience problem. The lack of modes is the absolute WORST thing about this game to me. Will add more below Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8499	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:06:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 936	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote +1 as always Kage The Sinwarden
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2843	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:17:00 - [4] - Quote An excellent summary and I agree with all of them, Kagehoshi. Unfortunately, the Shanghai office is just starting their two week Chinese New Year break and they are the ones that really need to review this. Make sure you bump this thing on February 8th and send a friendly tweet to CCP Saberwing at the same time just to bring this back up as they are getting back to work. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2462	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:18:00 - [5] - Quote I couldn't get any gastuns hmg or forge guns all through beta, purposefully killing heavies using them. A week ago I afked a Dom, I got 3 gastuns hmg. I then afked another Dom and got 3 gastuns forge guns. In fact afking gets me more officer drops than anything else. If I want officer drops I afk, mind blown. Also I get 200k afking, I can confirm that squad mates who can be bothered get 250k roughly after putting in Max effort while I get 200k for nothing. Also I'd like to add that very rarely I'll get as low as 29k afking but this is extremely rare. The isk and sp rewarded barely warrants the effort most of the time and especially if your corp is grinding isk for pc, it becomes even more pointless to bother. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 633	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:22:00 - [6] - Quote PC is a joke and full of Lag and it is still just LOL TDM 16 v 16. Pretty pathetic really but meh, F2P Lobby shooter. We are getting what we have payed for. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 976	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:29:00 - [7] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I couldn't get any gastuns hmg or forge guns all through beta, purposefully killing heavies using them. A week ago I afked a Dom, I got 3 gastuns hmg. I then afked another Dom and got 3 gastuns forge guns. In fact afking gets me more officer drops than anything else. If I want officer drops I afk, mind blown. Also I get 200k afking, I can confirm that squad mates who can be bothered get 250k roughly after putting in Max effort while I get 200k for nothing. Also I'd like to add that very rarely I'll get as low as 29k afking but this is extremely rare. The isk and sp rewarded barely warrants the effort most of the time and especially if your corp is grinding isk for pc, it becomes even more pointless to bother. Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back. The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it. Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with CCP.
October SnowFox Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 179	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:35:00 - [8] - Quote good) same time ago i make something like this on russian forums.. still waiting for answer from CCP.. -ö-¦-é-ü-¦-+-¦ -+-¦-ç-é-+-¦ -Ç-¦-+-î-ê-¦ -¦-ï-+ - -¦-+-ü-+-+-+-¦-¦-é. -ó-¦-+-¦-Ç-î -+-¦ -¦-+-+-¦-+-ï-à -+-+-+-¦-¦-à - Doom -+ Warcraft...
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1771	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:35:00 - [9] - Quote Now some how this needs to be slapped onto a dev's forehead New born sAMARRi
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4285	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:35:00 - [10] - Quote You missed....a lot. Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8518	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:53:00 - [11] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I couldn't get any gastuns hmg or forge guns all through beta, purposefully killing heavies using them. A week ago I afked a Dom, I got 3 gastuns hmg. I then afked another Dom and got 3 gastuns forge guns. In fact afking gets me more officer drops than anything else. If I want officer drops I afk, mind blown. Also I get 200k afking, I can confirm that squad mates who can be bothered get 250k roughly after putting in Max effort while I get 200k for nothing. Also I'd like to add that very rarely I'll get as low as 29k afking but this is extremely rare. The isk and sp rewarded barely warrants the effort most of the time and especially if your corp is grinding isk for pc, it becomes even more pointless to bother. I also find it funny how salvage is given out, I tend to get better or more salvage while I AFK as well. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 582	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:55:00 - [12] - Quote sp rollover or some sort of flexible cap. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition 375	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:59:00 - [13] - Quote Lack of gameplay modes my biggest issue as well. Its the reason I take breaks for months at a time... Skirmish/Domination over and over and over and over? SERIOUSLY? Ambush not even worthy of mention Replication Veteran: On hiatus until we have 10 game modes, jets, all racial suits/wpns and EVE has a reason to care.
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 597	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:28:00 - [14] - Quote would add: virtual training rooms for corps & the weapons lab. both can change FPS as we know it, the WL because it lets players see if weapons fit their playstyle before spending SP on them, and the VTR because FPS has never really seen a training environment [the BF test range is close, but some idiot decided it was better to train alone as no one can join ur session] and a proper NPE the #1 thing holding dust back, sad because CPM iron wolf saber has a perfect template for how it should be done. https://t.co/JwecQ4KwW4
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2462	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:30:00 - [15] - Quote Bethhy wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I couldn't get any gastuns hmg or forge guns all through beta, purposefully killing heavies using them. A week ago I afked a Dom, I got 3 gastuns hmg. I then afked another Dom and got 3 gastuns forge guns. In fact afking gets me more officer drops than anything else. If I want officer drops I afk, mind blown. Also I get 200k afking, I can confirm that squad mates who can be bothered get 250k roughly after putting in Max effort while I get 200k for nothing. Also I'd like to add that very rarely I'll get as low as 29k afking but this is extremely rare. The isk and sp rewarded barely warrants the effort most of the time and especially if your corp is grinding isk for pc, it becomes even more pointless to bother. Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back. The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it. Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with CCP. Yeah I'd like isk gain alternatives, then I'd be happy with your suggestion. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3752	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:36:00 - [16] - Quote Not all the assault rifle variants suck- It may just be because I don't have aim assist turned on (Add that to the list), but I cut people down much more quickly with assault combat rifles than with normal combat rifles. I am your scan error.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 337	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:11:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: While tanks are stronger than in most other shooters with vehicles, infantry is forced to give up their anti-infantry capabilities to fight tanks effectively, something other shooters don't do. This means you're a sitting duck against most other infantry while trying to fight a tank I'd like to see light AV use equipment slots; spare magazines would have to be cut, and damage would have to be increased to relevant levels, but it would create a less shoehorned AV meta: AV becomes an infantry specialization rather than a completely separate role. [1] Like Remote Explosives, Light AV belongs in the equipment category. Which leads me to a personal gripe: You cannot see what equipment and weapons an infantry player has equipped besides what is actively being used. There is no way for vehicle users to reliably identify AV infantry at a glance, and thus avoid or deal with them first. Likewise, you cannot see if a logistics suit is running a repair tool unless it is actively being used. Adding that feature would improve the general game play experience for everyone. Just a thought. [1] Incidentally, that is how AT infantry works in the real world: Anti Tank Riflemen have a standard issue rifle and pistol, and an ATGM - which is classed as specialist equipment. Typically the AT-Rifleman only carries 1-2 missiles, and spares are carried by the AT-Rifleman's combat buddy - usually a Rifleman. If the AT-Rifleman was not equipped with a standard issue rifle, he/she would be combat ineffective most of the time, as missiles and rockets are not an efficient or reliable way of dealing with most forms of infantry: too slow; too little ammunition; too inaccurate. Rockets are typically only used against infantry when the infantry is bunched up and/or in a hardened location (bunker and the like).
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2100	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:13:00 - [18] - Quote Remove lag... lag's fixed for the most part. A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3627	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:32:00 - [19] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Remove lag... lag's fixed for the most part. Not for me and a lot of other people. We are lagging like MoFo's out there. Seems to be an Eastern US issue. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1843	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:51:00 - [20] - Quote Here are a couple for you. [Wallet Mechanics] The current limitation on the number of withdraws and deposit logs allows for easy spam to eliminate evidence of transaction. This is not the case in EVE Online and it hinders the organization of lotteries and escrow services within Dust. [Thread] [Corporation] -Limitations to CREST endpoints and absence of API keys for accessing personal and corporate data limits the ability of corporations to accurately gauge member contribution. [Playstation Move] Equipment Switch has gone long un-addressed. Unlike the mouse and DS3 when you click to change equipment your character stops dead in their tracks, locked in place. [Dust 514 Forums] -You do not receive notifications for posts you have been quoted in. -As a CEO you are unable to completely remove deleted topics in the Corporate Forums McDonell Miller Explains the Dust Challenge Lottery Protocol

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4295	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:56:00 - [21] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Remove lag... lag's fixed for the most part. Not for me and a lot of other people. We are lagging like MoFo's out there. Seems to be an Eastern US issue. I don't lag much in anything other than PC. PC is still laggy as hell. Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6201	Posted - 2014.01.27 02:57:00 - [22] - Quote What about HAV having no clearly defined role, parity or balance? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2102	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:03:00 - [23] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Remove lag... lag's fixed for the most part. Not for me and a lot of other people. We are lagging like MoFo's out there. Seems to be an Eastern US issue. I don't lag much in anything other than PC. PC is still laggy as hell. Damn I haven't gotten a lag spike since the fix nor have any of my corp members... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 856	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:09:00 - [24] - Quote I'll fight you on the ferroscale, they are handy for some extra HP on the minmatar scout Channel - Vote for Delt Delt for CPM1
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1036	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:09:00 - [25] - Quote Good thread. Disagree on a few. Agree on most.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2911	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:17:00 - [26] - Quote BTW Defend order and Rally order operate exactly the same except rally does not even need a target. It can be placed on the ground, walls, vehicles, people, installations, objectives, anything and anywhere. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1712	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:18:00 - [27] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Remove lag... lag's fixed for the most part. Not for me and a lot of other people. We are lagging like MoFo's out there. Seems to be an Eastern US issue. I don't lag much in anything other than PC. PC is still laggy as hell. Damn I haven't gotten a lag spike since the fix nor have any of my corp members... I'm on the east coast and I usually don't have that much problem with lag, though I don't really PC so can't comment on that. Actually had more than usual this week (normally only a couple matches a week at most), presumably due to the ludicrous equipment spam during the SP event. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 863	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:19:00 - [28] - Quote wtf KHW. You are like that politician that talks about paying off external debt, balancing budget, bringing troops home, and guaranteeing retirement and health insurance to citizens. Reading your essays I always get the bitter-sweet feeling like I want all those things but know that they will never happen. Is there really a point in copy-pasting the same thoughts you and everyone else has posted dozens of times? - 1. By the way, I love how when ppl try to describe 'a perfect Dust' they paint a picture of MAG : ) Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 863	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:22:00 - [29] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: An excellent summary and I agree with all of them, Kagehoshi. Unfortunately, the Shanghai office is just starting their two week Chinese New Year break and they are the ones that really need to review this. Make sure you bump this thing on February 8th and send a friendly tweet to CCP Saberwing at the same time just to bring this back up as they are getting back to work. Man gotta love those endless Chinese Holidays. I thought the point behind CCP Shanghai was that ppl go 100% and work 14 hour days. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1152	Posted - 2014.01.27 03:34:00 - [30] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: An excellent summary and I agree with all of them, Kagehoshi. Unfortunately, the Shanghai office is just starting their two week Chinese New Year break and they are the ones that really need to review this. Make sure you bump this thing on February 8th and send a friendly tweet to CCP Saberwing at the same time just to bring this back up as they are getting back to work. Man gotta love those endless Chinese Holidays. I thought the point behind CCP Shanghai was that ppl go 100% and work 14 hour days. NO. As far as hollidays: They just had a December Vacation but are worn out from parties and now need!! a January Vacation. K!!! when the January Vacation is over then they need!! a FANFEST Vacation!!! But,but , but game development?? Soon!!!! Wheres that map to plan the Fanfest pub crawl???? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.



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