No, you have self repairs you do not need any more repairs. Learn to use your suit... you know how I use my shield suit? I have level 5 scan range from there if I need to repair my shields in the middle of combat I simply kite the enemy until I have enough HP to re engage... seriously hives is the only thing armor suits have that is a dependant source of HP. People rarely use repair tools, and armor repairs sacrifice to much for little benefit.

F'n oath they should do shields, they are caldari, with the proposed skill changes a shield logi is going to get a bonus to an armor + ammo, the weakest logi is in the middle of the fight on repper duty, and the other two are racially correct but kinda meh... dis **** be wack.

Your suggested changes Maybe a bit too complicated though, just make them instantly start recharge at the nanite cost of an armor rep.

No resistance, no recharge boost(BL4CKST4R), just a kickstart, this way if u are fighting a shield tanker sitting on a hive, he will only be healing at his suits natural rate(20-30hp) about as much as an armor suit on the weakest rep hive. So effectivley(?) U would only lose 20hp from your burst/shot.

Also shield tankers would gain no benefit from multiple hives except a larger nanite pool, unlike armour repping hives.
They would still have choose betwen high hp or recharge rate.
How could any armour tanked, damage modded suit think that isn't fair.

Shields in New Eden are indeed energy based (unlike star trek's particle based) however also unlike star trek we're unable to convert energy into matter efficiently, In other words unless you have a way of turning triage nanites into quick energized capacitors without shorting then we can talk about hives that repair shields.

There nanites that can repair armor, turn into bullets and grenades. Why wouldn't they be able to enter the energy system of a suit and turn into capacitors or turbocharge the suits innate shield regen systems. I am not even a fan of the idea (outside of another hive meant for the job) but come on in a world of nanites repairing damage to ship modules in real time or bring the dead back to life it's not that much of a leap in logic.

Doesn't make sense why the shield-tanking race wold have equipment to repair armor.
+1

Because it's hard to convert mass into energy.

Shields in New Eden are indeed energy based (unlike star trek's particle based) however also unlike star trek we're unable to convert energy into matter efficiently, In other words unless you have a way of turning triage nanites into quick energized capacitors without shorting then we can talk about hives that repair shields.

Now there is shield transferring technology in New Eden that involves generating a shield field in a tunneled projector, matching frequencies then augmenting the energy projection so as long as one does not overcharge beyond containment at a smooth rate it be good to go (think of a high pressure bubble leaking into a lower pressure bubble). In the past one ship would have to share shields with another in order to provide coverage for both but putting both at risk. This method was away with during the civil war between caldari and gallente as technology improved.

People rarely use repair tools, and armor repairs sacrifice to much for little benefit.

Because it's hard to convert mass into energy.

Alright Cat, what would you say to the idea of improving the efficiency of other modules while in the bubble such as armor repairers.?

Alright Cat, what would you say to the idea of improving the efficiency of other modules while in the bubble such as armor repairers.?

Doesn't make sense why the shield-tanking race wold have equipment to repair armor.
+1

I'm going to say that armor is triage reliant, shield's aren't.
Having armor hives help shields would be overkill IMHO.

However I would make a logi tool that "kickstarts" the shield's regen.

Because they still have a small amount of armor underneath their suit.


I always thought Nanohives that rep'd were made ideally for Caldari units that got a little damaged after their shields depleted.
Even if you're a shield race you don't want to instantly die after your shields get depleted. The Nanohive does just that, on paper. In reality, instead of being ideal for the Caldari repairing in small amounts (which is actually a considerable amount if you're a Caldari with only 150 armor) You get a bunch spammed in an area to repair a +500 armor suit back in a few seconds.

Instead the Nanohoves might be better if they worked similarly to the Nanite Injector but unlike Nanite injector they should repair armor up to a set amount instead of a percentage. i.e 125 hp instead of 80%.

This would probably keep armor tankers away from Abusing Nanohives outside of their intended race while still greatly benefiting the Caldari...and Minmatar if the suit is Shield Based.

How many triage hive debates do you have?

Actually Kirk, the triage hives aren't made by Caldari.
Allotek is a Gallente company.

Actually Kirk, the triage hives aren't made by Caldari.
Allotek is a Gallente company.

Ishkone is Caldari though

Don't try to teach me at lore, there are only a few that know more than me about New Eden on these forums and you're not one of them.

Really people?
1.8 recharge rates:
Caldari heavy: 30hp/s
Caldari scout: 50hp/s
Most likely caldari assault recharge rate: 40hp/s <--- Allotek Hive right there


Stop QQ'ing, even with how shields are right now my Caldari Assault is a perfectly capable suit.
You just need to stop thinking like an armor tanker and start thinking like a shield tanker.

[/Facepalm] Knock Knock, Ishukone Nanohive?
Allotek is the one Company that makes a certain Nanohive out of all of the Nanohives.

Similarly to how the Minmatar make the Advanced Nanite injector but it's heavily assumed to be Caldari based tech.

And how we had one Allotek Uplink out of all the Amarr ones (before the market switched them all to Allotek for some reason)

As well as the Ishukone Sub-machine gun. A Caldari Company that manufactured a weapon based on Minmatar tech.


Don't try to teach me at lore, there are only a few that know more than me about New Eden on these forums and you're not one of them.

I'd just like to point out that triage hives are receiving a significant lifespan nerf IIRC.

Anyone have thought on the idea of energizers (nanohives) temporarily increasing the effectiveness of your low and highslot modules by a factor of 5% ?

Sounds like a great reason to stack armor/reps and damage mods then setup camp on a stack of hives.

They should make personal reppers less effective imo. At least untill they have a large enough range of usefull modules out that you have to choose between tank and something else. The reason you don't Dual tank in EVE is because that means you can't use the slots for anything else, and the other things you can do are just as usefull as your tanking. In Dust, you can often fit reps for shield and armour and still use the other modules you want. And this is on top of in built reppers (Every suit has shield regen that only takes a few seconds to get you back up to full when you're not being shot at and a lot have armour reps as well). Eve's built in shield reps takes minutes to build the shields back up to full.

The other option is make the modules more costly in terms of PG and CPU so that you can't fit both on the same suit.

Uhhh...
I was just pointing out that the triage variant of hives is made by Allotek.

I wasn't saying that nanohives are Gallente tech.

When you word it like that then the problem sounds more like a lack of content than a need to alter CPU/PG. If they stick with traditional themes then passive mods for damage, speed, and fitting mods all go in low slots which allow shield tanks to have overall better performance but little ability to do anything different. Then your high slots typically give you the ability to do active modules that have greatly improved abilities but (for dust) would have limited duration.

The problem is that the is not evident in dust. The only thing high slots are useful for are damage, shield, and (with 1.8 scouts) precision mods. Where are lows are good for armor plates, passive armor repair, shield mods, fitting improvement, passive scanning, biotics, ect. To be honest I think the whole organization of that needs to be redone from the ground up.

My idea:

Highs:
Active damage mods
Active speed boosts
Active scan mods that greatly enhance passive scan precision/range for a short period of time
Profile dampeners
Shield modules

Lows:
Armor plates/reppers
CPU/PG upgrades
Passive scan precision/range enhancers
Passive damage amps
Passive speed boosts

Now having the option for all those active modules means the module wheel will be pretty cluttered for infantry so I would remove weapon selection from it and just have people use the button so that the module wheel is just for equipment and active modules. Then if Dust ever goes to PS4 you could make use of that touch pad on the controller too like in KIll Zone.

Conclusion: You now have fulling meaningful high slots and low slots that make sense. Ex: Gallente are armor tanks and use active modules to get up close to their prey to unleash their powerful CQC weapons while the Caldari use shields and have better consistent performance to keep their enemies at a distance where their weapons are most effective.

Sounds like a great reason to stack armor/reps and damage mods then setup camp on a stack of hives.

-When bar is at full resistance, hive cluster are expended at 'high' rate as energizer and suit capacitors are experiencing harmonic resonance which is overheating the cells of the deployed energizer (a sound indication to move out of energizer field is provided)

Nah. I'd prefer the Caldari or Minmatar get some type of consumable mobile equipment, mobile like the Scanner or Cloak, that boosts their shields or harden them. A immobile tool such as a nanohive is stupid for shield tanking since shield tanking emphasizes mobility.

instead of altering what we have id like to see the introduction of shield regulation field stabilisers or something of the sort.

From a balance standpoint, repair tools and repair modules allow an armor fit additional mobility. A stationary shield energizer counteracts some of the mobility of a shield tanker. Smart teams will understand how to set down networks of hives that their player can run between as supply lines.

Note: This system behaves almost exactly as the Biotic Gas Cloud from Mass Effect 2. Moving or temporarily standing in the energizer cloud improves the potential of your powers and shield, but loitering too long is hazardous for your health.

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Addendum:

Alright, we can still have armor repair hives; however I am going to argue that they give much less armor per cluster.

Consider the following. What if the kinetic energy of the nanite clusters of all hive types (going about their business of producing ammo, grenades, AND some armor) stimulated the oscillation of magnets within the dropsuit itself. This would also include energizing and improving the efficiency of various modules within the suit such as repair modules, damage mods, profile dampening, etc. In this case, suit energizing speed would be tied to the percentage of ammo or armor supplied with each cluster of construction swarms are working at a more frenzied rate. Higher resupply rate equals greater kinetic energy which translates to greater electric potential.

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Please correct me if I am wrong; it feel as though a major disparity between the shields and armor balance conundrum is the disparity in repair tools. I am suggestion that repair nanohives be converted to the role of shield energizers providing a buff to recharge delay and shield resistance (not shield repair), making repair hive placement crucial as mobile infantry move through hive field to either kick start their shields as they move to the next point or briefly wait to boost the resistance factor of their shields.

Methods Described:

Infantry runs through
-Running through energizer will moderately decrease recharge delay.

Infantry Waits at Energizer
-Standing in energizer field will strongly decrease recharge delay.
-Standing in energizer field uses hive clusters to boost resistance factor of shields (resistance factor to be determined)
-Standing in energizer field uses same hive cluster to boost efficiency factors of suit modules (efficiency factor n/a)
-Shield Resistance Energy appears as secondary 'stamina' bar.
-The Resistance Bar is always in a state of depletion expect when standing in the hive bubble.
-When bar is at full resistance, hive cluster are expended at 'high' rate as energizer and suit capacitors are experiencing harmonic resonance which is overheating the cells of the deployed energizer (a sound indication to move out of energizer field is provided)
-When outside the hive bubble the resistance bar decreases at a speed proportional to the amount of shield being energized. High Shield hp, Faster Resistance Depletion. Low Shield hp, Slower Resistance Depletion.

Thank you for reading this points. I look forward to your input.

Was going to argue against you but that actually makes perfect sense but just like IWS said it doesn't make sense in the lore. o.O So because shield-nanohives aren't possible at all w/o the Jove I'm still going for my idea.

What if the kinetic energy of the nanite clusters of all hive types (going about their business of producing ammo, grenades, AND some armor) stimulated the oscillation of magnetic rotors within the dropsuit itself.

Why not make ammo hives have a +20% recharge and shield delay reduction rate and triage nanohives a 20% armour repair rate

Alright. I would be fine with removing the Wiyrkomi Triage hive and simply leaving the Allotek (armor/ammo), a Gallente design.
Any more feedback on increasing module efficiency with a stamina mechanic that is built up by standing in the bubble?

Really people?
1.8 recharge rates:
Caldari heavy: 30hp/s
Caldari scout: 50hp/s
Most likely caldari assault recharge rate: 40hp/s <--- Allotek Hive right there


Stop QQ'ing, even with how shields are right now my Caldari Assault is a perfectly capable suit.
You just need to stop thinking like an armor tanker and start thinking like a shield tanker.

Personally I think triage hives need a "minimum distance" to get rid of huge stacks. If too close it should simply not let you deploy them.

I love my triage hives. This thread is the work of Satan.

I love my triage hives. This thread is the work of Satan.