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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.26 05:53:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:66 hp is one RR shot or one TAC shot. Idk... I don't want to be a bother, and I don't want you to have to write a novel, but could you explain maybe in a theoretical example. I just don't see the benefit vs the faster ttk on such a small clipped weapon.
It may seem like this on paper. It is a different story in the field. Give it a try.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2014.01.26 05:54:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:[quote=Topher Mellen] 66 HP> 5% damage Okay, this might be a fundamental misunderstanding then. So is HP completely king? should I be looking at my HP as my primary resource?
It's a delicate balance. Hence the specific build.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2014.01.26 05:56:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:[quote=Topher Mellen] 66 HP> 5% damage Okay, this might be a fundamental misunderstanding then. So is HP completely king? should I be looking at my HP as my primary resource? It's a delicate balance. Hence the specific build.
And this even will vary some to accommodate individual playstyles.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 05:57:00 -
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This might be a good place to ask this. A lot of medium frame fits I have seen are dual tanked. Is this just a feature of the medium suits? |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:06:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:This might be a good place to ask this. A lot of medium frame fits I have seen are dual tanked. Is this just a feature of the medium suits?
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:08:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
Okay very cool. Are there any viable pure armor tank fits? |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1059
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:12:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
Okay very cool. Are there any viable pure armor tank fits?
Not really. I usually run my assault G/1-series with two DMs but at proto I think it is best to stick with the single extender.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:24:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
Okay very cool. Are there any viable pure armor tank fits? Not really. I usually run my assault G/1-series with two DMs but at proto I think it is best to stick with the single extender.
You've been super helpful, would you mind looking at my skills and giving me some ideas with what I've got going?
Dropsuit Command Dropsuit Command III Gallente Medium Dropsuits V
Dropsuit Upgrades Dropsuit Upgrades II Dropsuit Armor Upgrades II Armor Plating III Armor Repair Systems V Dropsuit Shield Upgrades II Shield Extension III Dropsuit Core Upgrades IV Dropsuit Electronics IV Dropsuit Engineering IV Nanocircuitry II
Weaponry Weaponry III Explosives I Handheld Weapons Upgrades V Light Weapon Operation IV Assault Rifle Operation V Assault Rifle Proficiency I Assault Rifle Sharpshooter II Sidearm Operation V Scrambler Pistol V Scrambler Pistol Proficiency IV Scrambler Pistol Ammo Capacity V
That's all I've got skill wise.
I think what my plan is as follows: max out base fitting skills max out assault rifle fitting skills (light weapons V, assault rifle proficiency V, and assault rifle fitting optimization V) if (1.8 === released) { max out ion pistol fitting skills (ion pistol V, pistol proficiency V, and ion pistol fitting optimization V) } else{ cry } Armor Plates V Gallente Assault V |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1059
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:00:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
Okay very cool. Are there any viable pure armor tank fits? Not really. I usually run my assault G/1-series with two DMs but at proto I think it is best to stick with the single extender. You've been super helpful, would you mind looking at my skills and giving me some ideas with what I've got going? Dropsuit CommandDropsuit Command III Gallente Medium Dropsuits V Dropsuit UpgradesDropsuit Upgrades II Dropsuit Armor Upgrades II Armor Plating III Armor Repair Systems V Dropsuit Shield Upgrades II Shield Extension III Dropsuit Core Upgrades IV Dropsuit Electronics IV Dropsuit Engineering IV Nanocircuitry II WeaponryWeaponry III Explosives I Handheld Weapons Upgrades V Light Weapon Operation IV Assault Rifle Operation V Assault Rifle Proficiency I Assault Rifle Sharpshooter II Sidearm Operation V Scrambler Pistol V Scrambler Pistol Proficiency IV Scrambler Pistol Ammo Capacity V That's all I've got skill wise. I think what my plan is as follows: max out base fitting skills max out assault rifle fitting skills (light weapons V, assault rifle proficiency V, and assault rifle fitting optimization V) if (1.8 === released) { max out ion pistol fitting skills (ion pistol V, pistol proficiency V, and ion pistol fitting optimization V) } else{ cry } Armor Plates V Gallente Assault V
I've been in game. I'll take a look at it during down time.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:08:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
I've been in game. I'll take a look at it during down time.
Not a problem, thanks for the help =) |
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
506
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:35:00 -
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Lol glu is hardest weapon to use. Dmg mods wont help that.
Literaly there is not a harder weapon in this game to use than the glu.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:41:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol glu is hardest weapon to use. Dmg mods wont help that.
Literaly there is not a harder weapon in this game to use than the glu. ... dang it... |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1060
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:47:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
You mean brick tanked? People go through stages, brick tanking is one of them. A lot of of Caldari will brick tank, out of some king of perceived imbalance between shields and armor. Most of them just simply do not know how to play the style shield tanking was designed to achieve (a low HP fast regen type of play). I run pure shield builds on my Caldari Alt and I don't seem to have a problem.
Okay very cool. Are there any viable pure armor tank fits? Not really. I usually run my assault G/1-series with two DMs but at proto I think it is best to stick with the single extender. You've been super helpful, would you mind looking at my skills and giving me some ideas with what I've got going? Dropsuit CommandDropsuit Command III *Gallente Medium Dropsuits V (ouch, that sucks bro, but maybe it'll be made viable in 1.8, who knows) [get in to racial suits ASAP] Dropsuit UpgradesDropsuit Upgrades II *Dropsuit Armor Upgrades II (extra armor per Lv, this is very important) *Armor Plating III (extra armor per mod, also important) Armor Repair Systems V Dropsuit Shield Upgrades II (while not as important as the related armor skill, still very useful Shield Extension III (very important to be able to use complex shield extender - nothing else will do) [skill to Lv 5 ASAP] Dropsuit Core Upgrades IV Dropsuit Electronics IV Dropsuit Engineering IV Nanocircuitry II (very important to be able to use the allotek) [skill to Lv 5 ASAP] WeaponryWeaponry III Explosives I Handheld Weapons Upgrades V Light Weapon Operation IV *Assault Rifle Operation V (right now the AR is out classed by every other assault type weapon, this may change in 1.8) *Assault Rifle Proficiency I (it is very important to have at least Lv 3, but Lv 4 is preferable. Wouldnt recommend skilling Lv 5 until much later on) Assault Rifle Sharpshooter II Sidearm Operation V *Scrambler Pistol V (Lv 5 was probably not the best investment you could have made) *Scrambler Pistol Proficiency IV (that is fine for now. Focus on other stuff) *Scrambler Pistol Ammo Capacity V (Lv 5 was probably not the best investment you could have made) That's all I've got skill wise. I think what my plan is as follows: max out base fitting skills *max out assault rifle fitting skills (light weapons V, assault rifle proficiency V, and assault rifle fitting optimization V) [this is a terrible idea, see reasons above] if (1.8 === released) { *max out ion pistol fitting skills (ion pistol V, pistol proficiency V, and ion pistol fitting optimization V) [again, this is a terrible idea. Also read my analysis of the Ion pistol first, found here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138138] } else{ cry } *Armor Plates V (should be a priorety over maxing out your weapon's skills) *Gallente Assault V should be a priorety over maxing out your weapon's skills)
Hope that helped you out some.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:56:00 -
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Gal(lente) dang it. I just wanted the one Gallente sidearm. =( |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
520
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:40:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I'd drop the GLU for any other rifle.
I'd also drop a complex dmg mod for a complex extender so you can have some buffer for your armour to rep.
Better yet, drop a plate for a enhanced or complex rep, and leave the dmg mods where they are.
Edit:didn't see you already had 2 reps. Forget the last part. So your only suggestion would be to switch the rifle I'm using?
Yepp the gallente rifles are underperforming compared with the other racial rifles
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1718
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:50:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Gal(lente) dang it. I just wanted the one Gallente sidearm. =(
That sidearm is terrible. The best sidearm is the magsec smg or the scrambler. Best DPS and longest range side arms because you know CCP can't balance range.
Armor and Shields are not the same!
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
506
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:58:00 -
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The duvolle underperforms where?
heres what my fit is for fw:
3x cmplx dmg mods 2x cmplx armor plates 2x enhncd armor reps 1 scrambler pistol M1 locus Duvolle or boundless cr Compact nano hive
Scrambler rifles are greatt, but they require cpu/pg compromise so I never use them.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1718
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:05:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:The duvolle underperforms where?
heres what my fit is for fw:
3x cmplx dmg mods 2x cmplx armor plates 2x enhncd armor reps 1 scrambler pistol M1 locus Duvolle or boundless cr Compact nano hive
Scrambler rifles are greatt, but they require cpu/pg compromise so I never use them.
lower range for no benefit. CR = slightly longer range and more DPS. ACR = longer range for same dps RR = longer range for the same DPS and best hipfire accuracy ARR = longer range for higher DPS and better hipfire (wtf?) AR = same dps, in some cases lower, for worse hipfire accuracy and worse range at no given benefit.
Armor and Shields are not the same!
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
506
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:12:00 -
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Ar hip fire lacks?
News to me. Same for ar dps. Definitely didnt notice ar dps loss in cqc.
not huge on rail rifles simply because they are to easy and they ruin players.
You dont want to rely solely on range and dps in this game. It will lower your skill level. Before you know it you will be a full time tank driver, and not by choice.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1718
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:19:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Ar hip fire lacks?
News to me. Same for ar dps. Definitely didnt notice ar dps loss in cqc.
not huge on rail rifles simply because they are to easy and they ruin players.
You dont want to rely solely on range and dps in this game. It will lower your skill level. Before you know it you will be a full time tank driver, and not by choice.
The new rifles have better hipfire than the AR but longer range. As for CQC the other rifles perform just as well as the AR but also perform exceptionally well in long range.
Armor and Shields are not the same!
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
223
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Hi everyone! This was my original thread a couple of months ago. Here's my new fit: Gallente Medium Frame gk.0Light Weapon
- GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle
Sidearm WeaponHighs
- Complex Light Damage Modifier
- Complex Light Damage Modifier
- Complex Light Damage Modifier
Lows
- Complex Armor Repairer
- Enhanced Armor Plates
- Enhanced Armor Plates
- Enhanced Armor Plates
GrenadeEquipmentCPU: 370/374PG: 73/75I'm still not doing as well as I'd like to in matches. Any advice on improving the fit? Thanks. Change one damage mod with a shield mod. You can tank grenades better and you are harder to kill using anti armor weapons. Damage mods have a stacking penalty, so that third damage mod gives you around 5% extra damage. I would switch a single plate for another repper. Use a standard sidearm so you can fit a better nanohive. Normal hives are bleh, K-2 and above is required.
After stacking, that third dmg mod is not worth the cpu/pg. save some cpu, go shield extender,and use the buffer.e
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 15:17:00 -
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After looking at my stats I realize how useful 66 points of shields is. I'll probably be picking up Shield Extenders V before Armor Plates V. |
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