DUST Search - A fair adjustment for reviving rules

Komodo Jones wrote:

We've all been picked up in the middle of the street by a blueberry that wanted his points and then immediately got shot back down, personally I don't care how many times this happens to me but some people do.

So here's a way to make adjustments that doesn't punish anyone and rewards people for a successful revive, using equipment description as an excuse to justify it.

The nanite injector states that when it's administered, the body enters "first-phase resuscitation (defined as 'minimum-essential combat functionality')" during this state, and this remains true for the player, the clone body is acting on instinct and limited combat information, and therefore, I don't think it's fair to punish a body that's just awoken from the grave with not being a functional soldier and getting killed with such a disadvantage as the situations most of us find ourselves in.

Furthermore, the blueberry doing the reviving shouldn't receive any points for the revive until the other soldier gets enough time to gain his bearing, no points should be awarded unless the player has been alive for a set amount of time, say 3 to 5 seconds. Also, using the logic mentioned before, the player getting revived should not receive a death within that same time frame, once the player receives his points, a death can be attained again. It won't prevent people from running out to pick you up but it won't hurt you to have this happen and it won't help them unless they actually try to finish the job.

As for those on the opposing team getting kills, I think a redefinition is in order, you should receive the same 50 points for an "enemy down" and an extra 5 points for rendering the body "terminated". So you can still buff your KDR and get your points, it just adds a window for other players to reduce frustration.

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Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 357	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote We've all been picked up in the middle of the street by a blueberry that wanted his points and then immediately got shot back down, personally I don't care how many times this happens to me but some people do. So here's a way to make adjustments that doesn't punish anyone and rewards people for a successful revive, using equipment description as an excuse to justify it. The nanite injector states that when it's administered, the body enters "first-phase resuscitation (defined as 'minimum-essential combat functionality')" during this state, and this remains true for the player, the clone body is acting on instinct and limited combat information, and therefore, I don't think it's fair to punish a body that's just awoken from the grave with not being a functional soldier and getting killed with such a disadvantage as the situations most of us find ourselves in. Furthermore, the blueberry doing the reviving shouldn't receive any points for the revive until the other soldier gets enough time to gain his bearing, no points should be awarded unless the player has been alive for a set amount of time, say 3 to 5 seconds. Also, using the logic mentioned before, the player getting revived should not receive a death within that same time frame, once the player receives his points, a death can be attained again. It won't prevent people from running out to pick you up but it won't hurt you to have this happen and it won't help them unless they actually try to finish the job. As for those on the opposing team getting kills, I think a redefinition is in order, you should receive the same 50 points for an "enemy down" and an extra 5 points for rendering the body "terminated". So you can still buff your KDR and get your points, it just adds a window for other players to reduce frustration. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2350	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:55:00 - [2] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: We've all been picked up in the middle of the street by a blueberry that wanted his points and then immediately got shot back down, personally I don't care how many times this happens to me but some people do. So here's a way to make adjustments that doesn't punish anyone and rewards people for a successful revive, using equipment description as an excuse to justify it. The nanite injector states that when it's administered, the body enters "first-phase resuscitation (defined as 'minimum-essential combat functionality')" during this state, and this remains true for the player, the clone body is acting on instinct and limited combat information, and therefore, I don't think it's fair to punish a body that's just awoken from the grave with not being a functional soldier and getting killed with such a disadvantage as the situations most of us find ourselves in. Furthermore, the blueberry doing the reviving shouldn't receive any points for the revive until the other soldier gets enough time to gain his bearing, no points should be awarded unless the player has been alive for a set amount of time, say 3 to 5 seconds. It won't prevent people from running out to pick you up but it won't hurt you to have this happen and it won't help them unless they actually try to finish the job. 3 seconds and you got a deal, 5 seconds is enough time for a blue to behave like a total div and get them self killed, the ones who run off without heals I couldn't give two fks either way but seen as so many care so much, its clearly an issue that should be addressed. 3 seconds, not 5 please, logis put in enough risk only to get fked or have their efforts wasted by fools. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 359	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:59:00 - [3] - Quote Fair nuff, 3 would probably work in these situations anyway, I suppose time tends to shift when you're getting shot at anyway lol. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 359	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:01:00 - [4] - Quote Btw I made a couple edits to the original post, left out some points This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 105	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:05:00 - [5] - Quote Add an option to 'Refuse Revives' and I doubt anyone will disagree with this post. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 360	Posted - 2014.01.24 15:59:00 - [6] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Add an option to 'Refuse Revives' and I doubt anyone will disagree with this post. I don't see why this shouldn't be in, doesn't make sense for battlefield to allow you to tell a defibrillator "no" but they do it anyway. can probably come up with some excuses to make it work thousands of years in the future lol This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 399	Posted - 2014.01.24 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote These are all great idea, but I have to wonder why they just didn't remove the icon until the person requests for help. There are so many times downed players, myself included, don't want that pick up. -Either the suit did it's job: I ran uplinks and died in my cheap suit, that's ok, I'll come back in my logi for my now deployed team. -I'm in the middle of a firefight and need to deploy elsewhere -There is a sniper right where I am waiting to camp this kill the list I'm sure goes on. Even then, there might be some who really want to save that suit, even if in a firefight. I'll use my better judgement, but it least it shows me I'm needed in that situation instead of their ultra enemy who then comes on these forums and spouts poison on how every logi is a worthless wp *****. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 674	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote Let's start with removing MLT injectors and reducing the WP gain from STD injectors, that will solve most of the problems already. Blueberries will realise that you gain more than WP with a reptool so they even bring a bit of value instead of waiting around with injectors in hand...
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 363	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:13:00 - [9] - Quote lee corwood wrote: These are all great idea, but I have to wonder why they just didn't remove the icon until the person requests for help. There are so many times downed players, myself included, don't want that pick up. -Either the suit did it's job: I ran uplinks and died in my cheap suit, that's ok, I'll come back in my logi for my now deployed team. -I'm in the middle of a firefight and need to deploy elsewhere -There is a sniper right where I am waiting to camp this kill the list I'm sure goes on. Even then, there might be some who really want to save that suit, even if in a firefight. I'll use my better judgement, but it least it shows me I'm needed in that situation instead of their ultra enemy who then comes on these forums and spouts poison on how every logi is a worthless wp *****. Also a fair point, wouldn't mind if this were in the game. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 363	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote RKKR wrote: Let's start with removing MLT injectors and reducing the WP gain from STD injectors, that will solve most of the problems already. Blueberries will realise that you gain more than WP with a reptool so they even bring a bit of value instead of waiting around with injectors in hand... This I gotta disagree with, though it would make sense for more HP gained from injectors to give you more points I can't support limiting the game and peoples' capabilities or punishing everyone that uses injectors just because some people are idiots. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2380	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:19:00 - [11] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Add an option to 'Refuse Revives' and I doubt anyone will disagree with this post. No because the guy getting revived can't see when a logi has cleared the enemies then goes for a revive. Iv been in many scenarios where iv cleared two enemies and gone to revive and healed them in time for me and the revivee to kill others approaching us. The guy on the floor has no idea what's going on, they shouldn't be allowed to make a call based on assumptions. Crap logis will always be crap and leave people jaded. Trust me, people tend to assume the worst, its hard enough being a medic as it is, I and other medics like me do not need that extra bullsht of clearing enemies, then going foir the revive just to wait on some guy to accept it when seconds count and they don't even know what's going on. You'd then have a situation of logis reviving people and getting mown down because they decided to wait it out, they then get mown down. Bigger problem. This is a very common scenario, a real decent medic logi will have a symbiotic relationship with all around him. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 363	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Denn Maell wrote: Add an option to 'Refuse Revives' and I doubt anyone will disagree with this post. No because the guy getting revived can't see when a logi has cleared the enemies then goes for a revive. Iv been in many scenarios where iv cleared two enemies and gone to revive and healed them in time for me and the revivee to kill others approaching us. The guy on the floor has no idea what's going on, they shouldn't be allowed to make a call based on assumptions. Crap logis will always be crap and leave people jaded. Trust me, people tend to assume the worst, its hard enough being a medic as it is, I and other medics like me do not need that extra bullsht of clearing enemies, then going foir the revive just to wait on some guy to accept it when seconds count and they don't even know what's going on. You'd then have a situation of logis reviving people and getting mown down because they decided to wait it out, they then get mown down. Bigger problem. This is a very common scenario, a real decent medic logi will have a symbiotic relationship with all around him. Ooooooh the debate! Good points on both ends! I suppose the revive refusal wouldn't need to be in the game if we implemented the idea that you wouldn't appear as revive-able until you called for help, that way only people who wanted to get back up would get up anyway This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2380	Posted - 2014.01.24 20:30:00 - [13] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Denn Maell wrote: Add an option to 'Refuse Revives' and I doubt anyone will disagree with this post. No because the guy getting revived can't see when a logi has cleared the enemies then goes for a revive. Iv been in many scenarios where iv cleared two enemies and gone to revive and healed them in time for me and the revivee to kill others approaching us. The guy on the floor has no idea what's going on, they shouldn't be allowed to make a call based on assumptions. Crap logis will always be crap and leave people jaded. Trust me, people tend to assume the worst, its hard enough being a medic as it is, I and other medics like me do not need that extra bullsht of clearing enemies, then going foir the revive just to wait on some guy to accept it when seconds count and they don't even know what's going on. You'd then have a situation of logis reviving people and getting mown down because they decided to wait it out, they then get mown down. Bigger problem. This is a very common scenario, a real decent medic logi will have a symbiotic relationship with all around him. Ooooooh the debate! Good points on both ends! I suppose the revive refusal wouldn't need to be in the game if we implemented the idea that you wouldn't appear as revive-able until you called for help, that way only people who wanted to get back up would get up anyway Yes, the appearing revivable if wanted is the middle ground and I like it, it hurts no one and would be smoothly implemented. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 674	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:13:00 - [14] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: RKKR wrote: Let's start with removing MLT injectors and reducing the WP gain from STD injectors, that will solve most of the problems already. Blueberries will realise that you gain more than WP with a reptool so they even bring a bit of value instead of waiting around with injectors in hand... This I gotta disagree with, though it would make sense for more HP gained from injectors to give you more points I can't support limiting the game and peoples' capabilities or punishing everyone that uses injectors just because some people are idiots. Trust me, those idiots are the ones with the MLT crap, how is it limiting? It doesn't take that much of SP to get STD injectors. how is it punishing all injector users? You know the higher injector user get punished now because they risk more ISK and less reward WP-wise, right? They also get deprived by alot of revives bc. they make sure if it's safe to revive while some douche with MLT just rushes to get those +60WP (+ 2 clones are usually lost!) Your idea isn't a bad one and discussed elsewhere, but implementing is trickier, CCP should focus on other things for now, Mine is a good temporary easy fix.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3897	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:34:00 - [15] - Quote How about making it to where you have to call for help to be revived? Profit? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:45:00 - [16] - Quote No. While it would nice if the only revives were good ones, this view totally ignores the newer player. I went logi because of my first starter medic fit and how it was more rewarding to heal someone than just be another killer. I mean, tankers would like it if they didn't have to deal with the things new tankers do, and I would love it if new players wouldn't jump in front of me when I'm shooting, but that is part of the game and they shouldn't take away one of the few other roles besides assault there is for a new player.
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 71	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: We've all been picked up in the middle of the street by a blueberry that wanted his points and then immediately got shot back down, personally I don't care how many times this happens to me but some people do. So here's a way to make adjustments that doesn't punish anyone and rewards people for a successful revive, using equipment description as an excuse to justify it. The nanite injector states that when it's administered, the body enters "first-phase resuscitation (defined as 'minimum-essential combat functionality')" during this state, and this remains true for the player, the clone body is acting on instinct and limited combat information, and therefore, I don't think it's fair to punish a body that's just awoken from the grave with not being a functional soldier and getting killed with such a disadvantage as the situations most of us find ourselves in. Furthermore, the blueberry doing the reviving shouldn't receive any points for the revive until the other soldier gets enough time to gain his bearing, no points should be awarded unless the player has been alive for a set amount of time, say 3 to 5 seconds. Also, using the logic mentioned before, the player getting revived should not receive a death within that same time frame, once the player receives his points, a death can be attained again. It won't prevent people from running out to pick you up but it won't hurt you to have this happen and it won't help them unless they actually try to finish the job. As for those on the opposing team getting kills, I think a redefinition is in order, you should receive the same 50 points for an "enemy down" and an extra 5 points for rendering the body "terminated". So you can still buff your KDR and get your points, it just adds a window for other players to reduce frustration. Honestly, we can already call for medic. Why can't we just not show the locations of teammates bleeding out to medics until they call for medic? There you go, problem solved.
Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 14	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:37:00 - [18] - Quote Just off the top of my head, so probably unworkable.... But in addition to the "Request to revive being the only way to revive" point, i would kind of like an option to "drag" a teammate maybe a few meters before sticking them( "o" to interact, anyone?). Militia injectors are only crap because advanced and proto are better, and firefight revives should be a valid alternative to spawn site swapping because sometimes seconds count. Just let me drag my buddy to cover first please! :3
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 71	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:38:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about making it to where you have to call for help to be revived? Profit? Beat me to it.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2388	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:46:00 - [20] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: No. While it would nice if the only revives were good ones, this view totally ignores the newer player. I went logi because of my first starter medic fit and how it was more rewarding to heal someone than just be another killer. I mean, tankers would like it if they didn't have to deal with the things new tankers do, and I would love it if new players wouldn't jump in front of me when I'm shooting, but that is part of the game and they shouldn't take away one of the few other roles besides assault there is for a new player. This relates to the issue that it's on ccp to make it take longer for fresh mercs to graduate from the academy. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2388	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote Waiyu Ren wrote: Just off the top of my head, so probably unworkable.... But in addition to the "Request to revive being the only way to revive" point, i would kind of like an option to "drag" a teammate maybe a few meters before sticking them( "o" to interact, anyone?). Militia injectors are only crap because advanced and proto are better, and firefight revives should be a valid alternative to spawn site swapping because sometimes seconds count. Just let me drag my buddy to cover first please! :3 This would be quality, its been mentioned and I'm sure you know that as well. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 364	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: No. While it would nice if the only revives were good ones, this view totally ignores the newer player. I went logi because of my first starter medic fit and how it was more rewarding to heal someone than just be another killer. I mean, tankers would like it if they didn't have to deal with the things new tankers do, and I would love it if new players wouldn't jump in front of me when I'm shooting, but that is part of the game and they shouldn't take away one of the few other roles besides assault there is for a new player. This relates to the issue that it's on ccp to make it take longer for fresh mercs to graduate from the academy. Good, bout time. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 364	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:52:00 - [23] - Quote I don't know why dragging bodies hasnt been implemented, would be fun to drag enemy bodies around too :D This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 15	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:57:00 - [24] - Quote Or rig them with an RE....
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 365	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:46:00 - [25] - Quote damn you tech! I didn't even know you were in the match because we were dealing with molon at D the whole time, well played with the butt kicking. lol This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2393	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:08:00 - [26] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: damn you tech! I didn't even know you were in the match because we were dealing with molon at D the whole time, well played with the butt kicking. lol I'm only as good as I can be bothered, it ranges from beast - CBA lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 366	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:32:00 - [27] - Quote We hit a losing streak towards the end of the night, still managed to get over 4000 WP on one of em but damn if it wasn't a beat down.. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 367	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:54:00 - [28] - Quote ANYWHORE! back to business, the dragging bodies concept is interesting, it would be tough to work in but would still be useful. Honestly though I think the biggest problem right now and probably the easiest to fix, is giving players control of their character the moment they're revived, none of this delayed annoyance, that disallowing revival until someone calls for help.There does need to be some buffer between when you get up and when you can be "killed" again though, and if anyone disagrees answer this, why is it that people are more inclined to respawn and lose a suit than wait for someone to revive, almost to the point where it's a race? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2394	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:05:00 - [29] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: ANYWHORE! back to business, the dragging bodies concept is interesting, it would be tough to work in but would still be useful. Honestly though I think the biggest problem right now and probably the easiest to fix, is giving players control of their character the moment they're revived, none of this delayed annoyance, that disallowing revival until someone calls for help.There does need to be some buffer between when you get up and when you can be "killed" again though, and if anyone disagrees answer this, why is it that people are more inclined to respawn and lose a suit than wait for someone to revive, almost to the point where it's a race? I like the idea of the revive symbol showing only when asked for. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic


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