DUST Search - Cloaking vs Everything else

Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:

Its difficult to speculate when a piece of equipment is being added that behaves like no other in the game.
Its also a very VISUAL effect, so any speculation as to its power and effectiveness is completely misguided with the information we have.

I'm running scout like I have always done, so no FOTM for me.
As to changing playstyle for equipment? - Well can any scout honestly say that the lack of ability to hide their health bars has not cost them dozens of suits. Or that enemy vision precision popping them on the TACNET no matter how well dampened they are rendering their bonus completely useless.

Hows this for a simply question - How many scouts do you know willingly play on Manus Peak, with its very limited cover between points? Not many. They're just too exposed.

I think the best analogy we can draw from the cloaks effectiveness is its comparison to stamina usage. It won't allow us to stay hidden indefinitely and no other actions are available, therefore it will be used to cover ground, getting to an ideal position and enable a safer escape once a task is complete. It isn't the goal (the goal is to use equipment or get to a position) the cloak is merely a means to get there and counter repercussions. The inherent gameplay wont change.


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KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3946	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:20:00 - [1] - Quote So , as it is it seems many players are going to blindly get Cloaks and scouts because it seems it will be the new FOTM. It will be the new FOTM, for a little while that is......... The thing is, due to high CPU and PG requirements , a scout suit might be needed. A Scout suit is NOT a med frame, its not a Heavy frame. People are USED to having high HP values, usually 500 or MORE. Are you REALLY going to CHANGE you playstyle for a piece of equipment? This is not sarcastic, its an ACTUAL question. After 1.8 we will have the suits with their bonuses: Heavies Sentinels : High HP / Bonus Defensive Heavies Commandos: Double Light weapon / Bonus Offensive + Reload speed Assaults: Battlefield versatility / Bonus to Modules + Offensive Logis: Equipment Versatility / Bonus to equipment and equipment fitting cost (ALSO HELP THE CLOAK) Scouts: E-war + Speed / Bonus to cloaks and different Scout Strengths enhanced So...People saying logis will be useless forget they still get a 25% reduction in CPU and PG for cloaks,making the new Logis More viable. People Forget the 1 sec reloads the commandos will have plus damage mod Bonuses. Dont forget the 1300+ RoF of Assault Combat rifles and those 25% Armor/Shield module efficiency the GAl/Cal will get, or the 15% resistance that heavy has to your light weapon... Overall , this post is to tllthe story of Royal Distaster, an Alt i had which i gave a friend of mine so he could play dust with a higher SP level character. -He wanted to be a fast assault. He wanted to be able to avoid radars , at least basic ones. -I told him to get Profile dampening to level 5 and then equip a Cx Profile dampener on his med suit to avoid ADV scanners , which are more common.In the case the enmy had proto scanners, he could tank said med frame and have a better chance. -He said he didnt want to equip a profile dampener so he would just tank a scout. -He got Gk.0 scout -He tanked it (around 700+ HP) -He Destroyed in Pub matches (ARound 50-3 in some matches and he only had 8 mill SP, 5 K-D ratio consistency) Until one fateful day.... He played vs an Organized squad. -He Got scanned for the first time (Proto scanner) and he asked me why he got that message, i told him.Bro those are proto scanners, need to drop a Armor plate and equip a Dampener. He refused,.And got owned since every single enemy red knew where he was. He scout wasnt tanked enough to fight straight on with Med frames and not dampened enough to avoid them. NOR had enough into scanning to make the Passive radar work.MEd game he told me ,ok i'll drop an armor plate for the dampener. He the so delicisous ''SCan attempt prevented'' message , but with 120+ HP lost he just wouldnt win more battles! he now had around 550 HP and it wasnt enough for him to win. HE then got, ''You have been scanned'' message again.He looked at me with horror in his eyes.I told him,bro,you can have your Light assault with some radar performance and some dampening, but you'll never be as Profile dampened and E-War effective as TRUE SCOUTS , and wont be as Hard as an Assault nor have their Aggressive advantages (like having enough HP and speed to run from one objective to another)..... After i told him CCP would probably NEVER give out more respecs (He wanted an Assault), he left the game , forever.... Why do i tell you this short story? SPECIALLY if we get a Dropsuit Command respec, DO NOT SPEC into what you think the NEXT FOTM will be. This is NOT a weapon you can level up and just strap on your suit and keep going. This is a Whole new playstyle. The ''Light assaults'' everybody will want to use will work pretty well on pub matches, but wont be that good in PC where people specialize in stuff. Like say, a Gallente Logi with a Proto scanner? (and its 25% precision bonus?)...yeah... then while running butt naked with 400 HP (or less) while being followed by 900+ HP Amarr Gallentes you will regret not having skilled into something else. Cloaks will NOT be a Push to win button. They will be pretty common and they wont help while on cooldown and you have several MEd/Heavy frames behind you. My whole point is. Test stuff. Dont spend YOUR SP in a hurry like i always do and then get stuck with stuff that doesnt work how you thought it would.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3946	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:39:00 - [2] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I think came across a dev post that said that the logi equipment reduction skill wouldn't apply to cloaks. I'd put it in here but unfortunately I don't remember where it was. Read it around 2:00 this morning WOW Seriously? This is actually GOOD IMO.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3946	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:44:00 - [3] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: I think cloaks will be good for runnign from fights, around a corner, then back tracking and letting the chasing enemys run spast you whilst invisable, then shoot them in the back. Well actually, as a Full profile dampened SCOUT, this is the main reason i want it. Sneaking behind 1 enemy and killing him is Easy. Sneaking behind 2+ enemies , killing one of them and then running away is not.This is where cloaks come in IMO. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3951	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:44:00 - [4] - Quote ladwar wrote: don't worry, CCP is making scout ability harder to fit with increasing level. proto scout, lol bonus 75% more cost to adding a cloaking module. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bonus bonus Something given or paid in addition to what is usual or expected https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1730164#post1730164 15% bonus to CPU& PG cost of cloaking field per level. in addition to normal expected stats you expected you have even more cost to fittings. nice going ccp, i caught you, great idea, and place it on the bottom just to sneak it in. love it and should stay this way. I think you got the bonus all wrong. ITs supposed to DECREASE the usage of CPU-PG per level.. To my understanding, then again, having MORE fitting cost wouldnt make any sense. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3951	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:46:00 - [5] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: as a scout I agree completely. I do what I do with 322 ehp(less than a starter fit). it's a completely different playstyle from the med frame game. I do with 204 EHP XD And its my best K-D ratio suit......... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3952	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:50:00 - [6] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: I think came across a dev post that said that the logi equipment reduction skill wouldn't apply to cloaks. I'd put it in here but unfortunately I don't remember where it was. Read it around 2:00 this morning I want confirmation on this. It makes no since that they would do this. If true = Yes it would make sense. Cloaking devices are Scout oriented. Same as Uplinks,Nanohives,repair tools and A.Scanners are Logi Equipment and they get bonus to fitting them plus bonus to their effectiveness while scouts dont >..> GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3953	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:01:00 - [7] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Its difficult to speculate when a piece of equipment is being added that behaves like no other in the game. Its also a very VISUAL effect, so any speculation as to its power and effectiveness is completely misguided with the information we have. I'm running scout like I have always done, so no FOTM for me. As to changing playstyle for equipment? - Well can any scout honestly say that the lack of ability to hide their health bars has not cost them dozens of suits. Or that enemy vision precision popping them on the TACNET no matter how well dampened they are rendering their bonus completely useless. Hows this for a simply question - How many scouts do you know willingly play on Manus Peak, with its very limited cover between points? Not many. They're just too exposed. I think the best analogy we can draw from the cloaks effectiveness is its comparison to stamina usage. It won't allow us to stay hidden indefinitely and no other actions are available, therefore it will be used to cover ground, getting to an ideal position and enable a safer escape once a task is complete. It isn't the goal (the goal is to use equipment or get to a position) the cloak is merely a means to get there and counter repercussions. The inherent gameplay wont change. Well said. And yes i am speculating.... I still think the introduction of the cloak might menace the presence of Med frames if not well balanced..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.