DUST Search - Allow Ground Pounders (GroPos) to travel the universe!

Jadd Hatchen wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Major concerns: 1. If you can use the inter bus system to move goods around new eden without the risk of being ganked, this could be abused by EVE players with DUST alts to ferry high value items around New Eden risk-free. It would break the sandbox.

2. What's to stop an EVE player from accepting your transport contract and dropping you off in the most remote location available, or just logging out in space somewhere with you in their cargo hold?

I really don't think this is all that necessary (I agree with the changes to local though). I expect when the market opens up, there will be a lot of opportunities for high sec hauling of goods from trade hubs/production centers to the DUST stations. Where there's demand in the market, there will be supply to fill it. A lot of DUST mercs have EVE characters, you can expect them to fill up the stations for their Merc and then some to make a profit. Also buy orders will be a useful tool for attracting haulers. If there is large demand for an item, you can be sure there will be people looking to profit from brining it to you.

I admit I had missed that part. But let's assume that the cost to transport your DUST toon along with his equipment in the calculation for distance travelled X volume transported etc will make this style of transportation for the purposes of moving goods around pointlessly expensive.

Nothing to stop them other than if they DO NOT complete the contract as specified within a specified time-liimt, then they default, you get reset to your original starting point and your stuff (which is now the property of the EVE pilot) is replaced by the COLLATERAL that the EVE Pilot had to pay to take on the contract to begin with.

There are NO DIFFERENCES between "DUST stations" and "EVE stations" they are the same exact things. We are already in the same stations. This whole thing with the different markets in different locations *IS* the very reason that we haven't combined the markets yet. Until CCP figures out how DUST toons can travel, we cannot merge the markets.


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Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1385	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:46:00 - [1] - Quote Major concerns: 1. If you can use the inter bus system to move goods around new eden without the risk of being ganked, this could be abused by EVE players with DUST alts to ferry high value items around New Eden risk-free. It would break the sandbox. 2. What's to stop an EVE player from accepting your transport contract and dropping you off in the most remote location available, or just logging out in space somewhere with you in their cargo hold? I really don't think this is all that necessary (I agree with the changes to local though). I expect when the market opens up, there will be a lot of opportunities for high sec hauling of goods from trade hubs/production centers to the DUST stations. Where there's demand in the market, there will be supply to fill it. A lot of DUST mercs have EVE characters, you can expect them to fill up the stations for their Merc and then some to make a profit. Also buy orders will be a useful tool for attracting haulers. If there is large demand for an item, you can be sure there will be people looking to profit from brining it to you. Best PvE idea ever!
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1385	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:46:00 - [2] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Major concerns: 1. If you can use the inter bus system to move goods around new eden without the risk of being ganked, this could be abused by EVE players with DUST alts to ferry high value items around New Eden risk-free. It would break the sandbox. 2. What's to stop an EVE player from accepting your transport contract and dropping you off in the most remote location available, or just logging out in space somewhere with you in their cargo hold? I really don't think this is all that necessary (I agree with the changes to local though). I expect when the market opens up, there will be a lot of opportunities for high sec hauling of goods from trade hubs/production centers to the DUST stations. Where there's demand in the market, there will be supply to fill it. A lot of DUST mercs have EVE characters, you can expect them to fill up the stations for their Merc and then some to make a profit. Also buy orders will be a useful tool for attracting haulers. If there is large demand for an item, you can be sure there will be people looking to profit from brining it to you. I admit I had missed that part. But let's assume that the cost to transport your DUST toon along with his equipment in the calculation for distance travelled X volume transported etc will make this style of transportation for the purposes of moving goods around pointlessly expensive. Nothing to stop them other than if they DO NOT complete the contract as specified within a specified time-liimt, then they default, you get reset to your original starting point and your stuff (which is now the property of the EVE pilot) is replaced by the COLLATERAL that the EVE Pilot had to pay to take on the contract to begin with. There are NO DIFFERENCES between "DUST stations" and "EVE stations" they are the same exact things. We are already in the same stations. This whole thing with the different markets in different locations IS the very reason that we haven't combined the markets yet. Until CCP figures out how DUST toons can travel, we cannot merge the markets. By "DUST stations" I was referring to the stations where we are all living currently (you listed them all in the OP). As to point 1, I don't see how you could make this cost-prohibitive. Many of the most valuable items in EVE take barely any cargo space (e.g. EVE BPOs, PLEX, Blueprints and skill books for super caps, etc.) they are usually transported in fast cloaky CovOps ships and are a big prize for pirates and suicide gankers. I could also see #2 being a major problem. Nobody wants to spend hours locked out of battles because the new fun thing to do in EVE is to maroon mercs for the LOLs (a little trolling is fine, and part of New Eden, but this just opens the door for nonstop harassment and rage quitting). And if you can teleport back after the contract expires, why can't you just teleport around in the first place? It doesn't make any sense. I do think it would be cool if we could physically relocate to other stations, but making it so you are spending a huge amount of your time doing so on a regular basis, just to buy/sell and join the battles you want to play just adds a lot of unnecessary frustration and friction to squadding up and getting in matches. Jadd: "want to squad up?" Vel0: "sure what are you running?" Jadd: "Galente FW." Vel0: "ok, I'm in Amarr space right now, give me 20 to get there." Jadd: "ok." ...20 minutes passes Vel0: "ok, I'm here" Jadd: "one sec, I'll grab you after this match." ...20 minutes passes Jadd: "Hey my boss called and I have to run to work... Sorry. Catch you next time." /logs out Vel0: "...." Vel0 in corp chat: " lfs" Corpmate: "sure, we're in Minmatar FW, come join us" ....rage... Best PvE idea ever!