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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2104	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:07:00 - [1] - Quote The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4108	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:19:00 - [2] - Quote 3 things: 1: give bonuses to basic frames. 2: have the 'special' frames gain these bonuses as well. 3: as T2 gear make specialized suits cost far more, making them a massive isk sink, and premoting basic frame's use. never understood why this wasn't done at the beginning of uprising. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 402	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:35:00 - [3] - Quote Would be much easier if all basic medium and heavy frames were removed.
Alistair Idario Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:38:00 - [4] - Quote I disagree on this one, I feel like basic suits should get no bonuses, but more slots, while specialized suits should get less slots but a higher bonus in ways that are unavailable to basic suits with even with mods. It would give more purpose to specialized class while actually giving a reason to use basic suits as well. At least that's what makes the most sense to me.
pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 245	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:45:00 - [5] - Quote No. You are trying to balance Basic and specialistic. Basics are only a Step to reach the specialistic suit. They are weaker as they are supposed to be...
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 298	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:58:00 - [6] - Quote No. SUCK ON MY BIG BLACK BASIC BLASTER WELCOME TO WORLDofTANKz514 put your seatbelts on, ITs GONNA BE A BUMPY RIDE!!
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1876	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:15:00 - [7] - Quote No, basic should be worse. There basic. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 426	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:32:00 - [8] - Quote they should perform a much more general role. As it stands base frames are simply more expensive assault/heavy/scout suits with no bonuses and a lower skill modifier.
Teilka Darkmist 38	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:39:00 - [9] - Quote The whole point of basic dropsuits is that they are basic, they are a frame to hang modules off, nothing more. The role specific suits are more specialised and are meant to do a certain job on the battlefield, hence the bonuses to specific things. Basic is meant to be a 'jack of all trades' kind of suit with fitting flexibility. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Aszazel Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:50:00 - [10] - Quote I understand that the specialist suits cost less isk because they require more sp to earn, but it just seems wrong if you think about it. Why would a specialist role specific suit cost less than a mass produced cheap suit. Personally, I rather like the look of a LOT of the proto basic suits, wheras the specialists ones are a little less cool.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1645	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:52:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. Or remove them... they are kinda useless. And an obvious SP sink. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Korvin Lomont 489	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:55:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. Or remove them... they are kinda useless. And an obvious SP sink. Sadly I have to agree...they are just a needless SP sink
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 832	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:51:00 - [13] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: No. You are trying to balance Basic and specialistic. Basics are only a Step to reach the specialistic suit. They are weaker as they are supposed to be... +1 to that...
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 321	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:16:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. Basic frames should'not have ANY BONUSES. But cost WAY less ISK. Specialist suits should ost more (like now). and Basic should cost way less. (at least 25% less than specialist frames)
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 191	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:24:00 - [15] - Quote better idea. remove basic frames and be able to spec directly into assault, scout, heavy, and logi and skip the BS prerequisite suit that will never be used
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 943	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:29:00 - [16] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. But it's "basic" and has half the SP cost of Specialization roles. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2292	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:31:00 - [17] - Quote Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? Hail Satan
Korvin Lomont 494	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:33:00 - [18] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? I did pre 1.7 as Swarms were still usefull and I rarely do use a Minmatar medium suit If I need just a bit more health than I have on my scout but 95% of my time I run scout only...
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1498	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:33:00 - [19] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: 3 things: 1: give bonuses to basic frames. 2: have the 'special' frames gain these bonuses as well. 3: as T2 gear make specialized suits cost far more, making them a massive isk sink, and premoting basic frame's use. never understood why this wasn't done at the beginning of uprising. What about logis? We just have to run basic until we can make enough money to help the team, rinse, and repeat? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 358	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:40:00 - [20] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? If you are a forge gunner you desperately need that second high slot.. So yeah.

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1472	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:44:00 - [21] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. Or remove them... they are kinda useless. And an obvious SP sink. Sadly I have to agree...they are just a needless SP sink Agreed about the suits being essentially useless - For the same ISK and a few days of training running the specialized suits is a no-brainer. Also the three levels required in a suit we never use to unlock the suits we do use is flat-out distateful and awkward. Furthurmore it's one of those 'dead' skills that confer no benefit. I would like to see the basic frames be useful, and for that reason agree with Dark Cloud. The basic frame suits should have a single role-oriented bonus that scales with the basic suit skill and carries over to the Specialist suits. The last thing new players need to encounter are meaningless skillpoint sinks that confer no value and are fundmentally illogical - making the basic frames useful will result in more meaningful choices and better gameply for new players. I support SP rollover.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 834	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:46:00 - [22] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: The dark cloud wrote: The light, medium and heavy frames need at least 1 bonus to their suit to stay competetive. -The basic light frames are rendered useless with the upcoming scout role bonuses to cloaks so give them aswell a bonus to something. -basic medium frames dont stand a chance compared to assaults cause at the moment they wouldnt get bonuses to plates/shields and damage output. -heavys are aswell tough cause the resistance is a direct buff to HP and in my opinion the explosive resistance skil should be shared between both. The specialised variant would then have explosive and racial bonus on top. CCP seriously has to consider giving basic frames a bonus. But it's "basic" and has half the SP cost of Specialization roles. You know some people want Cookies and Cream and Milk too
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 340	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:48:00 - [23] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: dent 308 wrote: Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? If you are a forge gunner you desperately need that second high slot.. So yeah. And besides, the current Sentinel skills are useless and it's a huge SP sink just to get one of the high slots moved to low. Even with an HMG, I prefer to just use the basic suits. I'm of the opinion (like others here) that the basic suits should be more flexible than the specialized suits, but not as good at performing a specific role. So far, they've just been a stepping stone. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 430	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:53:00 - [24] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? o7 I have the Gallente basic proto suit, because early on I was getting tired of getting wasted by protos and didn't want to stop at lv.3 before grinding for weeks just to get to the Assault version of the same suit...followed by weeks of grinding to get to proto level. Use it on my sniper/swarm build, where I can utilize three complex damage mods. Aside from that, though, I use the advanced Assault suit for combat (although I've lately just gone with the militia frontline + RE combo that costs me a whopping 1K or so to use) or an advanced scout suit. Add me to those that have mentioned that basic suits should be dirt-cheap compared to their specialized counterparts; right now you're paying MORE to get a suit that does LESS. Honestly, restrict militia gear to a collection of default builds (similar to what they have now, but be able to swap militia weapons/items/etc.) and have basic suits be the low-ISK option. Another option would be to make a level 1 specialized suit equal to a basic proto (you'd obviously have to reduce the slots on the basic suits) to avoid "penalizing" a player for having to go through 3 levels of grinding specialized gear just to be in the same place as they were with the basic gear. Life is killing me.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 430	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:56:00 - [25] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: The last thing new players need to encounter are meaningless skillpoint sinks that confer no value and are fundmentally illogical - making the basic frames useful will result in more meaningful choices and better gameply for new players. I remember the first time I played this game and assigned my initial SP; didn't realize that it'd be a waste of SP to get dropsuit/dropsuit upgrades up to level 5 when everything was unlocked before them. CCP really needs to clean up their skill tree to get rid of useless "skills" that have no reason for existing (currently.) Life is killing me.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4110	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:33:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: 3 things: 1: give bonuses to basic frames. 2: have the 'special' frames gain these bonuses as well. 3: as T2 gear make specialized suits cost far more, making them a massive isk sink, and premoting basic frame's use. never understood why this wasn't done at the beginning of uprising. What about logis? We just have to run basic until we can make enough money to help the team, rinse, and repeat? Basic logi, problem solved EvE style. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2268	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 - [27] - Quote Give all basic vehicles a bonus too Intelligence is OP
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 996	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 - [28] - Quote I'm still surprised we don't have a racial bonus. A bonus that affect absolutely all gear belonging to that race. CCP Saberwing "Vehicles have taken a step in the right direction"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4110	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:03:00 - [29] - Quote Xender17 wrote: I'm still surprised we don't have a racial bonus. A bonus that affect absolutely all gear belonging to that race. They don't want to do that because ' it makes a race the go to for certain weapons' Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:21:00 - [30] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Hands up if you actually use basic frames regularly. Seriously, does anyone use these things? o/ I use them, Minmatar Med basic, level 3 and Amarr Heavy basic, also level 3. They are one of the better values on the tree, as they are, all things considered IMO. I'm actually very leery of these buff/boost/bonus QQ threads, since they all propose changing a consistent stat set that fills the needed niche nicely. Someone called them "stepping stone" suits and that's a great description. Try it, like it? Get the specialist. Don't like it? Try something else, without having put a whole ton of SP in. As far as them being the required unlock before progressing, that's just the grind structure. I don't approve or disagree with it, it just is how it is. You get access to a budget suit, until you get access to the better suit. And once you get the better suit, you can still use the budget one, if you want to. If not, then don't. TL/DR - Basics are BASIC. They aren't broken, they are doing what they're supposed to. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.



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