The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:17:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:they are still bad
I use an advanced Minmatar logi with a proto tool with all level five skills, it is a cash cow. I played in 12+ matches today and only placed under 5th out of 32 in one or two games. This is the norm and not the exception. I pull between 2-3k WP per match with a proto tool, advanced hives and a needle. I like the shield regen because it saves me all the time, the speed allows me to keep up with a running heavy frame without having to unlock and sprint and the tool range and speed combo lets me get to cover quicker - while the shield regen reps me quick - and still have a rep target. I am very happy with my logi suit and I almost always use an advanced suit because it is the most cost effective but still does whatever I want it to do.
I get compliments all the time on my logi skills and it is because of the Minmatar logi suit. It is a good suit and if you use it as intended then it pays for itself in no time. Following a fat suit with a tool will score 2k WP on average and with two heavies sticking together I usually pull closer to 4k. If you change too much on the suit it will be OP because when used as intended it works like new money.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:19:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Those saying "i do well with it, so it doesn't need a buff"
Pubs.
You don't balance off of pubs.
Minmatar assault has EVERY STAT worse than caldari EXCEPT:
15 armor(loses a low slot, thus eliminating a potential 135 HP, or 6 reps)
.4 speed(while it could previously be argued that no other suit can strafe like this, Caldari scout is all i have to say.)
...clip bonus? While i will say it's unique and that i certainly love it, it doesn't fit the "look at me and i die" "combat philosophy" of the Minmatar.
Think of it this way- i have a 78 shot CR. I die by the time i shoot my 5th burst(15 bullets)... Congrats?
Somethin like 20 CPU(this is negated by a lacking of 6-8 PG, which is now forcing the suit to run a PG mod)
End result: must run PG mod in 1 low, natural requirement for large amounts of high slots is a CPU, can't fit Kincats/armor rep/plates because no more lows.
So much for general purpose.
Try fitting an energizer, and you lack the CPU for your other 4 high slots.
Try fitting a NON specialist main weapon, you will NEVER NOT need a CPU again.
Only way to run a fitting even remotely comparable to a Caldari would require Fitting Op 3/4 in both weapons, along with maxed Demolitions(cpu reduction on nades) and many others.
Not being a smart ass but how do you balance something then? Pubs are where most of the players play and if we were balance things off of PC only then everything would be the same because the "top" players only use the most powerful gear. Players want it easy, not good that is why OP items are the go to for PC players. It is because it is the easiest way to win.
Balance is about making easy weapons do less and hard to use weapons do more. Players flock to OP to make it easy. Balance shouldn't only be considered for the top end players. It should come from the entire game. Balance is a difficult thing to accomplish in this game because every one has a different suit with different levels and I don't think some consider this when they come here to complain about something be OP or UP. Yes, there are things out of balance but just because you say it is bad doesn't mean that it is.
It is not any different than me saying that I can make it work and you then you saying it doesn't. I am a bad at FPS games and if I can make it work then it can't be that bad but if you say you're good at FPSs and can't make it work who is right? It comes down to how we use the item and our perception. Also, many players try to stretch their suit too far and try to make it do things it isn't supposed to be able to do. They come here and complain that they can't do this or that because of some limitation unless they have a certain skill at a certain level. It is about choices, I would love to run full proto all the time but my wallet and skills don't support that and I can't complain about that suit because it isn't the suit's fault. I am not pointing a you, I am just making an observation.
When I see this much debate on which suit is the best or the worst it makes me think it is getting to good spot because some players need high DPS while others need speed. It is about choosing the right suit for the job and an individuals play style. I have never, in two years, used any module that adds CPU or PG to a suit, not one single time. Does that mean that someone that does is bad? No, it means we use the suits differently and place value on different things. I think using a resource enhancer is bad in every situation but that doesn't mean that it is.
Again, I am not trying to splork out a bunch of insults or anything like that. I am just saying that in general when an item is used as intended then it usually does it job and personal skill, choices on fitting and SP placement make a big difference with how it performs. Things like communication, teamwork and tactics also play a big role in being a winner or a loser. I can't play solo and do as well as in a squad but some players can and it all comes down to the individual and how the item is used. I am not saying we have perfect balance, far from it but I am saying that other things factor in to how well an item does when used by the masses.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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